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« Reply #300 on: June 07, 2010, 05:41:49 AM »

The Telegraph has "Hang 'm' High" as the heading for one of the side articles (right side of page links). (Doesn't use that on the actual article, though.) Guess all those Westerns traveled well.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6875266/__Overtuigend_bewijs_tegen_Joran__.html

The "Hang 'm high" article on the site of the Telegraaf, was about what the Peruvian press wrote about Joran.

Yes, I know. "Hang 'Em High" was a Clint Eastwood Western (don't know if it was one of the "spaghetti westerns"). Just thought it was funny that a Dutch newspaper would use it.
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« Reply #301 on: June 07, 2010, 05:48:05 AM »

As Jesdamala mentioned - There is that Wiki whacko who makes sure the Natalee Holloway topic promotes Aruba, mentions all possible theories, talks about Natalee drinking, drugs, "Holiday Inn told them to never come back" etc.

The site has been updated with last week's events.

But might s/he have just made up the "Midnight Express" part? I just looked at the transcript of the PdV interview with Beth, and also the Larry King interview transcript. I don't see that specific quote. (Wish I knew how the SM Search works. I am usually an EPIC FAIL with it.)

Actually, I have memory of it. I think she did say it.

Right about the time of the big Mr. Deep Freeze special.

Early 2008. She was frickin` spittin` nails mad... and I was too, watching it.
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« Reply #302 on: June 07, 2010, 05:48:17 AM »

Thanks everyone for the comments about my chat room questions during the Steph Watts show.  For those who weren't listening...my questions were not acknowledged by anyone that could have answered them.  

I'd typed a whole big long response about it while the threads were changing, so I lost it.  I'm not typing it all over again!  At least not until after I finish listening to Dana, and take a long hot shower.  

THANK YOU SO MUCH Sleuth for the recap of Steph's show!  

Other than what Dave said, God bless him, I got lost in all the confusion..lol.  Of course when I started reading your transcription it started coming back to me.  I'm going to try to listen to it again later.

I certainly appreciate Steph bringing all the guests on for us to hear, but he could really take some lessons from Dana.

Dana's the BEST!  :monkeyheart:



Please forgive me for being so late with thanks.

Sleuth, I meant to thank you earlier for the recaps. Thank you. It is always great to have you here.

Northern Rose, you have done a remarkable job keeping up with all of the stories and providing links.  Thanks, and hats off to you.

Klaas, thank you for all the pictures, and thanks for being the tyrannical ruler you are!

For all of the monkeys who are here helping to get the story in the cage, so it can get out to others, a big Thank you.

Rob, thanks for the updates about things that are going on off-camera.

Carpe, thanks for the loving arms I see you wrap around both Natalee and Beth, your family is very lucky to have you.

TM, thanks for holding the fort when others could not be there.

Old Monkeys showing their faces, I have missed you more than you will know, that includes the new old monkeys and the old old monkeys.  It's good to see your face in the place.

I pray that this brutal criminal is now taken from our society forever, never to show his evil face in public again. I pray that all women are now safe from him.   

I pray for all women/men/children so they will be safe from predators and from abuse forever.

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« Reply #303 on: June 07, 2010, 05:52:21 AM »

It was about the same time she called him an SOB, and blew my hat in the creek.

I don`t blame ya, Beth.

I would have hunted him down and killed the little bastard.
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« Reply #304 on: June 07, 2010, 05:56:45 AM »

As Jesdamala mentioned - There is that Wiki whacko who makes sure the Natalee Holloway topic promotes Aruba, mentions all possible theories, talks about Natalee drinking, drugs, "Holiday Inn told them to never come back" etc.

The site has been updated with last week's events.

But might s/he have just made up the "Midnight Express" part? I just looked at the transcript of the PdV interview with Beth, and also the Larry King interview transcript. I don't see that specific quote. (Wish I knew how the SM Search works. I am usually an EPIC FAIL with it.)

I think that, too.  I thought our search engine was turned off due to the high traffic.  Maybe you can google it.

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« Reply #305 on: June 07, 2010, 05:58:50 AM »

As Jesdamala mentioned - There is that Wiki whacko who makes sure the Natalee Holloway topic promotes Aruba, mentions all possible theories, talks about Natalee drinking, drugs, "Holiday Inn told them to never come back" etc.

The site has been updated with last week's events.

