Natalee Case Discussion #834 6/4/10 - 6/6/10

[msmarple]

Okay, I've got one.

When Joran leaves the hotel, it looks like he's got a back pack and (just) one small valise, maybe a duffle bag. His laptop must have been inside one of these.

The two brothers/taxi drivers said he had a ruck sack and two suitcases. (I'm guessing "ruck sack" = back pack.)

How do we suppose the second "suitcase" materialized?

[Searching]

It makes me sad knowing that we just watched the video of her last moments alive, being led into that room like a sacrificial lamb to slaughter.

[klaasend]

Maybe she carried a small wallet in a pocket. (I can't imagine leaving it in the car.)

BTW, I think in the video, that she is wearing a dark green blouse (as someone noted earlier) and dark pants, possibly jeans. I don't think I can find the article, but that doesn't match a fairly specific description we've seen of what she had on when she was discovered. Seems to be that either "shorts" or "t-shirt" or both were mentioned.

klaas, Red - I'm a little worrried about that front page post re. the baseball bat. I don't think that's the front-runner weapon. (Now, if he had home court advantage, very likely.)

Most of the media outlets are going with the "bat", I think that's why Red decided to go with it. 

[AZSunny]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1</a>

I don't see him talking to anyone on the way out.    I also think what we see on her right wrist is a braclet as they are entering.

[pinkbanana]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/KNmw5gH1tqs&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xd0d0d0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1</a>

here is the link.  It seems cleared than the other video

The woman who is speaking is pointing out how CALM he looks and is as he is walking out the room and by the front desk

POS!!

pb

[cece]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Screen shot of Joran leaving the room:



Joran leaving the hotel:

[klaasend]

Okay, I've got one.

When Joran leaves the hotel, it looks like he's got a back pack and (just) one small valise, maybe a duffle bag. His laptop must have been inside one of these.

The two brothers/taxi drivers said he had a ruck sack and two suitcases. (I'm guessing "ruck sack" = back pack.)

How do we suppose the second "suitcase" materialized?

I believe they drove to Joran's hotel in Stephany's car.  Those are the keys Joran has in his hands walking INTO the hotel with Steph.  When he leaves he has HIS stuff.  He gets in Steph's car and drives it back down to the casino area.  Maybe then she has something in her car he takes.

[EURobert]

Maybe she carried a small wallet in a pocket. (I can't imagine leaving it in the car.)

BTW, I think in the video, that she is wearing a dark green blouse (as someone noted earlier) and dark pants, possibly jeans. I don't think I can find the article, but that doesn't match a fairly specific description we've seen of what she had on when she was discovered. Seems to be that either "shorts" or "t-shirt" or both were mentioned.

klaas, Red - I'm a little worrried about that front page post re. the baseball bat. I don't think that's the front-runner weapon. (Now, if he had home court advantage, very likely.)

Most of the media outlets are going with the "bat", I think that's why Red decided to go with it. 

Tonight in Hart van Nederland TV show they talked about a tennis racket again (which according to the dictionary is 'a type of bat').

[Searching]

Okay, I've got one.

When Joran leaves the hotel, it looks like he's got a back pack and (just) one small valise, maybe a duffle bag. His laptop must have been inside one of these.

The two brothers/taxi drivers said he had a ruck sack and two suitcases. (I'm guessing "ruck sack" = back pack.)

How do we suppose the second "suitcase" materialized?

Maybe was 2 duffel type bags= what they are calling suit cases and he had both in same hand?

[klaasend]

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/68864/2010/06/cctv-shows-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-moments-her-death

[crazybabyborg]

Okay, I've got one.

When Joran leaves the hotel, it looks like he's got a back pack and (just) one small valise, maybe a duffle bag. His laptop must have been inside one of these.

The two brothers/taxi drivers said he had a ruck sack and two suitcases. (I'm guessing "ruck sack" = back pack.)

