Natalee Case Discussion #834 6/4/10 - 6/6/10

[crazybabyborg]

The only reference to a 6 year sentence that I've heard was from Greta's legal panel last night. One of them said that 6 years would be an average expected time served for the extortion in the US.

[Port Valerie]

Maybe he phoned someone while he was out getting coffee. "Something bad happened."  Can't call the Kalpoes. Is it possible that Vander Straaten is acting as father to the family now that Paulus is gone?

[Northern Rose]

LAST MINUTE: Joran van der Sloot arrived in Lima amid tight security (with video)

The alleged murderer of Stephany Flores Lima was brought from Tacna road. Would be taken to the headquarters for the first interrogation Dirincri

The police escort that brought Lima Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the alleged murderer of the young Lima Stephany Flores, from Tacna arrived minutes ago.

Amid tight security, the Interpol-Lima vehicle in which he was swiftly joined the European citizen at the headquarters of the Criminal Investigation Department (Dirincri) of the National Police in Spain Avenue, to start the first interrogation . In this regard it is known that the subject is already denied to the Chilean police have been the murderer of the daughter of businessman and racer Ricardo Flores.

PUBLIC DISCLAIMER
Something rare in shipments of this kind, the police decided to change the car to the 35 kilometer of the Panamericana South. Inhabitants of the place took the opportunity to repudiate they feel towards the main suspect Stephany. In addition to offensive words and a blow to the head of Joran van der Sloot, the incident became older.

What will happen
As it turns out, Van der Sloot, also suspected of murdering a citizen norteramericana in Aruba and pimping in Thailand, faces up to three days in the dungeons of the Dirincri and then be made available to the Peruvian justice. The judge who see the case will decide which prison the Dutchman.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490154/ultimo-minuto-joran-vad-der-sloot-arribo-lima-medio-fuertes-medidas-seguridad

[cecilita]

I want to know WHEN Joran will get his first taste of prison life?? Tonight? Please let it be soon!!

My hinky meter is softly ringing over the 2 cups of coffee he bought. He's a more experienced murderer than before, and I think he probably bought 2 cups to use in his defense.

I also have given some thought to those 2 cups of coffee. I wonder if any was spilled in the room.

where he got the coffe so early? both had a long night why  they will want to drimk coffe, in lima sundays almost every thing is closed

[Port Valerie]

They should check for calls and messages from Lima to Aruba made during that 45-minute coffee break.

[crazybabyborg]

VIDEO: Capture of Joran Van der Sloot in game | RPP NEWS

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-05-captura-de-joran-van-der-sloot-en-videojuego-video_270120.html

This is hilarious.  Did you see "Joran" running?

LOLOL!!! No. I saw him swishing. 

[texasmom]

I emailed Hero Brinkman a few days ago, before Joran was caught to see what his thoughts were on the current events.  I received a very nice response from him.  

In essence:  NOTE, these are my words...not his.

Joran is right where he belongs.  Once he arrives in the Peruvian prison, he will play every card he has in an effort to gain a transfer to far more comfortable accommodations in a prison in the Netherlands.    

My bet is that Joran isn't the only one crapping their pants today, I feel confident that those in Aruba that kept him on "free feet" for the past five years are reaching for the Depends like never before!


Luke 12:2

For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.


Justice for Natalee and Stephany!

[MisGivings]

Life inside a prison in Peru;
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7601717/20170154
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7601761/20170227
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7601787/20170446

[Puzzler]

Okay, I'm sorry to do this, but I don't know how to post pictures here:

Go to post # 190 Yoran's pants are obviously falling off and it looks like he has wet himself (or is all that a shadow). 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106072&page=8

Here you go...

Thanks!  Maybe Klaas can juxtapose this picture of Joran beside the infamous picture of Paulus with his shorts unzipped.  Both picture are so gross...like father...like son!

BUMP

[2NJSons_Mom]

Any thoughts on whether Anita will show up there or for the trial? I think she'll try to work through Netherland connections in hopes of helping, but it will be to no avail. I'm guessing she will kick in money for a lawyer. I don't think she'll show up in person.