But might s/he have just made up the "Midnight Express" part? I just looked at the transcript of the PdV interview with Beth, and also the Larry King interview transcript. I don't see that specific quote. (Wish I knew how the SM Search works. I am usually an EPIC FAIL with it.)

Actually, I have memory of it. I think she did say it.

Right about the time of the big Mr. Deep Freeze special.

Early 2008. She was frickin` spittin` nails mad... and I was too, watching it.

Could be, I have never seen ME, so it would not have registered with me.

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« Reply #306 on: June 07, 2010, 06:07:03 AM »

JvdS's Body Language

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/


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« Reply #307 on: June 07, 2010, 06:08:19 AM »

Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html
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« Reply #308 on: June 07, 2010, 06:09:40 AM »

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"Joran killed Stephany with tennis racket '
Monday, June 7, 2010 9:42

Stephany Flores Ramírez probably have been killed with a tennis racket. They would be deceased by a broken neck. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23) is suspected of murder. Stephany autopsy revealed that no sexual contact has been with Joran.

Joran van der Sloot was arrested in Chile and extradited to Peru

Amongst serious criminals
If Joran after one week from the police cell is released, he is at the Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital Lima on top. In Castro Castro are the serious criminals, found guilty of rape and murder. The newspaper Correo Post described a few years ago how some rapists of minors in Castro Castro come to their end at the hands of fellow inmates.

That the Peruvian police to inform further research, reports The Associated Press Monday. "All the evidence suggests that [Joran] Stephany killed," said the chief of the Criminal Investigation Service.

Thus, under the fingernails of the murdered girl found skin tissue. Police have video that shows how the hotel room where Joran lived with Stephany, smeared with blood. Traces of blood were found on the bed, the floor and in the bathroom.

Stephany autopsy revealed that shortly before she was killed had no sexual contact. She was not raped or drugged by Joran.

Details
About the crime are becoming more detail out. Thus, an Albanian poker player, who lived in Peru and much of Joran appointment, the authorities have asked the hotel room watching. She has since been found dead.

The man, the 35-year-old Elton Garcia, not as suspects, but even he can not leave Peru temporarily. He explained to the police with Stephany and Joran have play poker.

Abducted
When Joran on Tuesday, two days after the murder, did not show up at an appointment, Garcia started to worry. He thought they were both kidnapped. On the night of Wednesday the man asked the Director of the Atlantic City casino to call the hotel and the room of Joran. As a result, later that night Stephany found.

Garcia says "absolutely not friends" to be with Joran. "I know him only by sight because we pokerden together to free table in Atlantic City casinos."

Holloway
It is also known that Joran all 15,000 of the 250,000 euros demanded by it had received from the Holloway family, for details on the location of Natalee's body, the American teenager who disappeared in 2005. This shows in the U.S. indictment against Van der Sloot. Internet fraud and extortion at state in the United States up to fifty years imprisonment.

Joran promised the families of the missing girl , after paying the full amount, the physical remains to be identified.

With the 15,000 euro Joran had enough money to travel to Peru, the country where he is suspected of the murder of Stephany .

By Jeroen Langelaar

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Nederland/267551/Joran-vermoordde-Stephany-met-tennisracket.htm
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« Reply #309 on: June 07, 2010, 06:15:31 AM »

Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Wow!  How did you find it?

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« Reply #310 on: June 07, 2010, 06:18:28 AM »

Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Very good monkey sleuthing!!  Thanks!!
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« Reply #311 on: June 07, 2010, 06:21:15 AM »

Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Wow!  How did you find it?



Googled "Midnight Express" + "Beth Holloway"
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« Reply #312 on: June 07, 2010, 06:22:54 AM »

Aruba adds this to the Beth/Stephany conspiracy theory in 3-2-1 ...
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« Reply #313 on: June 07, 2010, 06:25:26 AM »

What is it with these murderers who dye their hair? Didn't that Scott Peterson do the same thing after he murdered his wife?  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knows for a fact whether or not Peru has the death penalty?  I heard O'Reilly say they would execute him there, and I was hoping they would. 

Hi Darleen -

I don`t think Joran qualifies for death in Peru. I think they may still have it, but it is only used on the rarest of occasions.

He`ll get many many years - maybe life, I think.

