Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[Northern Rose]

Colombia missing women linked to Joran
Tuesday, June 8, 2010 4:41 p.m.

Two young women in the Colombian capital Bogota disappeared when murder suspect Joran van der Sloot was also present there. The two would like Joran, often in exclusive casinos have been.

Writes that the Peruvian newspaper El Comercio. The newspaper noticed the disappearance of the two girls together with Van der Sloot residence in Bogota.

This morning the CNN reported that Joran (22) has announced the Peruvian Stephany Flores Ramirez to the murder.

Under pressure
Bert de Rooij, the Dutch lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, thinks that the murder suspect possibly a false confession under threat has passed.

De Rooij tells RTL News that Van der Sloot confession shortly before he traveled with his mother called. Against it he would have said that he was afraid of barbaric interrogation methods.
Fax
De Rooij has contacted the Dutch embassy in Peru. Fax asking whether the Embassy wants to ensure that Van der Sloot is heard in a humane manner.

According to Van der Sloot's Dutch lawyer, he's confession of Joran has not been confirmed by Peruvian authorities. De Rooij van der Sloot does not represent Peru because he does not speak the language and legal system does not know. Now he stands accused of the murder.

Murder
Van der Sloot would have known that he Stephany in a fit of anger to the murder, after posting in his laptop would have looked. This would make it behind the dark past of Joran came and his involvement in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

According to criminal law specialist Mario Amoretti, he and his confession out of remission.

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Nederland/267700/Vermiste-vrouwen-Colombia-gelinkt-aan-Joran.htm

[MuffyBee]

http://www.wesh.com/news/23826079/detail.html
(video)
Holloway's Dad Hopes This Is 'Last Victim'
Joran Van Der Sloot Confesses To Killing Peruvian Woman, Police Say
June 8, 2010

LIMA, Peru --
Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, long the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of a U.S. teen in Aruba, has confessed to killing a young Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room, a police spokesman said.

Peru's chief police spokesman, Col. Abel Gamarra, told The Associated Press that Van der Sloot admitted under questioning Monday that he killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30.

Several Peruvian media reported that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a rage after learning she had looked up information about his past on his laptop without his permission. They did not name their sources for the information.

The newspaper La Republica said that he tearfully confessed, in the presence of a prosecutor and a state-appointed attorney, to grabbing Flores by the neck and hitting her because she had viewed photos and videos about the Aruba case on his computer while he was out buying coffee.

Gamarra would not provide details of the confession. Nor would the chief of Peru's criminal police, Gen. Cesar Guardia, when the AP reached him by telephone. Guardia said only police director Gen. Miguel Hidalgo could authorize the information to be divulged. Hidalgo's cell phone rang unanswered.

Asked about the Van der Sloot confession, a brother of the victim, Enrique Flores, told the AP "we are not going to make any comment. This is in the hands of the police, of the justice system."

Van der Sloot's confession came on his third full day in Peruvian police custody, on the eve of a planned trip to the hotel in which he was to participate in a reconstruction of the events leading to Flores' slaying, Gamarra said.

Flores, a business student, was found beaten to death, her neck broken, in the 22-year-old Dutchman's hotel room. Police said the two met playing poker at a casino.

Video from hotel security cameras shows the two entering Van der Sloot's hotel room together at 5 a.m. Saturday and Van der Sloot leaving alone four hours later with his bags. Police say Van der Sloot also left the hotel briefly at 8:10 a.m. and returned with two cups of coffee and bread purchased across the street at a supermarket.

Gamarra said the case would now be turned over to prosecutors to present formal charges and Van der Sloot will be assigned to a prison while he awaits trial. Murder convictions carry a maximum of 35 years in prison in Peru and it was not immediately clear if a confession could lead to a reduced sentence.

Van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, then 18, on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba while she was celebrating her high school graduation.

He was arrested twice in the case -- and gave a number of conflicting confessions, some in TV interviews -- but was freed for lack of evidence.

Holloway's father told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Tuesday that Van der Sloot should tell all he knows about the disappearance of his daughter.

"He confessed to this one ... I would like for him to tell everyone what happened" in the earlier case, Dave Holloway said. "Hopefully this is his last victim."

A fixture on true crime shows and in tabloids after Holloway's disappearance, he gained a reputation for lying -- even admitting a penchant for it -- and also exhibited a volatile temper. In one Dutch television interview he threw a glass of wine in a reporter's eyes. In another, he smashed a glass of water against a wall in a fury.