Yeah, Carpe, I think the coffee is an orchestrated alibi as well. It's macabre, but I can't help wondering if he ate his breakfast over his latest victim!

I happened to check out RU earlier and noticed someone started a thread on Anita...

unlike Beth, Anita's instincts didn't tell her to be there, or she would have been already.  jmo

[Port Valerie]

What is this about Anita living in a mustard yellow concrete-block house? (Earlier posts.) Did she move? Have they lost the "compound?"

[EURobert]

Dutch NOS article with clear video of Joran's arrival yesterday.

http://tinyurl.com/2bdv7qu

[crazybabyborg]

Thumbs Up, texasmom!

Thanks for all the links, NR and misgivings!

Nut, You're right, Anita's and Beth's instincts are very different! Maybe it's just the difference of running toward the innocent and running away from the guilty.

[Rob]

regarding the two cups of coffee;

Joran has had access to alot of forensic information due to Natalee's case. Way more than the average bear. I would speculate that his knowledge is high, very very high.

I believe this was to confuse the time of death. I would not be surprised to learn that he has placed Stephany's lips to the cup to get her DNA and lip impression.

5 am to 8 am or so, leaves alot of time to plan confusion and muck up a crime scene.

[wingnut]

So, the murderer did dye his hair to evade capture.  It wasn't a fashion statement.  That debunks the refusees who would say that the murderer left Peru for Chile for purely innocent reasons.  It is also PROOF that he knew he would be sought in connection.

[Lifesong]

Van der Sloot serial killer?
Joran 'Van of Death' wait years cell in Peru
Saturday, June 5, 2010
Author:Werner Rommers

Joran 'Van of Death' wait years cell in Peru



Joran van der Sloot (23), the second suspect in the murder of a young woman, this time is probably not as cheap as. The Dutchman was extradited to Peru on Friday, and risks up to 30 years in a cell of Peru's notorious prisons. Werner Rommers

The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot has been playing a game of five years with the Dutch justice, as the prime suspect in the disappearance case of American student Natalee Holloway (18) in Aruba. Although he ever be quoted against an underworld figure confessions, justice has never failed to gather sufficient evidence against him. Joran by experts as a psychopath with a morbid desire for media attention is described travel since the world as a kind of notorious Dutchman.

Brutal murder

Now it seems his luck turned. Late last night he was invited by the Chilean police extradited to Peru as a suspect in the murder of the daughter of a wealthy and influential Peruvian businessman. According to the president of the Peruvian Supreme Court, Javier Villa Stein, is a "brutal murder" for which he is between 25 and 30 years can get cell.

A Dutch aid worker who visited prisons in Peru often said to the Dutch RTL each year sentence in Peru for two counts, "due to overcrowding and heavy military regime." Netherlands also has no extradition treaty with Peru, which Dutch their imprisonment in their homeland can not serve.

Joran new victim, Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez (21), was Wednesday by a hotel employee Joran hotel room in the Peruvian capital Lima found. The woman is probably on the night of Sunday to Monday slain by strangulation or by blows to her head. Her body also showed stab wounds.

Joran was no trace, to the Chilean police, the young Dutchman came on the track, and a veritable manhunt ensued. Friday night, Van der Sloot, who a few days time 3.0000 km away was hit with a police plane back to the Chilean-Peruvian border, from where he is brought to Lima.

Flight taxi

Van der Sloot had two Peruvian brothers $ 500 given to him with their taxi as soon as possible to bring to Chile. She testified later that Joran is acting very nervous the whole trip. "Apparently he was terribly afraid he would get a fair trial Peru," says the Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries. He knew Joran through an underworld figure ever to make confessions to pass on his part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. De Vries said yesterday that he feared that Joran name sooner or later would appear in connection with a crime. It frustrates me that someone who rises first dance, then a new victim. "

Stephany Flores is now buried in Lima. "I hope my daughter is happy now that she knows that this murderer will pay for what he has done," said her father in shambles. About the guilt or innocence of Van der Sloot make it in Peru have few questions, and moreover, the very heavy burden. There are even pictures of the casino, where he met the girl, that shows how together they leave the games hall. Moreover, a hotel worker heard one evening on the two major fights.

