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« Reply #1500 on: June 08, 2010, 12:41:52 PM »

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-07/ontractualidad1093733.html

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She was killed by reviewing your laptop
By J. Yucra

It is professional poker player and believed to have an ace up his sleeve, but his alibi collapsed like a house of cards. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23) had no other choice but to confess to the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21), whom he met at a casino in Miraflores. "Yes, I killed her. I did, I accept," he said with a breathtaking cold, with no sign of repentance.

According to police sources, the murderer, during interrogation by more than ten hours, attributed the crime to the anger that caused him to find the girl reviewing the files on your laptop.

It is presumed that she opened her e-mails that the subject had known about his criminal acts. Then the girl confirmed the suspicion in the Internet search engines, where there is abundant information of the crime of Natalee Holloway (17) and the extortion of their parents, in Aruba, facts of which he is the prime suspect.

Van der Sloot had confessed his crime minutes after 9 pm last Sunday. After a deep breath and fell silent for long seconds.

Would have revealed that the crime occurred after 8:20 am on Sunday 30 May at the hotel 'Tac' of Miraflores, where they had taken after meeting at the casino 'Atlantic'. Joran had gone to buy bread and coffee for breakfast. She took advantage of his absence to check your laptop and discovered he was a murderer and extortionist.

Punching and racket
"He came back and was enraged. The two began to argue violently. The man shot to death," a police source told.

This version is confirmed by the coffee residue found on the floor and the victim had bruises on various parts of the body.

Also, the summary of autopsy determined that she showed signs of ten punches in the face that broke his nose and mouth, causing a time-to-eye inflammation.

In addition, five blows to the head and neck with a racket head trauma caused her death necessary. She also had bruises on the hands and feet, as they tried to defend himself, but was little he could do to a man over 90 meters tall.


Then, after committing the murder, the stranger kept his belongings in two suitcases and valuables from the victim, as well as jewelry and money, to leave the accommodation.

On the other hand, it was learned that yesterday three Forensic psychologists were gathered for at least five hours with foreign countries.

His public defender, Carla Odría, waived the defense when he heard the confession.

G'day Monkeys.

Still catching up but just a word of warning about taking the translations too literally :

A man 90 metres tall would be about 295 feet tall.  lol

Looking forward to hearing more about the charges against this waste of space.
According to this article, Joran confessed on Sunday.
"Van der Sloot had confessed his crime minutes after 9 pm last Sunday. After a deep breath and fell silent for long seconds."
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« Reply #1501 on: June 08, 2010, 12:43:19 PM »

I hope Nat's remains have been found....but I find it odd that the US media isn't on it if true.....RED CALL TIM!!!

AND THE TECH GUY!!! Keep us up and going..........please???

AMEN!  Can anyone front the server some Zanax so that it is not under stress?

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The only info I can find about finding Natalee's remains has to do with the pic's the couple took underwater last year.....bummer
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« Reply #1502 on: June 08, 2010, 12:43:25 PM »

Whew, finally got approved.  Old poster here returning after many years.

Has anyone seen this article yet?  Or is anyone surprised by it?

Not sure of it's validity, but I wouldn't be one bit surprised.

http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2F

Hopefully this link works.

Translation from the link above.  Thanks, Dragnet!

LIMA - The South American media following the reports about Joran van der Sloot in quick succession.  In Colombia, the police now launched an investigation into the disappearance of two girls from the capital Bogota.  The disappearance coincided with the stay of Joran van der Sloot in Bogota between 6 and May 14

 Van der Sloot is the newspaper on various security monitoring of the major casinos in town. The girls visited the same casinos. Van der Sloot who spent two days in hotels in the Colombian capital.

Peru's La República knew news earlier today reported that the authorities in Aruba, the remains of Natalee Holloway had been found. The Attorney General of the OM in Aruba speaks against those messages, however.

 Last week it was clear that Joran van der Sloot Natalee's mother has tried to extort. He would, upon payment of $ 250,000, where Natalee is buried like to have known.

