Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[akmom]

Thanks pdh3.  I thinks there are more victims too.

I worry that there may be victims in Thailand.  Many poor women who have no options in life and no one to worry if they go missing.  I even wonder if he has been involved in snuff films....it makes me sick.....he is a monster.

Makes me sick too.


I am infuriated that he's again blaming his victim for her own murder.....saying he didn't  want to kill her, but she was snooping so she was at fault. Very familiar tactic and so typical of Joran. I hope Stephany's family can make him SHUT THE HELL UP.
I don't believe that story anyway. It's another lie from Joran. But he did manage to get it out there that this girl was somehow at fault. He is beyond despicable.

I have not a doubt in my mind that even if he were to go free, Stephanys family will find a way to hunt him down.  Sorry, and don/t mean to make them sound evil, but I have a feeling, he may very well feel his odds are better in a Peruvian prison......I see no end to this but a bad one.... for Urine.....
   I have to wonder if Stephany may have even been trying to sleuth Urine out....maybe trying to help Natalee, and got caught up in this horror. ...God bless this girl no matter what......I see all of our missing/murdered together looking down on us all....

[Puzzler]

Oh, I get it....
"I did not want to do it," La Republica quoted him (urine) as saying. "The girl intruded into my private life."
Of course he had to kill her after that....Who wouldn't?

Fast forward to urine in prison.....
Guard...What happened?
Fine upstanding Peruvian citizen (in jail for the unthinkable....but not really guilty..wink, nod)
He (urine) bent over to pick up the soap.....I had too.....hehehe)

Blaming it on the victim, Stepany, will not set well with her father.  He blamed everyting on Natalee, too.

[Jo-An]

I thnk Klaasend reported this earlier...

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-07/ontractualidad1093734.html

He was with women in Colombia
By J. Yucra
Joran van der Sloot arrived in Lima on May 14, but a week before he was in Bogota, Colombia, where he went to casinos and surrounded himself with women, some of which have disappeared and are wanted by the police.

"During his stay abroad he stayed in two hotels in Bogotá", published a local newspaper, which tells us that there are several girls who are as non-gotten.

On the other hand, in the next few hours come to Lima, Anita van der Sloot, Joran's mother, from Aruba. On Sunday she spoke with her son, who assured him: "I have not been. I am being accused. I am innocent."

But don/t we know that he was in Aruba on the 10th, because of the extortion plot???

Speaking of that extortion plot.  I heard on Dana's show that there were actually (2) payments made...one case, and one a wire transfer.  Is that true?  Also, I am extremely hopeful that Joran will now realize his life as he knew it is over,and he now has nothing more to hide and really provide info in order to find Natalee.  I'd trade a few less years in a Peruvian jail for the ability to have Beth and the rest of the Holloway family gain closure.  Wouldn't you?

Yes he got $15K cash and $10K via bank transfer (or the other way around, but the total amount was $25,000).

[Puzzler]

A little more then 5 years since we started this journey..

The End.

Not until we bring Natalee home

Correct!

[thirdstrike]

I thnk Klaasend reported this earlier...

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-07/ontractualidad1093734.html

He was with women in Colombia
By J. Yucra
Joran van der Sloot arrived in Lima on May 14, but a week before he was in Bogota, Colombia, where he went to casinos and surrounded himself with women, some of which have disappeared and are wanted by the police.

"During his stay abroad he stayed in two hotels in Bogotá", published a local newspaper, which tells us that there are several girls who are as non-gotten.

On the other hand, in the next few hours come to Lima, Anita van der Sloot, Joran's mother, from Aruba. On Sunday she spoke with her son, who assured him: "I have not been. I am being accused. I am innocent."

But don/t we know that he was in Aruba on the 10th, because of the extortion plot???

Speaking of that extortion plot.  I heard on Dana's show that there were actually (2) payments made...one case, and one a wire transfer.  Is that true?  Also, I am extremely hopeful that Joran will now realize his life as he knew it is over,and he now has nothing more to hide and really provide info in order to find Natalee.  I'd trade a few less years in a Peruvian jail for the ability to have Beth and the rest of the Holloway family gain closure.  Wouldn't you?

