Natalee Case Discussion #834 6/4/10 - 6/6/10

[Jerseygirl345]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

I did not see a PURSE or bag of any kind on Stephany as she followed him into the hotel.  Wonder where it is?  She had the money in it.

I was wondering that too.. I had to watch the video 3 times to see if I was missing strap to her purse on her shoulder. I seen nothing- no purse

[crazybabyborg]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Thanks EURobert.

I notice when he leaves with backback and sportsbag? he is wearing dark trousers, jeans maybe - and a colorful striped short sleeved shirt.

When he left the country his drivers said he was wearing shorts and a white shirt.  He must have changed clothes again...in a washroom or something.   All in an attempt IMO to change descriptive clothing in fear of
being identified.  He could not have known, how much time he had to get out of dodge.

Oh must go back and look to see if shoes are shown.

He dyed his hair after he left the hotel. It's still dark in the video as he was leaving.

[crazybabyborg]

Fox News reporting:

People in Peru had a sharma (? sp) ritual, with voodoo dolls and pins against Joran
tee hee

MONKEYJUMPINGJACKS!!! LOL!!!

I know he has a BIG pin in his backside, Klaas......... you are such a detail person!  <grin>

[Lady Devon]

I think Stephany has her head down because she has been drugged. She doesn't walk or move with any animation at all, as if she is in a daze. Joran appears to be in total control of her. JMO

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Things I noted, one, the face of a psychopath knowing what he was going to do, note the way he looked around and the look on his face as he flipped the keys up and turned to walk away. Could almost see excitement there. Also note how Stephany kept her head down the entire time, I am curious about this, fear? shame? what made her keep her head down as if she were sad or something? WHAT did he tell her to get her to the room. Ohhhhh maybe she was going to get the 5,000 she won from him???

[Jerseygirl345]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Thanks EURobert.

I notice when he leaves with backback and sportsbag? he is wearing dark trousers, jeans maybe - and a colorful striped short sleeved shirt.

When he left the country his drivers said he was wearing shorts and a white shirt.  He must have changed clothes again...in a washroom or something.   All in an attempt IMO to change descriptive clothing in fear of
being identified.  He could not have known, how much time he had to get out of dodge.

Oh must go back and look to see if shoes are shown.

He dyed his hair after he left the hotel. It's still dark in the video as he was leaving.

During the course of watching the video for a purse I did see white sneakers on

[pinkbanana]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

I did not see a PURSE or bag of any kind on Stephany as she followed him into the hotel.  Wonder where it is?  She had the money in it.

I was wondering that too.. I had to watch the video 3 times to see if I was missing strap to her purse on her shoulder. I seen nothing- no purse

Hi

Maybe her bag/purse was left in her car??

Maybe she had to use the bathroom and her intention was to leave quick.

Poor girl.

pb

[Jerseygirl345]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

I did not see a PURSE or bag of any kind on Stephany as she followed him into the hotel.  Wonder where it is?  She had the money in it.

I was wondering that too.. I had to watch the video 3 times to see if I was missing strap to her purse on her shoulder. I seen nothing- no purse

Hi

Maybe her bag/purse was left in her car??

Maybe she had to use the bathroom and her intention was to leave quick.

Poor girl.

pb

Yep.. that what it seems to me she had no intentions of staying ..

[can]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Thanks EURobert.

I notice when he leaves with backback and sportsbag? he is wearing dark trousers, jeans maybe - and a colorful striped short sleeved shirt.

When he left the country his drivers said he was wearing shorts and a white shirt.  He must have changed clothes again...in a washroom or something.   All in an attempt IMO to change descriptive clothing in fear of
being identified.  He could not have known, how much time he had to get out of dodge.

Oh must go back and look to see if shoes are shown.

He dyed his hair after he left the hotel. It's still dark in the video as he was leaving.

During the course of watching the video for a purse I did see white sneakers on

Good eye!.  Wearing white shoes going in, or leaving?

I noticed - I think- that Stefany was carrying something in her right hand - it was 'cupped' in her right hand with a strat around her wrist.  When her rightt hand swings back as she is just past the front desk.

[msmarple]

Maybe she carried a small wallet in a pocket. (I can't imagine leaving it in the car.)

BTW, I think in the video, that she is wearing a dark green blouse (as someone noted earlier) and dark pants, possibly jeans. I don't think I can find the article, but that doesn't match a fairly specific description we've seen of what she had on when she was discovered. Seems to be that either "shorts" or "t-shirt" or both were mentioned.

klaas, Red - I'm a little worrried about that front page post re. the baseball bat. I don't think that's the front-runner weapon. (Now, if he had home court advantage, very likely.)

[EURobert]

Joran in the hotel video

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNmw5gH1tqs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNmw5gH1tqs</a>

What a psycopath serial killer looks like when he leaves the crime scene - Joran leaving his room after murdering Stephany

Edited by EURobert

[texasmom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABs7fRnUVkI

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ABs7fRnUVkI&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ABs7fRnUVkI&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

Two revelations "from police" linking Joran to the murder:

When Joran left the hotel on Sunday morning, he told hotel staff "not to go into his room" and "not to bother his girl"...he called Stephany Flores "his girl".