I thought he left Aruba on May 13th?  How could he have been in Bogota during the days?  Are they talking about 2010, or another year?
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« Reply #1503 on: June 08, 2010, 12:45:49 PM »

Whew, finally got approved.  Old poster here returning after many years.

Has anyone seen this article yet?  Or is anyone surprised by it?

Not sure of it's validity, but I wouldn't be one bit surprised.

http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2F

Hopefully this link works.

Translation from the link above.  Thanks, Dragnet!

LIMA - The South American media following the reports about Joran van der Sloot in quick succession.  In Colombia, the police now launched an investigation into the disappearance of two girls from the capital Bogota.  The disappearance coincided with the stay of Joran van der Sloot in Bogota between 6 and May 14

 Van der Sloot is the newspaper on various security monitoring of the major casinos in town. The girls visited the same casinos. Van der Sloot who spent two days in hotels in the Colombian capital.

Peru's La República knew news earlier today reported that the authorities in Aruba, the remains of Natalee Holloway had been found. The Attorney General of the OM in Aruba speaks against those messages, however.

 Last week it was clear that Joran van der Sloot Natalee's mother has tried to extort. He would, upon payment of $ 250,000, where Natalee is buried like to have known.

I thought he left Aruba on May 13th?  How could he have been in Bogota during the days?  Are they talking about 2010, or another year?

AZSunny - I agree the dates are weird.  I bolded above though where it also says he stayed there for 2 nights (in Bogota, Columbia).
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« Reply #1504 on: June 08, 2010, 12:47:08 PM »

sorry...that didn't look right...the laughing smiley was to do with the Zanax joke..not what I posted below it

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« Reply #1505 on: June 08, 2010, 01:03:17 PM »

http://peru21.pe/impresa/
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« Reply #1506 on: June 08, 2010, 01:05:16 PM »

Joran van der Sloot confessed to the crime
If it is found that the motive for the murder of Stephany Flores was not stolen, the Dutchman could spend 30 years in prison.

By Ana Briceño

Could not handle the weight of the evidence. The Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, 22, confessed yesterday that killed Flores Stephany Ramirez in Room 309 of the TAC hotel in Miraflores.

According to reliable sources of the Division of Police Homicide Squad, the European university killed between 8:20 am and 9:30 a.m. Sunday May 30, after they passed the night together.

Why murder? According to his statement to the police, argued with Stephany Joran after buying two cups of coffee and bread at the grocery store located across from the hotel. "When he got to the room, he finds it Stephany looking for information on the laptop. It seems she discovers that he is charged with the murder of Natalee Holloway, in 2005, and extort money from their parents, "the source said.

Apparently, Stephany rebuked him for the killing and that infuriated the Dutchman, who began to beat her until he killed her, according to police information. Also, it was learned that since yesterday, Joran Van Der Sloot has a private lawyer, who would have detailed the particulars of the murder.

MOM would come. The stranger managed to communicate by telephone with his mother, Anita Van Der Sloot, who is dedicated to teaching in the Netherlands. In Chile, Joran also spoke to her and told him the charges for which he is accused. Holland Media tried to interview her, but she refused and remained silent. She would arrive in Lima in the coming days to support your child.

Seedless. Although Ricardo Flores, Stephany's father said his daughter would have been doped by the Dutchman to take her to the hotel, the results of biological and toxicological examinations of the Institute of Forensic Medicine have shown otherwise.

"She was not pepeada, but alcohol was found in the analysis," said one doctor. In addition, it was found that was neck was broken by the many blows he suffered with a tennis racket.

He was found bleeding in a muscle near his neck, which was examined by pathology. There was no sperm in the vaginal area of the victim. "I broke the neck and show break in the nose and mouth. She tried to defend at all times, "said the specialist.

I met him. Stephany Van Der Sloot met on Friday 28 May and was to meet with him early on Sunday 30 for a poker tournament at the casino Atlactic City, not knowing that it would be an appointment with death. He never told his friends or his father that day was to play poker and he was going to do with the Dutchman.

