Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[Rob]

I know it's too early to draw any conclusions, and this IS Joran after-all... but some of this stuff doesn't fit.

Stephany was in the room for three hours... what was she doing in there - for three hours??? (if Joran's story is even remotely plausible)

Supposedly, according to her friend, she was a lesbian, struggling with her sexuality. And seems she had her period. I know nothing is out of the realm of possibility, including they had sex (with a condom - no sperm in autopsy report) and then she got her period after sex.

Hard to imagine that she was beating so badly that some of her clothes flew off - as described as being in red panties.

So, Joran may have been staging a crime scene - or - his confession / story / tales - is not all completely spelled out to us.

I've been thinking that Joran spent all that time staging a crime scene, too.  We know he went into a rage.  He would have had to have had some time to settle down and come to terms with what happened...take a shower...make a plan, pack his clothes, go get coffee so it would look like he bought for two, etc.  I think he killed her shortly after entering the room and spent the rest of the time figuring out what to do.  His big hiccup was that his passport was in the hotel safe and he couldn't get it without checking out of the room and then housekeeping would have been in the room right away to clean it up.  He had to figure out what to do and so he said:  "Don't bother my girl". 

yep, the "don't bother my girl" coupled with the do not disturb sign says alot. After-all, he KNEW she was dead. You're right - the passport was the problem and he didn't know how long it would be until she was discovered - so he couldn't take her car far - there would be a BOLO - he was screwed.

[A's Fever]

OMG - Can this all be true?? I just popped in for a minute and then back to work.

Do you think Natalee has been found?  Some kind of a deal to get Joran out of Peru?

[klaasend]

So this is what we have:

Yesterday Joran confessed to killing Stephany in a fit of rage because she saw stuff about Natalee on his laptop (the reason is BS)

Today we are hearing that he may be recanting that confession

Today work filtered out from Aruba that Natalee's body may have been fourn

Now that Aruba is saying that is NOT true

Today, there is a report of 2 girls missing in Colombia that were there at the same time and casino Joran was.  They are saying May 6-14. 

Question:  We thought he left Aruba on May 13th but could he have left Aruba sooner?  Not that I think about it reports were he left Colombia on May 13th.

The extortion thing happened on May 10th in Aruba so Joran was still there then.
So maybe he was in Colombia and just traveled back and forth for the extortion meet up.

He could been in Colombia and returned to Aruba for the day for all we know.

[Rob]

Rob was this a planned trip or a time to get your ass over there trip???

I don't know - we were disconnected. He will be on JVM tonite and another show too.

[Rob]

Angie, Stephany was not raped according to reports - atleast the ones I have seen.

[Blonde]

prolific2 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:11 pm       

Brought over from the DDDR...


Times:

Lawyer: Joran possible false confession
From our reporter Menno van Dongen on June 8 '10, 5:33 p.m., updated June 8 '10, 18:31
Joran van der Sloot at the press conference of the Peruvian police last Saturday. (AP)

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot may have a false confession. According to lawyer Bert de Rooij has his client shortly before he allegedly admitted that he has slain Stephany Flores, called his mother. In that telephone conversation Van der Sloot would have complained that detectives put him under great pressure.

• "Joran van der Sloot admits manslaughter '
"Joran told his mother in tears Monday that he was interrogated fairly barbaric conditions. The police were under him for forcing a confession. His mother was very concerned about, she told me Monday night. Meanwhile I heard through the media that Joran few hours after the conversation with his mother allegedly admitted that he has been killed Flores. Therefore I wonder whether that confession may be false, "says De Rooij. According to international media, Van der Sloot Flores announced his last Sunday in a fit of rage has slain in the Peruvian capital Lima. He would have caught her when she looked into his laptop and discovered that he played a role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. Van der Sloot, the police have told Flores that he has beaten, after which she broke her neck.


That's one of the reasons it's important that it was videotaped...deja-vu again...didn't he say the same thing about being questioned in Aruba? That's where all of the "they were so hard on Joran" came from?

[darleenofalabama]

Hey, has there been any word regarding whether or not that murderer's mother has gotten over there to see him since he confessed, y'all know, to ask him why he lied to mama?