Extortion

The mother of Joran van der Sloot responded yesterday "shocked and excited," said her lawyer. Yesterday also became known that Van der Sloot Natalee Holloway's mother tried to 200,000 euros rip. In exchange Joran would tell her where the body of Natalee is found.

Van der Sloot now increasingly the image of serial killer will be other countries concerned. So fear the police in Thailand, where the Dutchman spent a long time, he there also victims. The police there are now several cases reopened.

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=G2Q2R54RT

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Justice is coming in boat loads. His reign of terror is over.

Thanks for this, Carpe.  If true, how interesting that Thailand has now reopened several cases.  I hope we hear more about that.

[Puzzler]

Some interesting items from over there – be sure to read the sentence just before the second set of stars:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106072&page=10
Mohabi Post 22 8


Here is a full, non-googled, non-babblefished translation of the 20/20 video. These are the words of the female reporter you hear in the video:

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"In the first image a seated woman who seems to be protecting herself from the cold is observing van der Sloot requesting his key from the consierge, who approaches to take care of him.

In the second image van der Sloot waits and it is possible to see that behind the door someone is accompanying him.

In the third image the hotel employee appears to be verifying whether there is a message for the dutch man, while his companion remains behind the door.

In the next image the dutch man enters the central hallway of the hotel and Stephanie Flores, who has gathered her hair in a bun, appears behind him. It is the last image of the race car driver Ricardo Flores' daughter.

Three days later, an employee of the hotel, Adelia Abad Rochena, received a call for room 309, where Joran van der Sloot was staying. Then she transferred the call but since nobody was answering, the call returned to the phone central. Forty minutes later, the employee found out that van der Sloot owed 2 days of rent. She then went upstairs to the room, knocked on the door, and heard that the television was on.

It was also established that the night prior to her death Stephanie had won 5,000 dollars FROM THIS FOREIGNER in a poker game. Fact that he had denied. "

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I thought it was worth taking the time to translate it correctly. I don't think I'd join a man in his hotel room to celebrate the fact that I just won 5,000 FROM HIM. (My instinct would have been screaming "DANGER"). I thought it strange that "3 days later" the employee went to the hotel room to collect past due rent, finding the TV on. I thought Stephanie was found the day immediately AFTER the night at the casino?
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[carpe noctem]

Any thoughts on whether Anita will show up there or for the trial? I think she'll try to work through Netherland connections in hopes of helping, but it will be to no avail. I'm guessing she will kick in money for a lawyer. I don't think she'll show up in person.

Yeah, Carpe, I think the coffee is an orchestrated alibi as well. It's macabre, but I can't help wondering if he ate his breakfast over his latest victim!

I happened to check out RU earlier and noticed someone started a thread on Anita...

unlike Beth, Anita's instincts didn't tell her to be there, or she would have been already.  jmo

She chooses to stay home. A place where they celebrate thieves, murderers and rapists.

A place for the ISA Book Club to gather.

Where fat disgusting HAS BEEN Princesses get together for spa baths.

Whilst they stuff themselves on crab cakes...

Slurping down copious amounts of wine...

Talking about how there should be peace the world over...

Professing it; loudly oinking it from their snort holes,

 for all THOSE COUNTRIES and THOSE OTHER PEOPLE.

The ones not as civilized and as enlightened as them.

Meanwhile, their children are beating people to death

with blunt objects in the Aruban streets.

[Slogger]

Stomach contents analysis would tell whether or not she had any coffee and/or bread.  Possibly she didn't drink coffee.  We don't know, yet.

DNA on the cup wouldn't mean anything; but, no coffee/bread in stomach contents would indicate she was dead before he got the items.

[Rob]

Thanks for this, Carpe.  If true, how interesting that Thailand has now reopened several cases.  I hope we hear more about that.

legitimately, cases needs to be reopened and examined wherever he has been in the last 6 years - even before Natalee. And just judging by his passport (and my screen shots of it are old) he has been all over.