The 6-foot-3 (191-centimeter) -tall Van der Sloot had been held at Peruvian criminal police headquarters since arriving Saturday in a police convoy from Chile, where he was captured on Thursday.

He had crossed into Chile on Monday, nearly a day after leaving the Lima hotel -- five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

Lima's deputy medical investigator, Victor Tejada, told the AP that Flores was killed by blows with a blunt object, probably the tennis racket found in the hotel room.

Guardia told the AP her body was found face down and clothed with no indication of sexual assault.

In video taken of the Dutchman that was broadcast by a TV channel, Peruvian police were seen searching Van der Sloot's belongings in his presence, pulling a laptop, a business-card holder and 15 bills in foreign currency from his backpack.

Chilean police who questioned Van der Sloot earlier said he declared himself innocent of the Lima slaying but acknowledged knowing Flores.

Van der Sloot was represented by a state-appointed lawyer during Saturday's questioning and both a Dutch Embassy official and his U.S.-based attorney told the AP on Sunday that he was seeking to hire his own counsel.

The suspect's father, a former judge and attorney on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba, died in February. Van der Sloot has two brothers.

There were indications Van der Sloot may have been traveling on money gained through extortion.

The day of his arrest in Chile, Van der Sloot was charged in the United States with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for disclosing the location of her body and describing how she died.

U.S. prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred to a Dutch bank account in his name on May 10. He arrived in Peru four days later, his visit coinciding with the runup to a June 2-5 Latin America Poker Tour tournament with a $930,000 prize pool.

Tournament organizers said Van der Sloot did not sign up to participate in the event.

Van der Sloot is an avid gambler and was known to frequent Aruba's casino hotels, one of which was lodging Natalee Holloway.

In a lengthy 2006 interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, Van der Sloot described drinking shots of rum with Holloway, whom he said he met while playing poker at an Aruba casino, then taking her to a beach and leaving her there around 3:30 a.m.

Two years later, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of Van der Sloot saying that after Holloway, drunk, collapsed on the beach while the two were kissing he asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

"I would never murder a girl," he said.

That interview prompted authorities in Aruba to reopen the case, but Van der Sloot later said he made up the whole story and he was not charged.

The crime reporter, Peter de Vries -- the victim of the wine-throwing incident -- reported later in 2008 that Van der Sloot was recruiting Thai women in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Lifesong,

I agree about the Dutch delegation in Chile...was going to post similar but was gun shy....didn't want to get locked out again. 

[SunnyinTX]

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BREAKING NEWS: Has Natalee’s Body Been Found? Or is it Another False Report/Alarm? | Scared Monkeys
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According to the Dutch publication AD.NL Natalee Holloway’s body has been found in Aruba. AD.NL is sourcing Aruban authorities.
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[BUCKSHOT]

If Aruba notified the FBI that Joran was leaving Aruba on May 13th and Interpol can prove he was in Colombia on May 6th, wouldn't that prove that Aruba gave Joran a week to get out of "dodge"?

very interesting

May 10. A hotel room in Aruba and a car were both equipped with videotape equipment so that the crime could be caught on tape.

3 days after Van der Sloot was caught on tape committing the two planned crimes, he boarded a flight from Aruba to Colombia and on to Peru.  The Aruban Attorney General told me that the

That would make it May 13th

Blonde,

It does not SEEM possible. However, anything is possible. We all know that...

BUCKSHOT

[Northern Rose]

OMG - they are already shelling shirts

http://nooitmeerwassen.nl/product_info.php?products_id=141
joran, but you couldn't hide
€29.00
Beschikbare opties:

[klaasend]

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According to the Dutch publication AD.NL Natalee Holloway’s body has been found in Aruba. AD.NL is sourcing Aruban authorities.
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I updated that front page to say it appears to be a false alarm.  At least I didn't go with the title stating it as fact, LOL.

[klaasend]

If Aruba notified the FBI that Joran was leaving Aruba on May 13th and Interpol can prove he was in Colombia on May 6th, wouldn't that prove that Aruba gave Joran a week to get out of "dodge"?

very interesting

May 10. A hotel room in Aruba and a car were both equipped with videotape equipment so that the crime could be caught on tape.

3 days after Van der Sloot was caught on tape committing the two planned crimes, he boarded a flight from Aruba to Colombia and on to Peru.  The Aruban Attorney General told me that the

That would make it May 13th

Blonde,

It does not SEEM possible. However, anything is possible. We all know that...