By the way, whatever reason he gave for murdering Stephany is a lie; everybody knows how he lies; however, his "reasons" matter not--it's the confession that counts.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Angie, Stephany was not raped according to reports - atleast the ones I have seen.

 OK.. thanks for the clarification

[SunnyinTX]

A THEORY

Natalee Holloway's remains are suddenly "discovered" in Aruba.

Joran is immediately extradited from Peru to face charges in the Netherlands in regards to the Natalee Holloway case?

Joran is ultimately deemed guilty by a Dutch judge of disposing a body following the accidental/natural death of Natalee Holloway … a misdemeanor under Dutch law?

Joran is sentenced to eight years in a Dutch/Aruban prison which would grant Aruban/Dutch authorities breathing time in regards to charges concerning Stephany Flores murder in Peru and ... the US Attorney's extortion charges in the States. 

Eight years of detainment in the Netherlands ... imply Aruban/Dutch authorities will have no concern that Joran will grow a conscience and reveal the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... expose ALL those who participated in the cover up which has prevented justice for Natalee Holloway from prevailing and forced her family onto a neverending roller coaster ride from H---.

Sometime within that eight year period ... "something bad" could happen which implies a deceased Joran van der Sloot will be deemed no longer a liability by Aruban/Dutch authorities.

+++++

THE THREAT

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 197: There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: “The threat is bigger than the money,” he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.


Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 117: I also find it hard to believe that with all of the press that Natalee’s disapppearance has attracted, there is not one person anywhere who knows what happened to her. I can only surmise that those who do know something are too afraid to come forward. Maybe there would be a price to pay if they tell, a price so high and so threatening that not even the $1,000,000 reward money is enough of an enticement for someone to bring us the truth.

June 7, 2010 1:04 PM
New Search for Natalee Holloway's Body as Joran van der Sloot Questioned in Peru Murder?

Van der Sloot has long been considered the prime suspect in Holloway's death, and now, says Jossy Mansur, editor of the Diario Newspaper in Aruba, police are preparing to launch two new searches on the island in the hopes of locating Holloway's remains.

Mansur told CBS affiliate WIAT that the search will occur "by the bird sanctuary near the hotel" and also at Monserat dam on the island.

Mansur said that Aruban authorities "believe they must have missed something, some kind of evidence" related to Holloway's disappearance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20006938-504083.html

thanks Janet for both posts.....I missed the first one.....and at this point I beleive ANYTHING is possible.

Jossy saying the aruban authorities believe they must have missed something tells me....they KNOW what, where, when and who...now GIVE US NATALEE

[Puzzler]

prolific2 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:11 pm       

Brought over from the DDDR...


Times:

Lawyer: Joran possible false confession
From our reporter Menno van Dongen on June 8 '10, 5:33 p.m., updated June 8 '10, 18:31
Joran van der Sloot at the press conference of the Peruvian police last Saturday. (AP)

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot may have a false confession. According to lawyer Bert de Rooij has his client shortly before he allegedly admitted that he has slain Stephany Flores, called his mother. In that telephone conversation Van der Sloot would have complained that detectives put him under great pressure.

• "Joran van der Sloot admits manslaughter '
"Joran told his mother in tears Monday that he was interrogated fairly barbaric conditions. The police were under him for forcing a confession. His mother was very concerned about, she told me Monday night. Meanwhile I heard through the media that Joran few hours after the conversation with his mother allegedly admitted that he has been killed Flores. Therefore I wonder whether that confession may be false, "says De Rooij. According to international media, Van der Sloot Flores announced his last Sunday in a fit of rage has slain in the Peruvian capital Lima. He would have caught her when she looked into his laptop and discovered that he played a role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. Van der Sloot, the police have told Flores that he has beaten, after which she broke her neck.


That's one of the reasons it's important that it was videotaped...deja-vu again...didn't he say the same thing about being questioned in Aruba? That's where all of the "they were so hard on Joran" came from?

Joran's like a broken record!

That means we can anticipate his moves with confidence.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hey, has there been any word regarding whether or not that murderer's mother has gotten over there to see him since he confessed, y'all know, to ask him why he lied to mama?

By the way, whatever reason he gave for murdering Stephany is a lie; everybody knows how he lies; however, his "reasons" matter not--it's the confession that counts.