Not going to Lurigancho. Meanwhile, the head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), Ruben Rodriguez Rabanal, ruled yesterday that Van der Sloot will be held in the prisons in Lurigancho and San Jorge, as had been speculated.

Lurigancho explained that it is excluded because it is overcrowded and there is a commitment of his administration not to send an inmate more. At San Jorge, meanwhile, inmates are only primary and the Dutchman, who has a background in other countries, is accused of a felony as murder.

There are, 'said Castro-Castro, Piedras Gordas, but also criminal in Canete or Aucayama Carquin in Huaral, because it can be any prison in the Lima region.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/491210/van-der-sloot-no-ira-penal-lurigancho


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« Reply #1507 on: June 08, 2010, 01:05:18 PM »

FYI - NOBODY IS MORE FRUSTRATED THAN ME

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« Reply #1508 on: June 08, 2010, 01:16:11 PM »

Imagine if he is tied to other murders...
That would make me fall out of my chair...
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« Reply #1509 on: June 08, 2010, 01:20:06 PM »

FYI - NOBODY IS MORE FRUSTRATED THAN ME

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thanks Klaas....also please do not post photographs/pictures....just post the links....I think the pictures take a lot of band width (that's what I was told anyway)....I appreciate everything posted....and the tenacity to get something posted....
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« Reply #1510 on: June 08, 2010, 01:20:38 PM »

I doubt his confession is accurate. I believe ALL of his confessions contain some underlying truths and many lies. I dont think the Peruvian officials care that he won't sign his confession. I really think they don't believe all the details either, only parts, and prefer to get him on robbery, thus being able to give him a life sentence. And even if his confession is accepted and they give him a reduced sentence, if, and BIG IF he ever gets out of a Peruvian jail he will be extradicted to the US to stand trial for extortion/fraud.

I just wonder how many Arubans are worried about that laptop and what's on it. And if there is information about Natalee's remains I hope that it would be shared with the US as we all know the information isn't safe with Aruba.

How's your day so far Deepak and Satish? Van Der Straaten?.....
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« Reply #1511 on: June 08, 2010, 01:36:39 PM »

Peru: Dutchman trial could last 12-18 months (criminal)
Radio Netherlands Worldwide - makes segundosEl trial Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who confessed to killing a Peruvian blows in a hotel, could last between 12 and 18 months, ...
 
The trial of the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who confessed to killing a Peruvian blows in a hotel, could last between 12 and 18 months, estimated the criminal defense lawyer Luis Lamas Puccio.

Lamas Puccio told AFP that the confession of the Netherlands aged 22 might shorten the trial that might otherwise have been spread over three years.

"Having recognized its worth, the process will be completely quickly, will be trimmed substantially, this process could be completed in one year and a half years," said Lamas Puccio.

According to the lawyer, Van der Sloot could not qualify for the benefit of reduction of penalty that is recognized by sincere confession.

"The fact that the penalty can be mitigated by what is known as an honest confession is not necessary in this case. According to the Penal Code, the confession is when the offender is sincere to the authorities before a fact that has not yet been discovered , and in this case because the crime was discovered, "the lawyer said.

"I think it is murder, first because there was ferocity, has been beaten to death and there have been cruelty to the body. If they had not given these characteristics could speak of a simple murder," he added.

"The murder is punishable by 15 to 35 years" in Peru, he said.

The Dutchman, who is also related to the disappearance of a U.S. citizen in Aruba five years ago, confessed on Monday before a prosecutor and a defense lawyer killing Stephany Flores, 21, in a hotel in Lima.

A police source said that Van der Sloot confessed to have exploded in anger when Flores took his laptop, which presumably had information regarding the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, 30 May 2005 in Aruba.