BUCKSHOT

Daily flights, to and from Aruba to Bogota Colombia.  Of course it's possible and some of his friends were born in Colombia.  He could go by boat too.

[AZSunny]

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/breaking-2-girls-missing-from-columbia-officals-questioning-van-der-sloot/

BREAKING: 2 GIRLS MISSING FROM COLUMBIA-OFFICALS QUESTIONING VAN DER SLOOT
June 8, 2010 – 9:39 am
Posted in Breaking News, Exclusive, Featured, Murdered
Tagged Joran Van Der Sloot
I have just learned  that Joran Van Der Sloot is now the suspect in the disappearance of 2 Colombian women. 2 girls disappeared from a casino in Columbia.

When Joran left Aruba on May 10th, with the  15,000 dollars in extortion money, he flew to Columbia for 2 days prior to Peru. Officials in Columbia are so convinced he is involved in the disappearance of these 2 young woman,  they have boarded a plane to Peru to question Van der Sloot.
Stand by developing

[ciskebab]

Some jokes i got from a friend

Joran van der Sloot was asked 2 participate in the television program "40 days without sex." Joran himself thinks he’s gonna make it, the other 1798 Peruvian prisoners think not.

Carglass is trying 2 keep Joran van der Sloot out of prison in Peru. They are afraid that if he gets in there his ‘star’(= a**) is beyond repair.

[Northern Rose]

"Possible false confession Joran" AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot may have under pressure a false confession to the murder of Stephany Flores. That says his Dutch lawyer Bert de Rooij.
Under De Rooij Joran shortly before his confession in a telephone conversation with his mother indicated that he was afraid of the interrogation methods of the Peruvian police, he told RTL Nieuws. The crying Joran would have called such methods "barbaric."

De Rooij van der Sloot represents in this case, but he advises him.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6893537/___Mogelijk_valse_bekentenis_Joran___.html?cid=short

[cece]

Alleged Confessor Joran Van Der Sloot Re-enactment Delayed
June 8, 2010 - 5:13 PM | by: Phil Keating

The day after Peruvian investigators say Natalee Holloway prime suspect Joran van der Sloot confessed to killing 21 year old Stephany Flores in Peru, police delayed the moment media from 3 continents were awaiting: the 23 year old Dutch man himself being taken back to the scene of the crime to re-enact exactly what happened, and how, the morning of May 30th. That's the day police say van der Sloot killed Flores, left her body on the floor of his Miraflores district hotel room and fled south in a taxi to Chile. That's where he hid out for 3 days until he was captured at a Chilean roadblock last week. Peruvian TV and newspapers report that, due to the large number of reporters and photographers camped outside the Hotel Tac, investigators have decided to wait until they're not there to bring van der Sloot back to show them his version of events.
In a stunning development, after being held since Friday by Peruvian authorities and interrogated about what happened to Flores ever since, late Monday night--police say--van der Sloot broke down, started crying and confessed to grabbing her by the neck and hitting her. The motive? According to police, van der Sloot says he left his hotel room that Sunday morning to get coffee and bread, came back to room 309 and found Flores on his laptop discovering that the guy she met at a Casino the night before was the prime suspect in the disappearance and presumed murder of Natalee Holloway in Aruba 5 years earlier, to the day. Police say that triggered van der Sloot's rage. Investigators have not released any details of exactly how the confession was obtained.

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/06/08/alleged-confessor-joran-van-der-sloot-re-enactment-delayed/


(LOL!  Seriously, how long do they want to wait until the press are not there?!)

[AZLady]

I was wondering about the frequency of flights from Aruba to Bogata.  How long a flight is that?  It's conceivable that he was in Bogata on the 6th of May, returning to Aruba on the 9th or 10th for his meeting with JQK, and then off again to Bogata immediately.  Does this fit the timeline?

[Northern Rose]

Involving Dutchman Joran van der Sloot with the disappearance of two Colombian assiduous in casinos Bogotá

Lima (Peru.com) .- The stay of the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot in Colombia coincided with the disappearance of two youths, who were frequent visitors to exclusive casinos.
 
As reported, the alien accused of killing the young Peruvian Stephany Flores Ramirez (21) arrived in Bogota on 6 May and visited several amusement arcades.
 
