Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[robots]

he is done

[darleenofalabama]

Misgivings, yes, he does suffer from antisocial personality disorder and it's the least offensive of his afflictions.  And, I wanted to especially say hello to you and thank you for your gracious welcome back to me the other day (I didn't see it until later); I hope all is well with you.

[Anna]

To convict Joran van der Sloot of murder in Peru a 3 judge panel need only 51% belief level to send him away for 35 years...     
half a minute ago  via Twitter for iPhone 

http://twitter.com/ClintVanZandt

Yes, the judicial requirement is only a preponderance of evidence.  Not the "beyond a reasonable doubt" we have in this country. 

There are the video tapes, the blood on the shirt and likely other things like shoe prints leading to the bathroom one report cited.  I am sure Joran stole at least something if not everything she had in the way of money.  There is Joran's known history for a pattern.

The bar is set pretty low for a conviction and we have three judges only, not 12 on a jury.  It's more like when a family sues in civil court as with OJ.

And the Peruvian police seem pretty confident that they have it all under control.  They are being careful not to do anything that could be considered a human rights violation .

But it's only as you say above and not even a reasonable doubt.  Not a good place to commit a crime.  Joran was broke and running from the FBI and desperate and he messed up, big time.

[Tamikosmom]

If the netherlands make a request for extradition this request is not automatically honored. The country the prisoner is in has to agree.


*snipped*

The Peruvians will never agree to let him leave.  NEVER.  Her daddy will make sure of that.  




And remember..........

Peruvian police say they expect Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the murder of a Peruvian college student, to be in their custody by this weekend. The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, is a businessman with close ties to the Peruvian police.


The murder of the Peruvian college student has touched the National Police in a particular way. Ricardo Flores, the young woman’s father, is president of the civic committee that supports the police’s internal affairs division. “He is a great man who has always been loyal to the police. We have no doubts that we will solve this case,” says one officer who has worked with Mr. Flores on events organized to help officers in need.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0604/What-Joran-van-der-Sloot-can-expect-from-Peruvian-police

wingnut

Stephany's prominent father is the reason I believe that justice will prevail in a Peruvian court.  It is what country the sentence will be served that has me concerned.

One way or another ... Joran will not be free.  The implication is that "Natalees and Stephanys" are not at risk.

If the Netherlands ever free Joran ... extradiction to the States in regards to the extortion charge is where it is at.

Janet  (Edit- Fix typo.  MB)

[Rob]

LOL!!!! She reminds me more and more of Raunchy Di Cuba every day.

same knockers

[thirdstrike]

he is done

Done like Paris Hilton with a videocamera on!!  Done like Lindsay Lohan and a bottle of Vodka!!  Done like R. Kelly at a daycare center!!  You guys get the picture...

[darleenofalabama]

Carpe and robots, I agree.  As soon as I heard the news, my first words were his stories are over and he's done.  And he is.

[carpe noctem]

He is most severely very very done, and I mean this so completely. No doubts.

[Tamikosmom]

SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

what could the s/b what country the

[texasmom]

Regarding OTR pictures of Room 309: Useless. There's no headboard on this bed. Other reports said she hit her head on the headboard. Is OTR deliberately trying to confuse this whole story?

It appears the headboard is the type that is attached to the wall, and in this case the wrong wall.  It looks like the rooms have been rearranged. A portion of the headboard is visible in another picture. I do believe that the "hit her head on the headboard" was just one of many speculations we have heard/read. There is what appears to be tile on the walls.

Good afternoon!

I thought they were referring to the "box springs" or what would hold the box springs as being what they thought her head may have been forced into that caused the injury.  IIRC the mattress was moved or askew so that this was visible when she was found.  I'm going to try to read back and find what I'm remembering.

[EURobert]

Joran will get the ultimate punishment: DEATH

"Joran at Castro Castro prison '

If Joran van der Sloot after one week from the police cell is released, he is at the Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital Lima on top, according to Peruvian media. In Castro Castro are the serious criminals, found guilty of rape and murder.

The newspaper Correo described a few years ago how some rapists of minors in Castro Castro come to their end at the hands of fellow inmates. Psychologists explained how the newspaper explained: "There is a pecking order in the world of serious criminals. Crimes against children and women who can not defend his cowardly. That must be punished.''

The Castro Castro prison, is up to the edge of town, in a slum, at a dusty dry mountain. Edgar taxi driver warns us do not walk around. 'If you are robbed, the police will look about twenty hours.''

Two sentences

Taking pictures is not the prison guards, only a little at the entrance where a couple handjesvol men and boys waiting to go inside. Sunday is visiting day for men. On Wednesday and Saturday, the women visit inside.

Inside are four thousand prisoners. Those who have money, hire a private cell, those who do not have to sleep on the floor. Often have several men share a bed.

Edgar taxi driver was convinced that Joran van der Sloot two sentences ahead: "The prosecutor and the street, that is to say of his fellow prisoners." He killed a Peruvian girl. They will pay him back.''

http://tinyurl.com/2ftompf

[cece]

LOL!!!! She reminds me more and more of Raunchy Di Cuba every day.

same knockers

LOL!!!  I heard that Rob!

[wingnut]

If the netherlands make a request for extradition this request is not automatically honored. The country the prisoner is in has to agree.


*snipped*

The Peruvians will never agree to let him leave.  NEVER.  Her daddy will make sure of that.  




And remember..........

Peruvian police say they expect Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the murder of a Peruvian college student, to be in their custody by this weekend. The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, is a businessman with close ties to the Peruvian police.


