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« Reply #660 on: June 07, 2010, 07:05:41 PM »

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Maggie on June 7th, 2010 2:43 pm

Just watching HLN news..Jean Casarez said she just obtained a copy of a report the hotel gave. Someone (female from the casino I believe)called to the hotel for Joran. The person went to his room heard the blaring tv, knocked on the door and got no answer. She went back to the desk, noticed he had not paid for his room the past 2 days, so she called the manager and they told them to use the spare key and go in the room. She said when she went in the room was a total mess.
Mattress was half off the bed, sheets were ripped off the bed…clothes everywhere, 5 cigarette butts in the ashtray, 2 drinks,,,diet soda was all drank , reg soda still had some in it.. The person was on the floor in her panties and a t shirt.. I think it said she had all of her jewellry still on if I heard it right.. The girl had bruises all over.. She thought it was Joran at first until she saw the long hair. She was bleeding from the ear and nose..
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« Reply #661 on: June 07, 2010, 07:12:23 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/07/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T3

(CNN) -- A Peruvian police report leaked Monday says the alleged victim of Joran van der Sloot was found in his hotel room on the floor, half-dressed. The report provides new details about the hours before Stephany Flores' body was found.


According to the document, the Hotel Tac, where van der Sloot was staying, received a call from someone looking for him about 11 p.m. June 1. The receptionist forwarded the call, but no one answered. The hotel worker assumed that van der Sloot was asleep because the room key was with him and not the front desk.

About an hour later, according to the police report, the receptionist noticed that van der Sloot owed money for two nights and went up to his room, where her knocks went unanswered. The television was blaring, so the hotel employee figured he was resting, the report says.

Afterward, the hotel supervisor told the employee to go back to van der Sloot's room and enter using a spare key. When the employee went in, she found Flores' body on the floor, dressed in a black T-shirt and red panties, half-covered with a piece of white clothing, the police report said.

Flores was bleeding from her nose, the report said.
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« Reply #662 on: June 07, 2010, 07:13:14 PM »

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Maggie on June 7th, 2010 2:43 pm

Just watching HLN news..Jean Casarez said she just obtained a copy of a report the hotel gave. Someone (female from the casino I believe)called to the hotel for Joran. The person went to his room heard the blaring tv, knocked on the door and got no answer. She went back to the desk, noticed he had not paid for his room the past 2 days, so she called the manager and they told them to use the spare key and go in the room. She said when she went in the room was a total mess.
Mattress was half off the bed, sheets were ripped off the bed…clothes everywhere, 5 cigarette butts in the ashtray, 2 drinks,,,diet soda was all drank , reg soda still had some in it.. The person was on the floor in her panties and a t shirt.. I think it said she had all of her jewellry still on if I heard it right.. The girl had bruises all over.. She thought it was Joran at first until she saw the long hair. She was bleeding from the ear and nose..

thanks carpe!!
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« Reply #663 on: June 07, 2010, 07:13:46 PM »

I read a short while ago that the suicide attempt was actually Joran slamming his head against the wall of the elevator, and that the Peruvian detail 'interpreted' this as a suicide attempt? I had the link but then firefox crashed on me and I lost it.

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it's detailing that a detective (in Peru) has related they have blood and fingerprint evidence now.......?

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0607/Peru-police-say-evidence-mounts-against-Dutchman-Joran-van-der-Sloot?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feeds%2Fworld+%28Christian+Science+Monitor+|+World%29

Evidence stacks up

Since the discovery of Flores' body on June 2, police here have released surveillance footage of her entering the hotel where she was killed with van der Sloot. There is also video footage and testimony from witnesses who saw the two together at a local casino and in the Hotel Tac. A detective on the case says that there is physical evidence, including blood and finger prints, which point to van der Sloot as the culprit.

Under Peruvian law, police can hold Van der Sloot seven days, starting from June 5, when he was brought back to Peru from neighboring Chile. He left Peru the same day that Flores was murdered.

Authorities will also use this week to decide what the official charges will be in the case against van der Sloot, which in term will determine the scope of a future trial.

Murder or robbery charges?

If convicted of murder, van der Sloot could face anywhere from 15 to 35 years in prison. The maximum sentence would be based any a prior record and the circumstances of the murder. The average murder trial in Peru takes two years from arrest to verdict.

Luis Lamas Puccio, a leading criminal lawyer in Peru, says the fact that van der Sloot fled Peru would act as a major strike against him if he is tried and found guilty of murder. "He could be looking at the maximum sentence given the circumstances of the case," he said.

