Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[Jo-An]

Would a door like that automatically lock when you close it? There was a "normal" key not a keycard.
Because on the hotel video footage you see Joran exiting the room without locking it. If that was the time he got out to get coffee and bread would that have been on purpose to later say that someone else could've entered the room because he "forgot" to lock it? And he came back with the coffee and lookie, there's a dead body?

[darleenofalabama]

Hello, everyone.

This morning, I saw a tape (on the Today Show, I think) said to show that murderer being interrogated by the police in Peru.  It was just a very brief clip, but I thought he looked arrogant.  I think the interrogation is his favorite part because he believes he can bring them around to his point of view.  He is going to fall so far.  He's a lying murderer and they know it.

Noted from another post, what's that about him wanting mineral water?  I hope they don't give it to him; let him drink plain old jail water.

Oh, and, Klaasand, I read back and I saw that bit about WonderWoman.  lol  I think that's an excellent idea; I want to ask her a couple of things--like is there any way her psychotic thinking can believe that murderer isn't guilty now, and, is she sorry yet that she voted democratic?  (For those who don't know WonderWoman, that is another subject, but not worth meeting her.)

[cece]

Joran Van der Sloot would be detained in the prison Piedras Gordas

According to experts, by the seriousness of crime and personal safety, the Dutchman should be confined in jail in Ancon.

For Wilfredo Pedraza former head of the National Penitentiary Institute, INPE, the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores, eligible to be admitted to the prison's maximum security Piedras Gordas at Ancon.

According to Pedraza Sierra, INPE, which will decide in coming weeks in what prison should be conducted abroad, discusses three considerations in deciding on the theme: the severity of the crime, his background and vocation of flight.

But the former head of the National Penitentiary Institute, there is a fundamental factor is taken into account in these cases and to ensure the personal safety of the accused.

http://www.24horas.com.pe/nacionales/1275933587.php

Thank you Northern Rose & Good morning/afternoon Monkeys



Cells Piedras Gordas prison of Ancon.

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[thirdstrike]

Hello everyone!  Hope all had a good weekend.  What's new?

[darleenofalabama]

Thirdstrike! Hello!  And, bye for now; I have to go run some errands.

[Northern Rose]

Hello, everyone.

This morning, I saw a tape (on the Today Show, I think) said to show that murderer being interrogated by the police in Peru.  It was just a very brief clip, but I thought he looked arrogant.  I think the interrogation is his favorite part because he believes he can bring them around to his point of view.  He is going to fall so far.  He's a lying murderer and they know it.

Noted from another post, what's that about him wanting mineral water?  I hope they don't give it to him; let him drink plain old jail water.

Oh, and, Klaasand, I read back and I saw that bit about WonderWoman.  lol  I think that's an excellent idea; I want to ask her a couple of things--like is there any way her psychotic thinking can believe that murderer isn't guilty now, and, is she sorry yet that she voted democratic?  (For those who don't know WonderWoman, that is another subject, but not worth meeting her.)

From all reports they gave him his blankie and mineral water, but mommy has not shown up yet.  Come out, come out where ever you are Anita.

[thirdstrike]

Hello, everyone.

This morning, I saw a tape (on the Today Show, I think) said to show that murderer being interrogated by the police in Peru.  It was just a very brief clip, but I thought he looked arrogant.  I think the interrogation is his favorite part because he believes he can bring them around to his point of view.  He is going to fall so far.  He's a lying murderer and they know it.

Noted from another post, what's that about him wanting mineral water?  I hope they don't give it to him; let him drink plain old jail water.

Oh, and, Klaasand, I read back and I saw that bit about WonderWoman.  lol  I think that's an excellent idea; I want to ask her a couple of things--like is there any way her psychotic thinking can believe that murderer isn't guilty now, and, is she sorry yet that she voted democratic?  (For those who don't know WonderWoman, that is another subject, but not worth meeting her.)

From all reports they gave him his blankie and mineral water, but mommy has not shown up yet.  Come out, come out where ever you are Anita.

Also, am I correct in reading that they found bloddy clothes in his bag when they caught him in Chile?  Maybe that missing shoe was in the bag as well? 

[Northern Rose]

Adely interrogate again


Key. Young clerk's body was found Stephany Flores. Employee is scared but will be presented to the Police, confirmed one of his fellow Tac Hotel.

Luis Velásquez C.

In his position at the front desk Tac, we find Adely Abad Marchena. His name became widely known when a few days ago discovered the body of the student Stephany Ramirez Flores in a room of this accommodation.

In this new meeting refused to disclose details of that dreadful time. Just simply say, "I told you all to the police and if cited again I testify."

Talk a witness

Adely not supported but is scared. Hides her face whenever a stranger enters the hotel. His companions confirmed her fear. "He is afraid and the owners do not want to talk," said a man in charge of changing the sheets of the rooms.