...and even a few short years in a Peru jail is a death sentence for Joran. IMO

I don`t think he has the skills. I think he has just enough skills to get himself killed in prison.
I was under the impression that if they can prove there was also robbery involved, he would get life.
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« Reply #314 on: June 07, 2010, 06:27:53 AM »

What is it with these murderers who dye their hair? Didn't that Scott Peterson do the same thing after he murdered his wife?  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knows for a fact whether or not Peru has the death penalty?  I heard O'Reilly say they would execute him there, and I was hoping they would. 

Hi Darleen -

I don`t think Joran qualifies for death in Peru. I think they may still have it, but it is only used on the rarest of occasions.

He`ll get many many years - maybe life, I think.

...and even a few short years in a Peru jail is a death sentence for Joran. IMO

I don`t think he has the skills. I think he has just enough skills to get himself killed in prison.
I was under the impression that if they can prove there was also robbery involved, he would get life.

True. Murdering someone gets you 25-35 years, robbing and murdering someone gets you life.
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« Reply #315 on: June 07, 2010, 06:28:42 AM »

http://blog.al.com/sweethome/2010/06/natalee_holloways_mother_beth.html
Natalee Holloway's mother Beth Holloway co-founds resource center to open in Washington
By Mary Orndorff -- The Birmingham News
June 07, 2010, 5:00AM

Beth Holloway co-founded the Natalee Holloway Resource Center. It opens Tuesday in Washington, D.C.

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center opens Tuesday night in Washington, D.C., where families of missing persons can get help managing their crisis, and high school and college students can get advice for traveling safely.

  Named for the Mountain Brook teenager who disappeared five years ago on a class trip to Aruba, the nonprofit center at the National Museum of Crime and Punishment was co-founded by Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway.

  The center's opening comes just as Holloway's case has returned to the international spotlight with the arrest of Joran van der Sloot in the death of a woman in Peru. He was the main suspect in Holloway's case, and was charged by federal prosecutors in Birmingham last week with trying to extort $250,000 from someone in exchange for information about what happened to the girl.

  Beth Holloway partnered with museum officials after they added Natalee's case to the unsolved section of the museum last year, said Janine Vaccarello, chief operating officer of the museum and co-founder of the Holloway center.

  "Beth made a list of what she went through when Natalee was first reported missing and most of the things had to do with her not having resources," Vaccarello said. "It was about her not knowing what to do next."

  The center will perform administrative tasks and provide advice, she said.
The first phone call a family should make about their missing loved one is to the police, and Vaccarello wants their second call to be to the center. A 24-hour call center, donated by an Orlando law firm and staffed by trained personnel, will help that family navigate the process of gathering information about the missing person and provide it to the media to get the word out as quickly and accurately as possible.

  "We'll send out the press release, contact their senators and congressmen, provide phone numbers for U.S. embassies ... or the American Red Cross if that's what they need," Vaccarello said.

  A second mission of the center is education, and helping teachers, parents and students prepare to travel safely.

  "It is geared for teachers and groups with Natalee in mind," Vaccarello said. "It would be great if teachers could make it a homework assignment."

  The curriculum will be available free on the center's website, www.helpthemissing.org.

  The opening night reception and fundraiser is Tuesday evening at the museum, near Chinatown in downtown Washington, and is open to the public. Beth Holloway will host a press conference earlier in the day.

  Vaccarello said the center will operate on cash donations and donated services at first, but it may eventually seek federal funds.
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« Reply #316 on: June 07, 2010, 06:38:12 AM »

"He speaks very good Spanish, is a mythomaniac, a hypocrite, this is a person who has experience to lie," said Col. Miguel Canlla, head of the Homicide Division. Van der Sloot psychologists have said that this is a psychopath. "It looks friendly and harmless to facilitate the seduction and subsequent killing of their victims," says the psychotherapist Manuel Saravia, who adds that they "tend to repeat the procedure for their crimes in different places."

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490567/caso-van-der-sloot-abre-discusion-sobre-nuevas-relaciones-entre-jovenes

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« Reply #317 on: June 07, 2010, 06:49:02 AM »

One last post, then I've gotta leave.

In the Comments at a Peru site, someone mentioned that the hotel is owned by Chinese. They are not understanding why no one checked the room for what, 2 or 3 days?

The hotel looks like a flea bag, but it might be "nice" by Peru standards. Don't mean to offend, I just don't know much about Peru.

Also - some were discussing leaving passports at the front desk. There are two reasons: helps prevent skipping on the bill, and also - there is a big black market for stolen passports. If your passport is stolen (or lost) it isn't easy to resume your travel. I think the hotel doesn't want to be stuck with a guest in the real sense of the word "guest" while the embassy or consulate gets you something to travel with.

