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« Reply #700 on: June 07, 2010, 08:19:38 PM »

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Click on the link above to play the game:




 Trying to play catch up from the last few days... been very very busy..  THANK YOU to all of you who posted links to videos.. news stories..photos .. etc!

THEN I came across this game..  ROFLMAO.. TY Klass.. I am peein my pants here!!  Smile~

Hi ya' Angie!!!  Maybe I should start a thread in "Games" with this one. 



  LOL ~!! Hi yah Muffy !! Smile 
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« Reply #701 on: June 07, 2010, 08:20:49 PM »

This Alarm thing that Clint is talking about sounds cool.

http://www.livesecure.org/

Where on this site is it?  I thought he said it was a download to your phone and costs 99cents ?? what is it called?

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« Reply #702 on: June 07, 2010, 08:20:59 PM »

KLASSS!!! by mistake I wrote where only are posted the news about the case Sad please deleted ....sorry Sad

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Thank you sweethear!!! i will not do it again Smile
I just checked the videos and I noticed the police touched all the evidence without gloves!!!
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« Reply #703 on: June 07, 2010, 08:21:03 PM »

are you watching Nancy Grace...on in pacific time...showing outline of body and beaten body. where bruising occoured

I gave up watching her and when I did I was able to get off my high blood pressure pills.....where did she get the info on the bruises I wonder?  She makes up so much chit!!

They say it is a police report of her injuries.

(Of course, I can't say if that is true Wink
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« Reply #704 on: June 07, 2010, 08:22:16 PM »

The Goon Fled From Aruba

TURBOTHINK Writes: "It appears to me when the Aruba "officials" got wind that the FBI was going to arrest him they tipped him off and he fled the country. The timing is just too coincidental not for that to have happened. They seem to have stayed one step ahead of the FBI throughout this entire case. Of course the FBI does not have jurisdiction there except as Aruba gives them so the officials have to know before anyone is arrested."

This is very likely.

On May 10 the goon receives a payment and wire of, at least $10,000.  On May 14, he is in Peru.  The intervening time?

One can envision the scads of extradition paperwork required and authority transfers needed in order for a foreign police force, like the FBI, to arrive on sovereign soil, to arrest and apprehend a national in his own country.  Of for Aruba's own vaunted police forces to act on behalf of the United States.  (Har, Har)  72 hours?  Some things happen faster, some slower.

Regardless, within 72 hours of receiving a sizeable cash extortion payment, he was on his way to Peru -- a very long trip, indeed.

He was very likely tipped off, or he knew it was time to hit the road, after his "diabolically clever" extortion plot blew up in his face.

That he proceeded to kill -- again -- was unforeseen for sure, by even him.

In the mind of this madman, the dynamics and interplay of numerous motivations likely converged: the fear of his own extortion failing, his poor play at the tables in the Peruvian casino, his current need for money, his long deviant history, the recent death of his father...the lingering and very real anger and bitterness at the Holloway-Twitty family for ruining his life... 

Just a hair trigger waiting to be pulled.  And another girl, alone in the night.  5 years to the day.  Perfect, in the eyes of a psychopath.



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« Reply #705 on: June 07, 2010, 08:22:59 PM »

are you watching Nancy Grace...on in pacific time...showing outline of body and beaten body. where bruising occoured

I gave up watching her and when I did I was able to get off my high blood pressure pills.....where did she get the info on the bruises I wonder?  She makes up so much chit!!

They say it is a police report of her injuries.

(Of course, I can't say if that is true Wink

They have been talking about a police report that's out for a couple hours now, so it's probably true.
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« Reply #706 on: June 07, 2010, 08:23:19 PM »

are you watching Nancy Grace...on in pacific time...showing outline of body and beaten body. where bruising occoured

I gave up watching her and when I did I was able to get off my high blood pressure pills.....where did she get the info on the bruises I wonder?  She makes up so much chit!!

She had a body outline marked.  She has a reported on the ground...looked legit.   The also said she was wearing red panties, and the top she was seen in, and she was wearing a sanitary napkin, with blood.   The white shirt that Joran was wearing was thrown over her body, partially covering her torso.
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« Reply #707 on: June 07, 2010, 08:23:24 PM »

are you watching Nancy Grace...on in pacific time...showing outline of body and beaten body. where bruising occoured

I'm watching.