"In those days (the Netherlands) visited amusement arcades in the city of Bogotá, as shown in the video security of premises. We know you were staying in two hotels, so the police started investigations in our country," told reporters Colombia.
 
As recalled, van der Sloot confessed to the Criminal Investigation Department (DIRINCRI) blows that killed Flores Ramirez because he discovered his dark past.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100608/101118/Involucran-a-holandes-Joran-van-der-Sloot-con-desaparicion-de-dos-colombianas-asiduas-a-los-casinos-de-Bogota

[SunnyinTX]

OMG - they are already shelling shirts

that's sick........they forget a young woman's life was ripped from her

[TURBOTHINK]

apparently JVDS is a martial artist of great skill. In the peruvian newspaper the wrote that the broken neck was the result of a "karate chop" to the neck.

There is a discussion here:

http://www.karateforums.com/going-for-the-neck-break-vt33563.html

 that discusses the possibility of breaking someones neck with a karate chop

"...As far as breaking someone's neck with a karate chop, its not going to happen, certainly not the way you're envisioning it anyways.

The only circumstance in which I know of a broken neck in a fight was when Frank Shamrock fought Igor Zinoviev and slammed him to the ground. Neck breaking techniques are perfectly legal in mixed martial arts and plenty of people have taken shots to the neck in these tournaments. I would blame the whole "broken neck theory" on many 80's ninja and chuck norris movies....."

Having three adult children who are advanced degree black belts in Karate, I can tell you for a skilled karate person, breaking a neck is not out of the realm of an easily done skill.  I have one in MMA with specialty in Krav Mag, one a black belt in Issunynru, (sp?)and one a black belt in Shotokan Karate and it is relatively easy to do if well trained. Anyone well trained is not going to do that unless their life is threatened and even then, they have other techniques to disable an opponent rather than break their neck.

I do not see JVS being the type to do what it takes to become well trained in karate. That takes MANY years of disciplined training to even advance to a black belt and particularly to the higher degrees as a black belt. He is not self disciplined or committed to anything but himself and that does not match with a well trained karate mind set.  I am guessing he hit her with something heavy although with his size it might have been possible to get a fatal lick in on her because he would be coming downward from his height.

[klaasend]

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/breaking-2-girls-missing-from-columbia-officals-questioning-van-der-sloot/

BREAKING: 2 GIRLS MISSING FROM COLUMBIA-OFFICALS QUESTIONING VAN DER SLOOT
June 8, 2010 – 9:39 am
Posted in Breaking News, Exclusive, Featured, Murdered
Tagged Joran Van Der Sloot
I have just learned  that Joran Van Der Sloot is now the suspect in the disappearance of 2 Colombian women. 2 girls disappeared from a casino in Columbia.

When Joran left Aruba on May 10th, with the  15,000 dollars in extortion money, he flew to Columbia for 2 days prior to Peru. Officials in Columbia are so convinced he is involved in the disappearance of these 2 young woman,  they have boarded a plane to Peru to question Van der Sloot.
Stand by developing

So May 10-May 12/13

[MisGivings]

"Possible false confession Joran" AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot may have under pressure a false confession to the murder of Stephany Flores. That says his Dutch lawyer Bert de Rooij.
Under De Rooij Joran shortly before his confession in a telephone conversation with his mother indicated that he was afraid of the interrogation methods of the Peruvian police, he told RTL Nieuws. The crying Joran would have called such methods "barbaric."

De Rooij van der Sloot represents in this case, but he advises him.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6893537/___Mogelijk_valse_bekentenis_Joran___.html?cid=short

"Under De Rooij Joran shortly before his confession in a telephone conversation with his mother indicated that he was afraid of the interrogation methods of the Peruvian police, he told RTL Nieuws. The crying Joran would have called such methods "barbaric."mother."
What was he thinking when Stephany was crying for her life.

[SunnyinTX]

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BREAKING NEWS: Has Natalee’s Body Been Found? Or is it Another False Report/Alarm? | Scared Monkeys
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According to the Dutch publication AD.NL Natalee Holloway’s body has been found in Aruba. AD.NL is sourcing Aruban authorities.
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I updated that front page to say it appears to be a false alarm.  At least I didn't go with the title stating it as fact, LOL.

I expect the FP will get blasted later on.  And I wouldnt be surprised if it is not a false alarm............

[Northern Rose]

That last article states they have casino surveillance tapes of him being inthe Bogota casinos the days the two girls went missing.