Yes he got $15K cash and $10K via bank transfer (or the other way around, but the total amount was $25,000).

Got it.  So, did he provide any info for those payments?  Understanding he was full of sh*t, did he have any reason to believe he was being "stung"?

[Sleuth]

xxx - I heard $10K cash and then the $15K wire transfer also.  I'd definitely give up some years in exchange for information on Natalee's whereabouts.  I don't think hell make it in prison anyway. Rob called him a marshmallow

[akmom]

akmom - I am no longer sure of his exact timeline.  I hope his passport tells all.

Yes, it should although I still cannot figure how he got to Chile without it, unless you do not need it to travel between Peru and Chile, if you are a Dutch citizen

[Puzzler]

He admitted to the crime stating she was using his computer about being involved in NH's death.

Who here buys that as the reason why he killed her?

I mean almost every one would recognize him and would figure that he was the suspect in Natalee's disappearance and death.

What really must have been on his laptop? There must have been damning stuff like trafficking and much more than merely references to NH.

He's lying even while he's confessing....what's new.

He went to get coffee after she was dead.  He knew the cameras were there and set the "coffee" thing up for just in case he was caught.  IMO, she was probably dead within the first 15 -30 minutes of entering Joran's room.

[thirdstrike]

A little more then 5 years since we started this journey..

The End.

Not until we bring Natalee home

Correct!

I hear ya Puzzler.  But, the window is nclosing fast!  If he doesn't provide any usefull info before he gets convicted, we may never know Natalee's resting place, or the circumstances behind her death.  It's all up to him now...

[Sleuth]

xxx - I heard $10K cash and then the $15K wire transfer also.  I'd definitely give up some years in exchange for information on Natalee's whereabouts.  I don't think hell  he'll make it in prison anyway. Rob called him a marshmallow

Sorry for the slip.  That is just where I think he'll go after prison...

[Sleuth]

He admitted to the crime stating she was using his computer about being involved in NH's death.

Who here buys that as the reason why he killed her?

I mean almost every one would recognize him and would figure that he was the suspect in Natalee's disappearance and death.

What really must have been on his laptop? There must have been damning stuff like trafficking and much more than merely references to NH.

He's lying even while he's confessing....what's new.

He went to get coffee after she was dead.  He knew the cameras were there and set the "coffee" thing up for just in case he was caught.  IMO, she was probably dead within the first 15 -30 minutes of entering Joran's room.

Puzzler - didn't the reports say there was coffee on the floor, suggesting that she died after he returned with the coffee?

[thirdstrike]

He admitted to the crime stating she was using his computer about being involved in NH's death.

Who here buys that as the reason why he killed her?

I mean almost every one would recognize him and would figure that he was the suspect in Natalee's disappearance and death.

What really must have been on his laptop? There must have been damning stuff like trafficking and much more than merely references to NH.

He's lying even while he's confessing....what's new.

He went to get coffee after she was dead.  He knew the cameras were there and set the "coffee" thing up for just in case he was caught.  IMO, she was probably dead within the first 15 -30 minutes of entering Joran's room.

Maybe.  But, what's still puzzling me (sorry for the pun) is why no one heard anything in the adjacent rooms?  Here's a woman being beaten to death in the room next to you, but an act that violent doesn't produce any sound?  If I have the TV up too loud in the livingroom my wife yells at me to turn it down.  Again, why no noise (or complainst about it)?  Strange...

[Bearlyhere]

OMG, when I woke up about two hours ago there was nothing on the news.
Just got to work, turned on the computer and it's all over the news!
Every Dutch newssite is mentioning it!
I think, no know, that he confessed to get a deal out of it.
But still, a confession is a confession (for now).
Very curious to see how this will unfold.

He better tell Tacopina, he is still looking for that third person.

[thirdstrike]

xxx - I heard $10K cash and then the $15K wire transfer also.  I'd definitely give up some years in exchange for information on Natalee's whereabouts.  I don't think hell  he'll make it in prison anyway. Rob called him a marshmallow

Sorry for the slip.  That is just where I think he'll go after prison...