The same worker confirms everything said by the girl to the police. "She entered the room and found the body. There was much blood (...). We realized that the Dutchman had two days of accommodation and so Adely came up with a copy of the key (...). Slow to download because it froze (...). Then up the rest. "

The boy said that this week all employees and owners of the Hotel Tac will be presented to the Dirincri to give an extension of their testimony. "We are going to say the day and time, but still I do not know. They have not said anything. "

Go to Piedras Gordas

Now what will happen to Joran van der Sloot? Because it would be sent to a maximum security prison as Piedras Gordas, because his case meets the three conditions for: seriousness of the offense, personal history (background) and its vocation to escape.

Wilfredo Pedraza believes so, former president of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), for whom there are also other factors that make you think and decide INPE authorities that the best place for citizens Dutchman accused of criminal homicide is the Ancon. "We talked about their personal safety and physical conditions of the prison makes it practically impossible a leak."

Pedraza also said that another point to consider is the "image of the country." "There are versions abroad who say they do not have the conditions to guarantee the life of this man, which would be ruled out taking him to a prison as Piedras Gordas.

This is classified

What awaits Joran van der Sloot after police investigations? To tell the former president of INPE, professionals of this institution, headed by a lawyer and psychologist, will discuss the case.

"At this stage of the classification of the inmate will be if you had other income to prison for crimes he was accused before and analyze their psychological profile."

Then take into account the security conditions in the prisons that could house it. "It could not be Lurigancho, because there are no conditions. Nor can it be the prison of San Jorge, for the offense for which he is tried is of the utmost gravity. "

"Solo is the Castro Castro prison, but there exists the problem of internal insecurity and overcrowding, so the penalty is only Piedras Gordas. The committee classifier takes into account all these factors and decide the penalty, and in this case I am sure it will be Ancon, "said Pedraza.

Flowers for burial

Stephany's grave was the most visited Sunday in the Gardens of Peace Cemetery in La Molina, a sign of affection she had classmates, friends and relatives who attended from 9 am.

Even the religious in charge of funeral services approached the cemetery several times until the burial of the young student to pray for his eternal rest and recovery of their parents hurt.

Ramirez Flores family remained outside Lima yesterday. After attending the cemetery of La Molina will fly, as other relatives, south of Lima to try to rest.

Only today will come into the Dirincri to inquire about the progress of the investigation and made available to the police to provide personal information of the young student.

Key
Revenge. A new hypothesis about the police investigating the motive for the crime of Stephany Flores. According to sources close to the investigation, as well as the probable theft Mobile has now added a possible retaliation of Joran van der Sloot against the girl.

Money. According to police sources, the Dutchman had lost a bet with Stephany game for $ 5,000, so it would certainly have wanted to recover the money by any means.

http://www.larepublica.pe/sociedad/07/06/2010/interrogaran-otra-vez-adely-0

[Northern Rose]

FOTOS DE JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

http://biografiafotosyvideos.blogspot.com/2010/06/fotos-de-joran-van-der-sloot.html

[klaasend]

Would a door like that automatically lock when you close it? There was a "normal" key not a keycard.
Because on the hotel video footage you see Joran exiting the room without locking it. If that was the time he got out to get coffee and bread would that have been on purpose to later say that someone else could've entered the room because he "forgot" to lock it? And he came back with the coffee and lookie, there's a dead body?

Keyed on the outside, the inside of the door could have a button you push in then close the door to lock.

[Northern Rose]

Lawyers advised Joran
Two assisting counsel represented him in Office and Dirincri, but calls a lawyer Dutchman. His backpack was found a laptop that could be Stephany Flores. Police are investigating. Author: ANA BRICEÑO
CompartirEnviar.El Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, 22, feels increasingly cornered. So, now struggling to communicate with his mother and getting a lawyer to free him from Dutchman a tough sentence which could be many years in a prison in our country. The young man is guarded by four policemen in the cells of the Dirincri. The officials said that note was tense.

LAWYERS. The public defender advised Rosa Luisa Camargo Madrid abroad in the Public Ministry. Perú.21 spoke with the lawyer, who narrated that the Van Der Sloot to ask about the charges against him there, he replied: "Yes, Stephany Flores's death."

"He said he wanted to communicate with her mother and needed a lawyer from the country and not trade. Yet he counseled and asked if he had a friend in Peru, and Uruguay Elton responded that Garcia "he said.

Meanwhile, during his statement to the police in Dirincri, which lasted until dawn yesterday, another public defender, Carla Odria, as advised in this process. "I can not declare in advance because the process still continues," he said in succinct when asked about the coach.

"OTHER EVIDENCE? Also, yesterday released a video where you can see the time police searched the belongings of the Dutchman. Among them was a laptop HP brand and various notes and coins in Chile, Bolivia and Peru.