Holloway was seen with Van der Sloot and then never heard of it. So far his body has not been located.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/per%C3%BA-juicio-a-holand%C3%A9s-podr%C3%ADa-durar-de-12-a-18-meses-penalista
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« Reply #1512 on: June 08, 2010, 01:37:26 PM »

Article about the 2 Colombian girls that are missing:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/JoranColombia1.jpg
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« Reply #1513 on: June 08, 2010, 01:38:53 PM »

Imagine if he is tied to other murders...
That would make me fall out of my chair...

I wouldn't. No doubt in my mind, ever.
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« Reply #1514 on: June 08, 2010, 01:41:21 PM »

On Tito's facebook (not sure if I already posted this)

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« Reply #1515 on: June 08, 2010, 01:53:51 PM »

Here we go again:

http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F1000%2FNieuws%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F488959%2F2010%2F06%2F08%2FAdvocaat-mogelijk-valse-bekentenis-Joran.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en

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« Reply #1516 on: June 08, 2010, 01:54:34 PM »

Imagine if he is tied to other murders...
That would make me fall out of my chair...

I wouldn't. No doubt in my mind, ever.
me either - he's killed someone else along the line.

I would guess, Thailand, Hong Kong, Venezuela, or the newest - Colombia.
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« Reply #1517 on: June 08, 2010, 02:05:33 PM »

Wow! the jurin cover up machine has slowed doen in 5 years. For Natalee the confession was with drawn in 1-2 hours!

My money is on the evidence. screw whatever jurin says anyway!

aruba really sucks!
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« Reply #1518 on: June 08, 2010, 02:35:29 PM »

Two women missing in Colombia during Van der Sloot stay in that country

The young men were frequent visitors of exclusive casinos. Journalists from the neighboring country are in Lima to follow the case of the Netherlands

Before arriving in Lima on May 14, Dutchman Joran van der Sloot was in Colombia where she arrived on 6 May. What did those days in the neighboring country? Same here, visiting amusement arcades.

However, his stay coincided with the disappearance of two Colombian women, who were also frequent visitors of exclusive casinos.

"In those days (the Netherlands) visited amusement arcades in the city of Bogotá, as shown in the video security of premises. We know you were staying in two hotels, so the police started investigations in our country, "Colombian journalists told the Dirincri effective, according to a local newspaper.

In the next few hours will carry out the reconstruction of the crime at the hotel Stephany Flores TAC, where Van der Sloot killed her, he confessed to police last night.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491661/dos-mujeres-desaparecieron-colombia-durante-estadia-van-der-sloot-ese-pais

The reconstruction of the murder of Stephany Flores could be done in the next few hours
During the morning circulated the story that the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot would be brought to the hotel in Miraflores Tac

The possibility that in the next few hours will make the reconstruction of the events on Sunday morning May 30 in room 309 of Tac hotel in Miraflores, alerted local and foreign journalists covering the case.

The men of the press remain outside the headquarters of the Dirincri to the expectation of what will happen Tuesday with Dutchman Joran van der Sloot after he confessed on the eve blows that killed the young Stephany Flores.

According to his statement, Van der Sloot killed the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores because it found on your personal computer information implicating him in the murder of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

After the confession of the crime, the police would carry out the reconstruction of events as part of investigations into the crime that has shaken public opinion and has transcended borders to the background of the now-confessed murderer of Stephany.
http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491602/reconstruccion-homicidio-stephany-flores-podria-realizarse-proximas-horas

At any time could be determined what penalty will be taken Joran van der Sloot

 | CPN RADIO - 08 JUN | At any time could be determined what penalty will be taken Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the alleged murderer of the young Stephany Flores, 21.

According to his statement, Van der Sloot killed the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, because it found on your personal computer information implicating him in the murder of American girl Natalee Holloway.

In the last hours traveling version of the National Penitentiary Institute staff for conditioning a foreign cell in a prison in Lima.

These reports indicate that Joran van der Sloot would be brought to the Miguel Castro Castro Penitentiary, in the district of San Juan de Lurigancho.