 If I were Anita.. and THANK GOD.. I am not.. I'd be damned if I would go visit that punk~ass,, OTHER then to tell him to go to hell.. you made your bed all these years NOW lie in it.. disown him and leave. 
<you still wear that tiara?..lol>

[MisGivings]

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- Joran confessed
- So we are still looking for the real killer

[SunnyinTX]

Rob was this a planned trip or a time to get your ass over there trip???

I don't know - we were disconnected. He will be on JVM tonite and another show too.

thanks Rob....I am not going to speculate...I am going to wait...hell we've wait 5 years....

[klaasend]

Hey, has there been any word regarding whether or not that murderer's mother has gotten over there to see him since he confessed, y'all know, to ask him why he lied to mama?

By the way, whatever reason he gave for murdering Stephany is a lie; everybody knows how he lies; however, his "reasons" matter not--it's the confession that counts.

Sounds like she may be on her way.  Guess she has left Valentijn in charge of nightlife and entertainment.

[Gypsy DD]

So this is what we have:

Yesterday Joran confessed to killing Stephany in a fit of rage because she saw stuff about Natalee on his laptop (the reason is BS)

Today we are hearing that he may be recanting that confession

Today work filtered out from Aruba that Natalee's body may have been fourn

Now that Aruba is saying that is NOT true

Today, there is a report of 2 girls missing in Colombia that were there at the same time and casino Joran was.  They are saying May 6-14. 

Question:  We thought he left Aruba on May 13th but could he have left Aruba sooner?  Not that I think about it reports were he left Colombia on May 13th.

The extortion thing happened on May 10th in Aruba so Joran was still there then.
So maybe he was in Colombia and just traveled back and forth for the extortion meet up.

He could been in Colombia and returned to Aruba for the day for all we know.

I agree..he was getting $10,000.  Well worth a trip back to Aruba for the day.

I also agree he drugged Stephany, took her to the hotel room for sex and to rob her.  He found out he had made a very big mistake because she was gay.   Flew into a rage and killed her.  I think he made up the whole laptop story , because LE was so interested in the laptop.


I don't think he will be extradited to Aruba or the Netherlands.  I think the Dutch have turned their back on him this time and know that Peru LE will get the truth about Natalee out of him if it kills him.  I think they have some very creative ways to get at the truth.

 Aruba is acting fast to cover their tracks.  I also don't think that it was a mistake or coincidence this murder took place on the 5th anniversary of Natalee's kidnapping.  I think he is thumbing his nose at everyone..he is too stupid to know that Peru will not settle for his lies..that Mr Flores wants the truth..and the truth he will have for both Natalee and his daughter Stephany.   

Sporter picked the wrong young lady and the wrong country this time.   I am thinking they will find other info on this computer about women in other areas he has raped, assaulted and murdered.

[cece]

http://peru21.pe/noticia/491784/suspenden-rec...

They suspended the re-enactment because of too many reporters

Also, Anita arrived

He could spend up to 35 years in prison if he planned her murder

But if he is accused of killing her via a violent reaction, he could get less than 5 years. "Pero si es acusado de homicidio por reacción violenta, la pena podría ser menor a cinco años."

[klaasend]

Colombia is really close to Aruba.  Wouldn't take real long to fly there.  I was checking the flights in and out of Aruba.  Check out the name of the aircraft, LOLOL.  Very apropos  (insert laughing emoticon)

[MisGivings]

It seems Mommy has arrived. Has anyone seen anything about this yet?

[Tamikosmom]

If Aruba notified the FBI that Joran was leaving Aruba on May 13th and Interpol can prove he was in Colombia on May 6th, wouldn't that prove that Aruba gave Joran a week to get out of "dodge"?

Klaas

I have a feeling that the Dutch delegation that arrived in Chili lickity split following Joran's detainment was all about damage control ... all about assurance that Joran would not reveal that he had been forewarned about being extradited to the States to face an extortion charge prior to leaving the Netherlands ... all about assurance that Joran would not reveal the truth encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

[SunnyinTX]

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- Joran confessed
- So we are still looking for the real killer

Mis...I just choked on my pretzel.............the little tallywackers hanging beneath the jackets got me!  ROTFLMAO!!