Since Joran left his passport behind, and turned up in another country (Chile), it really points to "guilty flight." It's in the same bucket of circumstantial evidence as his make over.
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« Reply #318 on: June 07, 2010, 06:55:26 AM »

Former attorney questioned Joran van der Sloot tests involving the murder of Stephany Dutchman Flores (with video)

Joseph Tacopina hinted that a third person would be responsible for murder. Also expressed its surprise that the body has been found in the room just three days after the crime

"How do you know that inside the room there was no third person waiting for them?" Asked the renowned lawyer Joseph Tacopina to question one of the strongest proofs that involve the citizen Dutchman Joran van der Sloot in the murder of the young Stephany Flores occurred on Sunday 30 May.

Joseph Tacopina, who successfully defended Van der Sloot in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway American girl five years ago, referred to the fact that the Dutchman admitted with Stephany Flores Tac Miraflores hotel early 30 May, but was only hours later, according to security video showed the accommodation.

Thus, the lawyer also defended the late King of Pop Michael Jackson hinted that a third person would be responsible for crime.

In a telephone conversation from New York with the TV program "Panorama", Joseph Tacopina also expressed surprise at the time that passed between the alleged day of the murder and the discovery of the body of Stephany.

More soon ....

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490841/ex-abogado-joran-cuestiona-pruebas-que-involucran-holandes-asesinato-stephany

Poor Joey .... He just won't admit he knows Joran is a killer...even when he is not representing him..... pathetic. Joey, WE may not know who was in the room, but you can bet your boots w/ a camera that close to the door -- that the authorities know how many people went in and out of that room Wink Joey, ya make me want to puke.......
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« Reply #319 on: June 07, 2010, 06:56:38 AM »

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Monday, June 7, 2010 9:42

Stephany Flores Ramírez probably have been killed with a tennis racket. They would be deceased by a broken neck. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23) is suspected of murder. Stephany autopsy revealed that no sexual contact has been with Joran.

Joran van der Sloot was arrested in Chile and extradited to Peru

Amongst serious criminals
If Joran after one week from the police cell is released, he is at the Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital Lima on top. In Castro Castro are the serious criminals, found guilty of rape and murder. The newspaper Correo Post described a few years ago how some rapists of minors in Castro Castro come to their end at the hands of fellow inmates.

That the Peruvian police to inform further research, reports The Associated Press Monday. "All the evidence suggests that [Joran] Stephany killed," said the chief of the Criminal Investigation Service.

Thus, under the fingernails of the murdered girl found skin tissue. Police have video that shows how the hotel room where Joran lived with Stephany, smeared with blood. Traces of blood were found on the bed, the floor and in the bathroom.

Stephany autopsy revealed that shortly before she was killed had no sexual contact. She was not raped or drugged by Joran.

Details
About the crime are becoming more detail out. Thus, an Albanian poker player, who lived in Peru and much of Joran appointment, the authorities have asked the hotel room watching. She has since been found dead.

The man, the 35-year-old Elton Garcia, not as suspects, but even he can not leave Peru temporarily. He explained to the police with Stephany and Joran have play poker.

Abducted
When Joran on Tuesday, two days after the murder, did not show up at an appointment, Garcia started to worry. He thought they were both kidnapped. On the night of Wednesday the man asked the Director of the Atlantic City casino to call the hotel and the room of Joran. As a result, later that night Stephany found.

Garcia says "absolutely not friends" to be with Joran. "I know him only by sight because we pokerden together to free table in Atlantic City casinos."

Holloway
It is also known that Joran all 15,000 of the 250,000 euros demanded by it had received from the Holloway family, for details on the location of Natalee's body, the American teenager who disappeared in 2005. This shows in the U.S. indictment against Van der Sloot. Internet fraud and extortion at state in the United States up to fifty years imprisonment.

Joran promised the families of the missing girl , after paying the full amount, the physical remains to be identified.

With the 15,000 euro Joran had enough money to travel to Peru, the country where he is suspected of the murder of Stephany .

By Jeroen Langelaar

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Nederland/267551/Joran-vermoordde-Stephany-met-tennisracket.htm

There have not been enough days for toxicology tests to come back.

I thought they said she had no signs of rape, but they were checking to see if there was any semen on her body or clothes.

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