In this case, your cell will belong to the so-called flag of prevention in the past housed prisoners for terrorism.
http://www.cpnradio.pe/html/2010/06/08/3/9213.htm

Words kill: x-Van der Slot through their sentences

Joran Van der Sloot, until a few hours ago main suspect in the murder of Stephany Flores, finally broke yesterday afternoon and confessed to police that he killed the girl because she discovered her dark past. Up until now could only guess and speculate on the nature of the personality of the Dutchman, but nothing like the phrases that came from his own mouth by admitting the crime to the police, to see its profile.
"I did not do it. She intruded into my private life

"We reached the hotel, we were having sex, but first I went to buy breakfast. When I returned she just wanted to leave. She had fetched my things "

"He took my laptop without permission and learned through photos and videos that I was involved in a murder in Aruba"

"He had no right. I went, I was scared, we discussed and tried to escape. I took the neck and hit her ... "

At this point, the young "graphic" this description of the right hand extended with four fingers together and thumbs up, like a karate chop in the neck, says the newspaper La Republica.

But that's not all, during the trip he took land from Tacna to the capital was to open dialogue with Interpol agents and attempted to escort him in charge of confusing to say "I have not killed anyone. If you want the murderer looking at the hotel "

Police sources also noted that Van der Sloot admitted that erupted in anger when he saw the girl checking your laptop, where there were reports in the court granted him freedom in the case of death of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005.
http://www.terra.com.pe/noticias/noticias/act2365615/palabras-que-matan-radiografia-van-der-slot-traves-sus-frases.html
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« Reply #1519 on: June 08, 2010, 02:37:33 PM »

BRAVO ELAINE!!!

Elaine S wrote:
In my opinion, Aruba’s case boiled down to a personality contest. While most never met Beth or Joran, sides were drawn, and somewhere along the way, it wasn’t about justice, it was about who was disliked more- a “poor” 17 year old kid who lied because he was “scared” and yet had the presence of mind to make up a story, a “little” lie, about dropping Natalee at her hotel even before he met her family and friends or a Mother looking for truth.

I remember being glued to the news every night, and becoming infuriated with statements coming out of Aruba… to paraphrase a couple - ”this case will be solved in 48 hours,” “she’s dead, I know, I saw the files.” And, I could only imagine Natalee’s family being on a roller coaster ride like I was. Hope was turned to ashes time and time and time again. Did I like everything Beth did? No! In time did I understand why she did it? Absolutely.

Aruba was Joran’s ballpark; he was the home team. Not so in Peru. The tables were turned, and it appears now that he lost the game. He can’t get angry, not like the way the game’s played, and take his bat and ball and go home!

The excuse is that Beth made him who he is… in my opinion, that’s pure and unadulterated bullshit! The intimation seems to be that because she gave him money, she enabled him to go to Peru and sadly kill a girl – this is beyond bullshit. If you believe that, the same could be said for the infamous night he went to Carlos and Charlie’s… it was Paul’s fault for letting him sneak out of the house, and Anita should never have gone to Holland because if she hadn’t, he wouldn’t have snuck out that night!

For 5 years he’s been enabled by many people along the way to do whatever he wanted to do, and say whatever he wanted to say, whenever he felt like it. And, people made excuses for the “why!” I wonder how many of your children have the luxury of never having had a job, not knowing what it’s like to have responsibilities, but yet – are able to travel from country to country doing whatever it is they feel like doing whenever the mood hits, and if along the way, he or she has to throw somebody under the bus to get more funds, mom, dad, whoever… what the hell, it’s okay, you understand!

I’ve said this for 5 years, and I’ll say it again…. If my daughter disappeared, and the circumstances were as they were with Natalee, you can bet your ass that until I took my last breath, I’d be relentless. And, as someone else said, if I had to sell my soul to the devil, I’d do it gladly!

If Joran had help disappearing Natalee… and, by the way, there’s never been a doubt in my mind that he’s complicit in doing so…. I betcha they’re quivering in their pants just about now.

I never thought the story would end like this…. or maybe it’s only the beginning, and everything will come out.
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