It also shows that she was wearing earrings & a metal watch.
(So maybe the coroner's office has the jewelry)?

I heard earlier she was found with her jewelry on her body.

Thank you Sunny.  I thought I heard or read earlier it was missing.  But, I confuse easily Wink
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« Reply #708 on: June 07, 2010, 08:23:33 PM »

"When the employee went in, she found Flores' body on the floor, dressed in a black T-shirt and red panties, half-covered with a piece of white clothing, the police report said."

Jean in Peru saying it was Joran's white shirt that he was seen wearing INTO the hotel room.


DAYUMmmmmmm I thought that when I was reading it earlier......
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« Reply #709 on: June 07, 2010, 08:23:37 PM »

KLASSS!!! by mistake I wrote where only are posted the news about the case Sad please deleted ....sorry Sad

Done!
Thank you sweethear!!! i will not do it again Smile
I just checked the videos and I noticed the police touched all the evidence without gloves!!!


Hi cecilita, several of us mentioned that as well....unbelievable, huh!
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« Reply #710 on: June 07, 2010, 08:24:57 PM »

are you watching Nancy Grace...on in pacific time...showing outline of body and beaten body. where bruising occoured

I'm watching.

It also shows that she was wearing earrings & a metal watch.
(So maybe the coroner's office has the jewelry)?

I heard earlier she was found with her jewelry on her body.

They said she was wearing her jewelry.

Thank you Sunny.  I thought I heard or read earlier it was missing.  But, I confuse easily Wink
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« Reply #711 on: June 07, 2010, 08:25:03 PM »

are you watching Nancy Grace...on in pacific time...showing outline of body and beaten body. where bruising occoured

I gave up watching her and when I did I was able to get off my high blood pressure pills.....where did she get the info on the bruises I wonder?  She makes up so much chit!!

They say it is a police report of her injuries.

(Of course, I can't say if that is true Wink

thanks cece.....perhaps the police gave it out then.....wish they would show the video of joran going out to get coffee and coming back with the coffee and bread. I am anxious to see what he is wearing.
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PUT ON YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES AND GET OVER IT!  It's not about you or me.....It's about the Missing and the Murdered
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« Reply #712 on: June 07, 2010, 08:25:19 PM »

I have to say seeing that picture of the wounds on Stephany's body is disturbing.

They also said Stephany was partially clothed which is different from what we heard from the father.  She had her shirt and panties on.
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« Reply #713 on: June 07, 2010, 08:26:01 PM »

are you watching Nancy Grace...on in pacific time...showing outline of body and beaten body. where bruising occoured

I gave up watching her and when I did I was able to get off my high blood pressure pills.....where did she get the info on the bruises I wonder?  She makes up so much chit!!

They say it is a police report of her injuries.

(Of course, I can't say if that is true Wink

They have been talking about a police report that's out for a couple hours now, so it's probably true.

Thanks Klaas Smile
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« Reply #714 on: June 07, 2010, 08:28:01 PM »

The Goon Fled From Aruba

TURBOTHINK Writes: "It appears to me when the Aruba "officials" got wind that the FBI was going to arrest him they tipped him off and he fled the country. The timing is just too coincidental not for that to have happened. They seem to have stayed one step ahead of the FBI throughout this entire case. Of course the FBI does not have jurisdiction there except as Aruba gives them so the officials have to know before anyone is arrested."

This is very likely.

On May 10 the goon receives a payment and wire of, at least $10,000.  On May 14, he is in Peru.  The intervening time?

One can envision the scads of extradition paperwork required and authority transfers needed in order for a foreign police force, like the FBI, to arrive on sovereign soil, to arrest and apprehend a national in his own country.  Of for Aruba's own vaunted police forces to act on behalf of the United States.  (Har, Har)  72 hours?  Some things happen faster, some slower.

Regardless, within 72 hours of receiving a sizeable cash extortion payment, he was on his way to Peru -- a very long trip, indeed.

He was very likely tipped off, or he knew it was time to hit the road, after his "diabolically clever" extortion plot blew up in his face.

That he proceeded to kill -- again -- was unforeseen for sure, by even him.

In the mind of this madman, the dynamics and interplay of numerous motivations likely converged: the fear of his own extortion failing, his poor play at the tables in the Peruvian casino, his current need for money, his long deviant history, the recent death of his father...the lingering and very real anger and bitterness at the Holloway-Twitty family for ruining his life... 