The experts are investigating the origin of the machine, as the father of Stephany, Ricardo Flores, said that one day before the murder he gave his daughter a thousand dollars to buy the unit. Police carried out a confrontation with hotel employees TAC, Miraflores, who corroborated that enter the Dutchman saw Stephany, on Sunday 30 May.

Today you could have the integral result of the autopsy that was performed on the victim. In this way you can determine whether she was raped or not.

Meanwhile, Joseph Tacopina, a former Van Der Sloot attorney who successfully defended in the case of the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, questioned via telephone communication with the Panorama program, the Dutchman evidence implicating the crime in Lima .

"How do you know that inside the room there was no third person waiting for them?" He asked. He also expressed his surprise at the time that passed between the day of the murder and the discovery of the body.

http://peru21.pe/impresa/noticia/abogadas-asesoraron-joran/2010-06-07/276910

[Jo-An]

Thanks, klaasend!

[cece]

Screen shot of them leaving the casino:

[AZSunny]

Sorry if this has already been posted....part of the tape shows Stephany walking into the casino, and then shows Joran and Stephany walking out of the casino.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/37550183#37550183

The brief glimpse of him with his shirt off getting his medical exam is in this film.  It appears to show scratch marks on both sides of his chest, near his shoulders. Maybe Klaas can do a screen capture, I would if I could!

[Windsor]

Hi everyone -- best blog ever ...

My question -- Does a traveler need a passport or visa to travel from Peru to Chile?  If so, how did he get into Chile, with his passport back at the hotel?  Has getting from South America country to country changed like it has in Europe, where you don't even stop anymore? 

[Nut44x4]

I always wondered why they put suspects in bulletproof vests.  Anyone w/ a good aim could pop em' right between the eyes...or the back of the head, depending on which way they are facing the gunman.

[klaasend]

Sorry if this has already been posted....part of the tape shows Stephany walking into the casino, and then shows Joran and Stephany walking out of the casino.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/37550183#37550183

The brief glimpse of him with his shirt off getting his medical exam is in this film.  It appears to show scratch marks on both sides of his chest, near his shoulders. Maybe Klaas can do a screen capture, I would if I could!

[MsVada]

Joran more likely attempted sex (she was found in her underwear) but Stephany fought him...resisted him.  We know from his talking to the guy from PR earlier in the evening that Joran was looking to pick up a female.  The resistance could have been the trigger for the rage.

I just can't help but think that a very similar occurance happened between Joran and Natalee. I'm sure most monkeys know this, but as a reminder, in reading about date rape drugs this evening, on of the possible effects is "seizures".

If I remember correctly puzzler, Natalie's mother stated one time that she had a seizure disorder. If that is right then stress or fear may have triggered a seizure for her and not the drug.

You're not remembering correctly.  Natalee NEVER had a seizure disorder.  It's been stated many, many, many times by her family members most especially Beth.

Okay, then how did the seizure come up early in the case? He had to have seen her have a seizure for that to come out. I have not kept up with this case as well as I have the KC case, and I hate it I put this out there when it was not true.

I have been on SM since before this case broke 5 years ago,  I mostly lurk but I'm here and read.  I NEVER remember Natalee having a seziure disorder....If she did, she would be on medication for it and I don't remember her needing medication for that.  Sorry....

[klaasend]

Hi everyone -- best blog ever ...

My question -- Does a traveler need a passport or visa to travel from Peru to Chile?  If so, how did he get into Chile, with his passport back at the hotel?  Has getting from South America country to country changed like it has in Europe, where you don't even stop anymore? 

Windsor - good to see you!  I'm not positive on that but if it's anything like the US border, there are ways to get around it.

[klaasend]

Joran more likely attempted sex (she was found in her underwear) but Stephany fought him...resisted him.  We know from his talking to the guy from PR earlier in the evening that Joran was looking to pick up a female.  The resistance could have been the trigger for the rage.

I just can't help but think that a very similar occurance happened between Joran and Natalee. I'm sure most monkeys know this, but as a reminder, in reading about date rape drugs this evening, on of the possible effects is "seizures".

If I remember correctly puzzler, Natalie's mother stated one time that she had a seizure disorder. If that is right then stress or fear may have triggered a seizure for her and not the drug.

You're not remembering correctly.  Natalee NEVER had a seizure disorder.  It's been stated many, many, many times by her family members most especially Beth.

Okay, then how did the seizure come up early in the case? He had to have seen her have a seizure for that to come out. I have not kept up with this case as well as I have the KC case, and I hate it I put this out there when it was not true.

I have been on SM since before this case broke 5 years ago,  I mostly lurk but I'm here and read.  I NEVER remember Natalee having a seziure disorder....If she did, she would be on medication for it and I don't remember her needing medication for that.  Sorry....

Natalee did NOT ever have a seizure disorder of any kind.  There was talk that she may have had a sinus infection and could have had some medication with her on the trip for that.