There is a possibility, however, that authorities could charge van der Sloot with aggravated robbery instead of murder. Aggravated robbery is used in cases when robbery is the motive, but the perpetrator kills the victim in the act. This crime carries a life sentence.

Police are investigating claims from Flores' friends that she had won around $1,000 playing poker in a local casino where she met Flores on May 29. They left the casino together around daybreak the next morning. Another lead involves money that Flores supposedly had with her to buy a new computer.

The police did not find any money with her, which has sparked speculation in the media that van der Sloot killed her for the cash.

The US attorney for the Northern District of Alabama charged van der Sloot with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for disclosing the location of her body. Charges of extortion and wire fraud were filed on June 3, the day van der Sloot was detained in Chile. Prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred to from a Birmingham bank to a bank account in his name in the Netherlands.

Lamas Puccio says that the case could grow complicated for the prosecutor if the decision is made to charge van der Sloot with aggravated robbery. "This involves speculating about motive. It is more difficult to demonstrate," he says.
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« Reply #664 on: June 07, 2010, 07:19:16 PM »


I keep reading these theories that maybe Joran lost money to Stephany in the casino and she then went to his hotel room with him to collect that money.

I've been waiting for someone else to explain this, but no one else has so I just want to clarify that when you gamble in a casino, unless you are a known high roller, you use cash.  Period.

How you come by that cash is your business, whether you bring it with you, use an atm, take an advance on a credit card, whatever.  Joran would have had to use cash to purchase chips to play cards in the casino. 

No young woman savvy enough to play cards in a casino would loan money to a stranger to play cards against him.  Let me repeat that.  Regardless of how well off and/or how sheltered, any young woman savvy enough to play cards in a casino is savvy enough not to loan money to other gamblers.

This is just my opinion, and of course I have no idea why she went to his hotel room with him.  I just find it highly unlikely that she went to collect on money he'd lost to her while playing cards.  She would've already collected that money at the table in chips.

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Not being a gambler myself other than the slots occasionally, I had the same questions Lifesong.  My DH has played the poker tables some in the past so I asked him about it.  I would have thought that you would have to be able to settle the debt (with cash) there in the casino too in order to place that bet in the first place.  

He said it is possible to request a "marker" like an IOU.  But that is only if everyone agrees.

They could have been hanging around togetheter in the days preceding the day of the murder, getting to know each other a bit and he would not have felt like that much of a stranger to her. Maybe she even thought he was a charming foreigner down on his luck. If they were playing at the same table that night and JVDS lost his money , he could have persuaded her to loan him some cash, a not so substantial amount say a thousand dollars which he said he had in cash back at his hotel just to get back in the game. He might have offered to go to his hotel and repay the loan, assuming he lost the loan. That would explain the weird behaviour (not affectionate) of them on the hotel video.
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« Reply #665 on: June 07, 2010, 07:21:45 PM »

Several unanswered questions for me:
(1) Why kill SF, if he just wanted to rob her?
(2) Why not get his passport through a half-ass story, then catch a flight out of town.
(3) Why not use SF car?
(4) Who was this Albanian guy and what/where does he fit in to the story?

I know that most of the answers to the above questions can be summed up with:
Sense of entitlement, need for attention, uncontrollable rage, irrational thinking, arrogance.

Same as with OJ Simpson, wouldn't a person realize that they had received the luckiest break ever bestowed upon a person, having gotten a "get out of jail free card" and dodged a life imprisonment/death penalty for such a heinous crime? Then, simply kept their nose clean, laying low, and under the radar.

I suppose this is what makes these people so special and incapable of suppressing the monster that lies within...


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« Reply #666 on: June 07, 2010, 07:24:55 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_73588.php

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June 7, 2010, 14:06 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot (22) remains at least one week in custody at the office of the Peruvian national police in Lima. A judge has extended the remand so that researchers can build a case against him. Joran has not been formally charged with the murder of 21-year-old Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez.

The Peruvian press has already convicted the Dutchman. "As pretty as that" he is dangerous, "the Peruvian newspaper Diario Aja to Joran. In the same article he compared to a vampire that sucks the prey items and proceed to the next victim. Other newspapers and news media translate the call of the people that "gringo be behind bars. United Press International (UPI) reports that Joran extra eye is kept in his cell. He may have tried to commit suicide, said the Peruvian authorities to UPI. Other sources were reported this morning.

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Details about the research remains now appear in the local press. Thus we read that the murder victim's blood was found on a T-shirt from Joran. Moreover, pictures released by Flores Joran in the casino and hotel. On the images of the hotel to see how they go together to the reception to the room key target. On security images taken in the course of room 309, is then to see how together they enter the room and how Joran few hours later just comes out. The most recent images in the media have fallen, from an interrogation of murder suspect by the authorities. Joran makes it a calm impression, while agents search his belongings and ask him questions.