Just a hair trigger waiting to be pulled.  And another girl, alone in the night.  5 years to the day.  Perfect, in the eyes of a psychopath.


AMEN Hammer.....I believe he was tipped off that the FBI  was ready to request his detention and extradition.
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« Reply #715 on: June 07, 2010, 08:29:03 PM »

are you watching Nancy Grace...on in pacific time...showing outline of body and beaten body. where bruising occoured

I gave up watching her and when I did I was able to get off my high blood pressure pills.....where did she get the info on the bruises I wonder?  She makes up so much chit!!

She had a body outline marked.  She has a reported on the ground...looked legit.   The also said she was wearing red panties, and the top she was seen in, and she was wearing a sanitary napkin, with blood.   The white shirt that Joran was wearing was thrown over her body, partially covering her torso.

thanks AZ..........
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« Reply #716 on: June 07, 2010, 08:34:39 PM »

Joran van der Sloot has no lawyer
Counsel of the Ministry of Justice reported that Carla Odrķa no longer assume the defense of the Netherlands citizen, accused of murdering the young Stephany Flores. It is unknown identity and nationality of new counsel

Defense reasons. The Dutchman citizen Joran van der Sloot has no public defender to the investigation into the murder of Stephany Flores (21), daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, occurred last week.

This was stated by Carla Odrķa, representative of the Ministry of Justice and who played public defender of European citizens in recent days.

Speaking to elcomercio.pe, Carla said Odrķa ignore the lawyer's identity and nationality. Reliable sources indicated that it would be Joseph Tacopina, who defended it five years ago by the death of the young American girl Natalee Holloway.

SATURDAY WAS
Odrķa mentioned that he had the opportunity to talk to Joran van der Sloot on Saturday in the cells of the Dirincri and noticed it quiet.

"I spoke with him in the presence of a police officer for security. I had not told me unhappy, "he said Odria. He noted that the dialogue between the two was possible thanks to the presence of an interpreter. "The translation was in the Netherlands" he said.

Counsel avoided mentioning if the Dutchman proclaimed innocence by "professional secrecy". He noted that the interview did not ask him to call other witnesses.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491188/joran-van-der-sloot-ya-no-tiene-abogado-oficio
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« Reply #717 on: June 07, 2010, 08:37:23 PM »

Michael Griffith the attorney in the case that became Midnight Express.

He has been in prisons in over two dozen countries.  The prison he is going to be in is the worst.  There is a dormitary group called the shining path.  There are 35 prisoners to a room.  He said when he was visiting a client there a prisoner was stabbed withing 10 feet from him.  He said if someone wanted to get to this man these people have nothing and for $50.00 they will kill Joran.
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« Reply #718 on: June 07, 2010, 08:38:50 PM »

Several unanswered questions for me:
(1) Why kill SF, if he just wanted to rob her?
(2) Why not get his passport through a half-ass story, then catch a flight out of town.
(3) Why not use SF car?
(4) Who was this Albanian guy and what/where does he fit in to the story?

I know that most of the answers to the above questions can be summed up with:
Sense of entitlement, need for attention, uncontrollable rage, irrational thinking, arrogance.

Same as with OJ Simpson, wouldn't a person realize that they had received the luckiest break ever bestowed upon a person, having gotten a "get out of jail free card" and dodged a life imprisonment/death penalty for such a heinous crime? Then, simply kept their nose clean, laying low, and under the radar.

I suppose this is what makes these people so special and incapable of suppressing the monster that lies within...



1)  Imo,  he went into a rage when she refused to cooperate with him and I also think he could have planned to rob her and have sex with her.


2) I find it strange that he left his passport @ hotel as well and I'm surprised he didn't pay a few extra days on his room and request his passport.  Surely he could of thought of some excuse for needing it and telling desk clerk he would return it after he:- rented a car...or fill in the blanks...

3) "Why not use SF's car?" - not sure if you mean to use this car rather than hire drivers?

4) I think the Albanian guy was just another foreigner in Peru, interested in gambling that Joran hung out with. 
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« Reply #719 on: June 07, 2010, 08:39:13 PM »

Anne Bremner said there is more to be seen in forensics.  Joran is going to the gates of hell.
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