He had changed his clothes, and the clothes he was carrying with him when he was caught were bloody.

Summary of evidence revealed so far:

Video of Joran and Stephany at the Casino where they met.

Video of Joran and Stephany, both entering the hotel and entering his room.

Testimony of employees of the hotel and the casino.

Forensic evidence being analyzed at this time that may also link Joran to the murder.

[pinkbanana]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Thanks EURobert.

I notice when he leaves with backback and sportsbag? he is wearing dark trousers, jeans maybe - and a colorful striped short sleeved shirt.

When he left the country his drivers said he was wearing shorts and a white shirt.  He must have changed clothes again...in a washroom or something.   All in an attempt IMO to change descriptive clothing in fear of
being identified.  He could not have known, how much time he had to get out of dodge.

Oh must go back and look to see if shoes are shown.

He dyed his hair after he left the hotel. It's still dark in the video as he was leaving.

During the course of watching the video for a purse I did see white sneakers on

Good eye!.  Wearing white shoes going in, or leaving?

I noticed - I think- that Stefany was carrying something in her right hand - it was 'cupped' in her right hand with a strat around her wrist.  When her rightt hand swings back as she is just past the front desk.

After watching it 6 times I see something...maybe it's her keys that she is holding.

pb

[can]

I think Stephany has her head down because she has been drugged. She doesn't walk or move with any animation at all, as if she is in a daze. Joran appears to be in total control of her. JMO

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Things I noted, one, the face of a psychopath knowing what he was going to do, note the way he looked around and the look on his face as he flipped the keys up and turned to walk away. Could almost see excitement there. Also note how Stephany kept her head down the entire time, I am curious about this, fear? shame? what made her keep her head down as if she were sad or something? WHAT did he tell her to get her to the room. Ohhhhh maybe she was going to get the 5,000 she won from him???

Lady Devon.  I think she was drugged too! 

Searching - I wonder if he borrowed money from her in the casino, and
told her he had cash at the hotel, to pay her back with. 

It certainly did not look like a friendly encounter in any way.   
I agree he looked almost gleeful as he took the keys.   anticipatory maybe.

Poor Stefany. 

[AZSunny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABs7fRnUVkI

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ABs7fRnUVkI&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ABs7fRnUVkI&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

Two revelations "from police" linking Joran to the murder:

When Joran left the hotel on Sunday morning, he told hotel staff "not to go into his room" and "not to bother his girl"...he called Stephany Flores "his girl".

He had changed his clothes, and the clothes he was carrying with him when he was caught were bloody.

Summary of evidence revealed so far:

Video of Joran and Stephany at the Casino where they met.

Video of Joran and Stephany, both entering the hotel and entering his room.

Testimony of employees of the hotel and the casino.

Forensic evidence being analyzed at this time that may also link Joran to the murder.

I thought he had no luggage when he was caught.  Didn't he tell them he left it in his last hotel room, and he couldn't remember the name of it, or the address? 

[EURobert]

Joran in the hotel video

[YT=200,200]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNmw5gH1tqs[/YT]

What a psycopath serial killer looks like when he leaves the crime scene - Joran leaving his room after murdering Stephany

Edited by EURobert

Where's the manual "How to embed video's of different sources in a SM comment." ?

[Nut44x4]

RE: the video:

I do not see a Do Not Disturb sign on the door as was reported...

He could have gone to a salon to have his hair done? lol.

Notice how close the camera is to his door. I can't clearly read the time stamps on the video of when they entered and when he leaves, but it looks to be hours later and certainly they know if anyone else went in or out of that room, with a camera that close.

Oh...Anita, he is such a gentleman...walking in front of her the whole time...what a pig.

Love the voodoo doll Klaas...lmao

[Northern Rose]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1</a>

[Northern Rose]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1</a>

here is the link.  It seems cleared than the other video

[can]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABs7fRnUVkI

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ABs7fRnUVkI&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ABs7fRnUVkI&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

Two revelations "from police" linking Joran to the murder:

When Joran left the hotel on Sunday morning, he told hotel staff "not to go into his room" and "not to bother his girl"...he called Stephany Flores "his girl".

He had changed his clothes, and the clothes he was carrying with him when he was caught were bloody.

Summary of evidence revealed so far:

Video of Joran and Stephany at the Casino where they met.

Video of Joran and Stephany, both entering the hotel and entering his room.

Testimony of employees of the hotel and the casino.

Forensic evidence being analyzed at this time that may also link Joran to the murder.

Wow texasmom!  He was caught with his bloody clothes!
Hear that Julia???? !!!!!

[Northern Rose]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1</a>

here is the link.  It seems cleared than the other video

I give, forgot the link

http://www.peru.com/noticias/VIDEOS20100605/100549/Otro-video-de-holandes-y-joven-en-habitacion