The CNN reported then that the Dutch embassy had asked for clarification about the treatment of Joran. The embassy would not be happy with the way the authorities deal with Joran. So he had to include pacing, so the press could make extensive footage of him. Today let the Foreign Ministry, however, know "not to interfere in the judicial process of another country."

Voodoo
While Joran in the research building of the Peruvian police to the press was shown were shamans, Peruvian medicine men, the building doing a ritual. They called supernatural powers to Joran to punish for his actions. With long knives were inserted on a voodoo doll that kind of murder suspect to propose.

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After his father, Paul van der Sloot, died in February of this year, came after the funeral Joran back in the Netherlands to Aruba. He stayed here until he left Peru on May 13 direction. Chief Peter Whites today in The Times said that Joran had already been investigated by the FBI. This confirms Advocate General Amigoe Taco Stein. The FBI has this worked with the local police and prosecutor. The study took last Wednesday when it became known that police the body of Flores in the hotel room was discovered. Police then served a federal suit against Joran for extortion.

This is a long sentence in the United States.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #667 on: June 07, 2010, 07:30:31 PM »

Hi Monkeys! coming back from my trip Smile

I think that he met different girls in Peru and i am worried that some are scaried to go to the police. I read somewhere that he missed a dinner with his friend in the Rosa Nautica. Its that true?
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« Reply #668 on: June 07, 2010, 07:36:04 PM »

http://www.sense-studios.com/lamavsjoran/

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 Trying to play catch up from the last few days... been very very busy..  THANK YOU to all of you who posted links to videos.. news stories..photos .. etc!

THEN I came across this game..  ROFLMAO.. TY Klass.. I am peein my pants here!!  Smile~
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« Reply #669 on: June 07, 2010, 07:39:23 PM »

http://www.sense-studios.com/lamavsjoran/

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 Trying to play catch up from the last few days... been very very busy..  THANK YOU to all of you who posted links to videos.. news stories..photos .. etc!

THEN I came across this game..  ROFLMAO.. TY Klass.. I am peein my pants here!!  Smile~

Hi ya' Angie!!!  Maybe I should start a thread in "Games" with this one. 
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« Reply #670 on: June 07, 2010, 07:41:42 PM »

Here is 24Horas "Exclusive" photo of the hotel room or one like it. Does not match Fox's photo of the hotel room or one like it. (Sorry, I don't know how to post photos.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8038.380
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« Reply #671 on: June 07, 2010, 07:42:34 PM »

How many hours before Joran starts protesting and not coming out of his cell, like he did in Aruba?

They will pick him up and roll his azz into interrogation in Peru.

All games ARE OVER. Smile

Or stick his fingers in his ears. lol
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« Reply #672 on: June 07, 2010, 07:45:50 PM »

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/

June 7, 2010
Tale of the Surveillance Tapes!
Posted: 04:38 PM ET

Joran van der Sloot Caught with Murder Victim on Video!

All sorts of new, chilling videotapes are emerging in the murder case against one-time Natalee Holloway suspect, Joran van der Sloot. One is surveillance video showing van der Sloot with murder victim, 21-year-old Stephany Flores, at a casino just hours before her brutal murder.
Stephany Flores / Joran van der Sloot

Another shows van der Sloot with Flores arriving at a Lima, Peru hotel walking into van der Sloot’s hotel room. Eerily it would be the last time Flores is seen alive.

Less than four hours later, hotel surveillance video captures van der Sloot leaving the hotel room alone, Flores’ badly beaten body left behind, according to police. A newly released police report reveals quite a disturbing crime scene. Flores’ body was discovered by a hotel receptionist at 12:40 a.m., June 2, the TV left blaring in the room.

According to the hotel employee, when she looked to her right, there was Flores’ body on the floor. The murder victim dressed in a black shirt, red underwear, no jeans and a piece of clothing, believed to be Joran van der Sloot’s beige shirt, partially over her body. Flores’ legs folded to the left and she was bleeding from the nose, the bed and the sheets in disarray on the floor. Police believe a tennis racquet found in the room is the murder weapon. Another piece of video shows van der Sloot after his capture as Chilean police comb through all his belongings then try to get him to open up while traveling in a police van. We now know investigators found bloodied clothes with van der Sloot. The clothing and tennis racquet are being tested for DNA.
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« Reply #673 on: June 07, 2010, 07:49:58 PM »

Regarding OTR pictures of Room 309: Useless. There's no headboard on this bed. Other reports said she hit her head on the headboard. Is OTR deliberately trying to confuse this whole story?