The murder of the Peruvian college student has touched the National Police in a particular way. Ricardo Flores, the young woman’s father, is president of the civic committee that supports the police’s internal affairs division. “He is a great man who has always been loyal to the police. We have no doubts that we will solve this case,” says one officer who has worked with Mr. Flores on events organized to help officers in need.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0604/What-Joran-van-der-Sloot-can-expect-from-Peruvian-police

wingnut

Stephany's prominent father is the reason I believe that justice will prevail in a Peruvian court.  It is what country the sentence will be served that has me concerned.

One way or another ... Joran will not be free.  The implication is that "Natalees and Stephanys" are not at risk.

If the Netherlands ever free Joran ... extradiction to the States in regards to the extortion charge is where it is at.

Janet  (Edit- Fix typo.  MB)

It is too high profile of a case.  The eyes of the world are on Peru.  They will not make a deal because of the "soft" message it would send.

[BUCKSHOT]

I can not even begin to imagine what type of defense Joran will possibly concoct...

I guess he will go with a mysterious "third person" who killed her while he was gone (for coffee)...
He then came back to a dead body, got scared, and left without telling anyone.

The silent treatment towards interrogators will do nothing for him this time around...
Most certianly, DNA evidence and other corroborating information will tell the story for him.

[darleenofalabama]

Buckshot, everytime he's caught murdering someone, he always gets scared and leaves without telling anyone.  There's no one to pick up after him this time; he has no defense.  He's done.

[cece]

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-51056-Atlanta-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2010m6d7-Van-der-Sloot-suicide-attempt

Van der Sloot suicide attempt
June 7, 3:49 PMAtlanta Pop Culture ExaminerRadell Smith

Joran van der Sloot has a lot of reasons to attempt suicide if you were to ask Beth Twitty or Ricardo Flores and family right now, but the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores and Natalee Holloway wasn't able to take his own life, according to UPI.

Suicide effort elicits stronger security

When an inmate in a jail or prison facility feels their crime--and potential ability to escape the consequences of it--are nil, they sometimes move to thoughts of suicide. According to UPI, Joran van der Sloot has made such an attempt.

Peruvian guards learned the Dutch alleged murderer made a possible attempt on his own life recently, necessitating tighter security over the 22-year-old man.

Van der Sloot is reported to have a criminal attorney representing him now, but the Dutch authorities are also denying any willingness to pay the fees for such. With his own legally qualified father deceased and unable to represent him, Joran van der Sloot finds himself in a situation like never before: without an escape hatch.

Former Van der Sloot lawyer takes to the air (Video link)

Joran's former lawyer Joe Tacopina told FOXNews, in an on-air interview Monday, June 7, that he has no plans to resume defending Joran van der Sloot, but he is hard pressed to understand the rash rush to judgment in the case against him in Peru.

FOXNews interviewers were not impressed and, clearly, Natalee Holloway's mother would be the first to cite the fact that Joran's own attempts to get money for revealing her daughter's remains isn't the acts of an innocent man.

Another coincidental contact with a missing or dead person?

Van der Sloot is either the most unlucky young man in the world or he is a guy bent on beating and murdering young women. It's one or the other. A suicide attempt is not known to occur by innocent victims of crimes they didn't commit.

Suicide attempts in jail or prison usually indicate an inability to deal with an anticipated guilty verdict and lifetime incarceration or punishment by fellow prisoners masked as a suicide. Joran van der Sloot has been accused of beating up on girls, like Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores. He is now in a jail with men. You think about that.

[BUCKSHOT]

wingnut,

I agree. The eyes of the world are on Peru and its dealing with this "notorious" prisoner.
He will NOT make a mockery of their judicial system, as was the case in Aruba.
Joran VanderSloot is a nobody to them. A foreign nobody, who happened to kill one of its citizens.

On a separate note...often times, prisoners like to kill and/or hurt (in)famous "high profile" inmates.

BUCKSHOT

[darleenofalabama]

He's too arrogant to attempt suicide; if he's indicated otherwise to the authorities, he's just trying to get himself away from other prisoners who might hurt him.

[texasmom]

I keep reading these theories that maybe Joran lost money to Stephany in the casino and she then went to his hotel room with him to collect that money.

I've been waiting for someone else to explain this, but no one else has so I just want to clarify that when you gamble in a casino, unless you are a known high roller, you use cash.  Period.

How you come by that cash is your business, whether you bring it with you, use an atm, take an advance on a credit card, whatever.  Joran would have had to use cash to purchase chips to play cards in the casino. 

No young woman savvy enough to play cards in a casino would loan money to a stranger to play cards against him.  Let me repeat that.  Regardless of how well off and/or how sheltered, any young woman savvy enough to play cards in a casino is savvy enough not to loan money to other gamblers.

This is just my opinion, and of course I have no idea why she went to his hotel room with him.  I just find it highly unlikely that she went to collect on money he'd lost to her while playing cards.  She would've already collected that money at the table in chips.

JMO and only MO

Not being a gambler myself other than the slots occasionally, I had the same questions Lifesong.  My DH has played the poker tables some in the past so I asked him about it.  I would have thought that you would have to be able to settle the debt (with cash) there in the casino too in order to place that bet in the first place.  

He said it is possible to request a "marker" like an IOU.  But that is only if everyone agrees.

[Ono]

2 hours from now, Peter R de Vries will be on a Dutch talkshow talking about Joran's arrest and his opinion on the matter.
I'll try and translate some of the high lights.

And a piccture of Peter R deVries if you can.  Some of us have a crush on him and think he is a very handsome man.  Mostly me, I think.

You're not alone.

Put his name on my dance card too ...!