And it won't take long for him to get there Sleuth.  He'll be little more than a receptcale in Prison anyway.  Once one of those Peruvian Gang leaders decide they want his head in their mantle, he'll be ordered dead and that'll be that.  Again, dead within 12 months.  If he's a "marshmallow" as Rob says, maybe it'll be 6 months before the Grim Reaper comes calling...

[EURobert]

Tue June 8, 2010, 08:25

"Van der Sloot has been in remission from '
LIMA - With the admission that he has slain Stephany Flores, trying Joran van der Sloot to get his sentence down. That the Peruvian criminal law specialist Mario Amoretti Monday (local time) against Peruvian media said when the police report leaked to the confession.

According to the Peruvian newspaper La República known Van der Sloot Monday at 17.30 Peruvian time, after having systematically denied. He was angry because Stephany Flores in his private life interfered by his laptop on his dark past to have read.
"His strategy is to charge into manslaughter instead of murder. This would he a sentence between six and twenty years get. Of murder would be up to 35 years. And the penalty can be further reduced by the admission. This is more favorable for him unpacked, "said Amoretti against the radio station RPP.
According to the police must find out whether Amoretti Stephany actually booted the laptop at the time that in the supermarket opposite the hotel coffee went out. "And the police must find out what happened to the money they won in the casino and that he disappeared and why the car went off," said Amoretti against RPP.
Van der Sloot would after his departure from the hotel by car from Flores have taken and have parked in another area.

http://tinyurl.com/2a55nh6

[Puzzler]

Kalpoes had better call the FBI at the first light of dawn!!

[EURobert]

Macabre image:

[thirdstrike]

He admitted to the crime stating she was using his computer about being involved in NH's death.

Who here buys that as the reason why he killed her?

I mean almost every one would recognize him and would figure that he was the suspect in Natalee's disappearance and death.

What really must have been on his laptop? There must have been damning stuff like trafficking and much more than merely references to NH.

He's lying even while he's confessing....what's new.

He went to get coffee after she was dead.  He knew the cameras were there and set the "coffee" thing up for just in case he was caught.  IMO, she was probably dead within the first 15 -30 minutes of entering Joran's room.

Puzzler - didn't the reports say there was coffee on the floor, suggesting that she died after he returned with the coffee?

That's what I read as well Sleuth.  I firmly believe in that timeline.  Goes out for (2) cups of coffee, and returns to find her on his comp.  Sets him off, and he kills her.  Not sure he'd smart enough to bhe concerned with playing to the cameras.  if he was, he'd have thought of a better plan then to have both enter, and only him leave...

[Puzzler]

He admitted to the crime stating she was using his computer about being involved in NH's death.

Who here buys that as the reason why he killed her?

I mean almost every one would recognize him and would figure that he was the suspect in Natalee's disappearance and death.

What really must have been on his laptop? There must have been damning stuff like trafficking and much more than merely references to NH.

I`m having a hard time buying it. He said reading about who he was on the Internet, correct?

That`s a stretch.

Ceilita brings up a good point too. If he did it after he came back from getting coffee... he looks a little neat and is wearing the same clothes. What he is accused of ... he`d need a change of outfits, no?

Curly... where did you see that report? I haven`t seen that one yet.

Carpe, no I think he said his private life, meaning his secret files he had kept about Natalee so am hoping we find answers about her as well.

Just on the slight possibility that Stephany was into Joran's secret files, that sure would have been a gutsy move on her part.

[Puzzler]

There it is.

According to police sources, the murderer, during interrogation by more than ten hours, attributed the crime to the anger that caused him to find the girl reviewing the files on your laptop.

It is presumed that she opened her e-mails that the subject had known about his criminal acts. Then the girl confirmed the suspicion in the Internet search engines, where there is abundant information of the crime of Natalee Holloway (17) and the extortion of their parents, in Aruba, facts of which he is the prime suspect.

I still think this story is concocted (by Joran) to minimize his sentence. If he were that concerned with his privacy and info so important that it would cause him to murder - he wouldn't have left it out in plain view while he went out for coffee.  I think it had something to do with money and/or drugs. Wasnt GHP or some other substance found in the victims car??

On an unrelated topic, would you know where I could find the large version of this?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Aruba3021_small.jpg

computer forensics would bear out if that's the truth...if so...would also give a "time".