How do we suppose the second "suitcase" materialized?

Not sure where he got it, but my bet is that it contained his bloody clothes and he dumped it somewhere. The first reports were that he had no luggage with him when he was caught, so there's a conflict there. No salon could possibly have produced the color of his hair. That color is only acheivable when putting store bought blonde dye on dark hair. It comes out that putrid orange crap. Don't ask me how I know that.  <grin> Yes, I ONCE was a teenager! LOL!

[pinkbanana]

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/68864/2010/06/cctv-shows-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-moments-her-death

Ok, 5:33 is the timestamp going in and 8:56 coming.

Was there anyone on his floor that heard screaming or banging? Was there any mention of this? I can't remember.

Thanks

pb

[pinkbanana]

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/68864/2010/06/cctv-shows-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-moments-her-death

Ok, 5:33 is the timestamp going in and 8:56 coming out.

Was there anyone on his floor that heard screaming or banging? Was there any mention of this? I can't remember.

Thanks

pb

Self edited.

[spooky112483]

Fox's phil keating just said he will show the video after this commercial break

[San]

Okay, I've got one.

When Joran leaves the hotel, it looks like he's got a back pack and (just) one small valise, maybe a duffle bag. His laptop must have been inside one of these.

The two brothers/taxi drivers said he had a ruck sack and two suitcases. (I'm guessing "ruck sack" = back pack.)

How do we suppose the second "suitcase" materialized?

I believe they drove to Joran's hotel in Stephany's car.  Those are the keys Joran has in his hands walking INTO the hotel with Steph.  When he leaves he has HIS stuff.  He gets in Steph's car and drives it back down to the casino area.  Maybe then she has something in her car he takes.

Right.  Maybe he put certain things in the one bag.

[Puzzler]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Screen shot of Joran leaving the room:



Joran leaving the hotel:

Did you notice that Joran's leaving in a different colored shirt than when he walked into the room?

[Northern Rose]

Okay, I've got one.

When Joran leaves the hotel, it looks like he's got a back pack and (just) one small valise, maybe a duffle bag. His laptop must have been inside one of these.

The two brothers/taxi drivers said he had a ruck sack and two suitcases. (I'm guessing "ruck sack" = back pack.)

How do we suppose the second "suitcase" materialized?

Not sure where he got it, but my bet is that it contained his bloody clothes and he dumped it somewhere. The first reports were that he had no luggage with him when he was caught, so there's a conflict there. No salon could possibly have produced the color of his hair. That color is only acheivable when putting store bought blonde dye on dark hair. It comes out that putrid orange crap. Don't ask me how I know that.  <grin> Yes, I ONCE was a teenager! LOL!

He had nothing with him when he was caught and told Interpol he can not remember anything from between leaving the casino with Stephany and getting arrested.  I am hoping that Interpol has found his bags by now. 

[crazybabyborg]

I thought I saw a clutch of some sort in her right hand.

[EURobert]

Peru: Joran get fair trial

Peru accused of murder warrants the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot a fair trial. That the Peruvian Interior Minister, Octavio Salazar, has just promised.

Furthermore, the Minister thanked the Chilean authorities for the speedy arrest of the 22-year-old Dutchman Sunday, May 30, 1921-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores killed would have been to Chile and would have fled. The woman who was hit hard Sunday on her head and had a broken neck. Van der Sloot has denied that he killed her.

Casino

The Dutchman has been seen with her in a casino and the hotel where he rented a room. In that room was found the remains of Flores.

Van der Sloot was arrested and is held in a police cell. If he is indicted, the process probably take a year.

http://tinyurl.com/35rv4yt

[San]

Joran in the hotel video

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238/video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

Screen shot of Joran leaving the room:



Joran leaving the hotel:

Did you notice that Joran's leaving in a different colored shirt than when he walked into the room?

Did you also notice him turn the knob to make sure the door was locked.  Just saw it on Fox news.