It appears the headboard is the type that is attached to the wall, and in this case the wrong wall.  It looks like the rooms have been rearranged. A portion of the headboard is visible in another picture. I do believe that the "hit her head on the headboard" was just one of many speculations we have heard/read. There is what appears to be tile on the walls.

Now I see what you're saying. In OTR's photo, the bed is moved so that it is not aligned under the headboard. In the 24Horas photo, the bed is aligned under the headboard. OTR does not claim that their photo is of the exact room. I don't know whether the 24Horas photo is of the exact room or a similar room. Anyway, she could have fallen against or been pushed into the headboard. Anyway, never mind the headboard: Klaas says that a tennis racquet was probably the weapon.

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« Reply #674 on: June 07, 2010, 07:50:33 PM »

Just had a thought on the blood on Joran's shirt.

The news report today that I heard on Sirius radio (the channel nancy grace is on) described the scene.  The victim had on a blouse and red panties.  They said there was a white/tan shirt placed over her legs and they believed that shirt was Joran's.  Remember that is what he had on when they entered the room together.  Obviously if on top of her it would have her blood on it. 

I wish Peru had an official spokesperson that we could get updates from.... so many differences in reports.  It will all come together in time I suppose.

I was glad to hear Joran hit his head against the wall.  No way that was suicidal... that is just Joran being Joran.  I am sure they are just being extra careful with him given the intl exposure.  Once the evidence all comes out and he is officially charged and thrown in a real prison I am sure he won't be eating the same food as the police.  And no more bottled water either.  Spoiled brat. 

I'm pretty sure those guys are gonna play hard ball and this punk won't get away with anything.
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« Reply #675 on: June 07, 2010, 07:51:38 PM »

Hi Monkeys! coming back from my trip Smile

I think that he met different girls in Peru and i am worried that some are scaried to go to the police. I read somewhere that he missed a dinner with his friend in the Rosa Nautica. Its that true?

Welcome back, cecilita!

I have no idea about Rosa. I haven`t heard about it.

Just wanted to say HI.
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« Reply #676 on: June 07, 2010, 07:52:22 PM »

This Alarm thing that Clint is talking about sounds cool.

http://www.livesecure.org/

Where on this site is it?  I thought he said it was a download to your phone and costs 99cents ?? what is it called?
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« Reply #677 on: June 07, 2010, 07:52:36 PM »

Dutch subtitles have been added with what the Police are asking and what Joran is replying.  At one point he tells them his is famous in Thailand.  He also tells them he wrote a book, that he plays poker very well, that he plays the flute,  that he wants to go to Bolivia.  The police say they find an ugly family photo and then ask him were he was at the time of the murder, he replies that is embarrasing..ummmm...I was masturbating..but why do you want to know?  then Joran asks masturbation is not illegal yet?  Then Joran says that they can do it differently, if you want to give me the number of my sister...

http://www.pezpaq.tv Last Sunday, the first images have emerged from the first trial of the alleged murderer Joran van der Sloot.
On the video you can see how the Dutchman calmly answered a few questions and how things are to be searched. We have for convenience only ff subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEecu6qqTgA


He`s a serial whacker. Must be pretty bad at it, if he got blood on his shirt.



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« Reply #678 on: June 07, 2010, 07:54:01 PM »

I can remember the Arubans telling Beth and the US that they just didn't understand how things were done in Aruba.  They needed to respect a foreign country's way of doing things.


Well, now it is Aruba's turn to respect a way a country does things!!

The CNN reported then that the Dutch embassy had asked for clarification about the treatment of Joran. The embassy would not be happy with the way the authorities deal with Joran. So he had to include pacing, so the press could make extensive footage of him. Today let the Foreign Ministry, however, know "not to interfere in the judicial process of another country."
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« Reply #679 on: June 07, 2010, 07:58:50 PM »

Girdle van Susteren is blaming the FBI.

klaas, can you ban her from Fox? do you have that power? please tell me you do.

Well, you know there is blame for their neglect on the extortion thingie, and yes the money that Beth gave Joran, when the FBI should have nabbed him, allowed him to move about.... Who is directing the FBI?  I think it falls under the DoJ, probably NOI.

It appears to me when the Aruba "officials" got wind that the FBI was going to arrest him they tipped him off and he fled the country. The timing is just too coincidental not for that to have happened. They seem to have stayed one step ahead of the FBI throughout this entire case. Of course the FBI does not have jurisdiction there except as Aruba gives them so the officials have to know before anyone is arrested.
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