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« Reply #1180 on: June 25, 2010, 09:57:35 PM »

I also heard today on one of the talk shows, and I believe it was Shephard Smith's show, that Terri was Bio mom and Dads babysitter before Kyron was born...bio mom was pregnant with Kyron when she and bio dad separated...also the reason that  bio dad ended up with Kyron vs the mom was because bio mom had a lot of medical bills for some reason and it was decided that bio dad was better off caring for Kyron....did anyone else hear this today?? I thought that it had cleared up some of my questions as to why bio mom did not have custody...so, did Terri take care of an older child that the couple had, either with another person or with each other since Kyron was not born yet...or is this another example of bad reporting? so much out there, hard to know what is fact and what is not!
My understanding of the situation is that Desiree and Kaine had marital troubles and had planned to divorce.  Then Desiree got pregnant.  At 8 months pregnant, she left Kaine.  At some point she filed a restraining order because she was scared he would remove the children from her home.  The judge ruled neither party could remove the children without consent from the other.  Desiree had some trouble with her kidneys.  I've read she needed a kidney transplant.  I've read she went to Canada to have treatment (I don't know why Canada).  During this time she left Kyron with Kaine and Terri.  When she returned from her medical procedures she owed $30K for them and moved in with her parents and felt Kyron would be better off with KH and TH. 

I don't know how accurate any of this info is.  Most of it may be rumor.  At this point I can't remember what is FACT and what is RUMOR.  Sorry!

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« Reply #1181 on: June 25, 2010, 10:02:51 PM »

thanks New Monkey! hard to know what is truth or fiction...sigh...
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« Reply #1182 on: June 25, 2010, 10:06:11 PM »


My understanding of the situation is that Desiree and Kaine had marital troubles and had planned to divorce.  Then Desiree got pregnant.  At 8 months pregnant, she left Kaine.  At some point she filed a restraining order because she was scared he would remove the children from her home.  The judge ruled neither party could remove the children without consent from the other.  Desiree had some trouble with her kidneys.  I've read she needed a kidney transplant.  I've read she went to Canada to have treatment (I don't know why Canada).  During this time she left Kyron with Kaine and Terri.  When she returned from her medical procedures she owed $30K for them and moved in with her parents and felt Kyron would be better off with KH and TH. 

I don't know how accurate any of this info is.  Most of it may be rumor.  At this point I can't remember what is FACT and what is RUMOR.  Sorry!


I want to add that I don't know if she "felt" Kyron would be better off or if she had $30K in medical bills and couldn't afford to fight for him.  I don't know why Kyron stayed with KH and TH after she returned to America.
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« Reply #1183 on: June 25, 2010, 10:20:10 PM »

Raw complete Full interview video:

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 

Sorry Cartfly, didn't know you posted the clip. This is very fluid seeing Kaine upfront answering questions.
The comments are interesting from the locals.
I think I posted an article you had already posted this morning too, LOL.
I think I have to retract my opinion of "no emotion" from Dad. In this video, I did see some emotion. It was in another video I saw some wheres today that I can not find again. Dad seems very serious in (a business like way) but I think he is really hurting inside from viewing the video. I do feel like he knows more than he is saying though.

I agree. He may be very self-disciplined.  I do not buy the ice cream story. Do they usually eat ice cream before supper?
They both waited at the Bus stop?  Men do not have patience to wait for a bus especially when his wife was there, that is off.

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« Reply #1184 on: June 25, 2010, 10:23:03 PM »

Bombshell tonight.....(sorry I couldn't resist)




http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/


BY JAMES PITKIN | jpitkin at wweek dot com

[June 23rd, 2010]

In the nearly three weeks since Kyron Horman disappeared, law enforcement officials, reporters and thousands of online commenters have focused their attention on the 7-year-old boy’s fractured family.

The Sunday Oregonian devoted its front page June 20 to a story detailing relations between the boy’s biological mother and stepfather, who live in Medford, and his father and stepmom, who lived with Kyron in Portland. The headline called them a “close, supportive group.”

But a WW review of dozens of court documents paints a very different portrait. These documents reveal a family that has at times been divided by rocky divorce, suspicion and—in the case of one uncle—sex abuse.

This side of the family’s history takes on new emphasis as the investigation into the boy’s June 4 disappearance from Skyline Elementary School drags on. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, sources in law enforcement say investigators are increasingly focusing on the stepmom’s whereabouts the day Kyron vanished. She’s the last person known to have seen the boy.

When he disappeared, Kyron was living with his father, Kaine Horman, and stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, at their $292,000 home off secluded Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. Kaine Horman is an Intel engineer who made $90,000 back in 2002, according to court records.

Terri Moulton Horman is a former bodybuilder and ex-teacher who last worked for the Hillsboro School District, state records show. The Oregonian reports she gave birth to Kaine Horman’s daughter, Kiara, in December 2008.

Kaine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences.

What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad.

At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent.


According to Washington County Circuit Court records, Terri Moulton Horman has been married twice before and has a 16-year-old son, James Moulton, from her first marriage. She married her second husband, Richard Ecker, in 1996. He adopted James in 1998, court records show.

Three years later, they filed for divorce. At the time the couple agreed James would stay with Terri Moulton Horman and visit Ecker three times a week. “I love him very much, and he calls me dad and always has,” Ecker wrote in court records.

Although it’s not been made public, court records reveal that in 2008—a year after she married Kaine Horman—Terri Moulton Horman wrote the court, saying Ecker had ceased all contact with the family for three years. Washington County ordered him to start paying $493 a month, and the issue has since faded from the public record.

That same year, Kaine Horman’s brother, Kristian Horman, was arrested for child molestation.

Snohomish County Superior Court records say Kristian Horman, 32, was living with his girlfriend, her mother and his 1-year-old son in Bothell, Wash. On Oct. 24, 2008, the daughter of Kristian Horman’s ex-wife stayed at his house while his girlfriend was out of town. The records say Kristian Horman invited the girl, who was 15, to sleep in his bed. He massaged her back, then began rubbing her crotch. The girl left the bed and called her mother, and Kristian Horman apologized.

When police interviewed him, Kristian Horman at first said he was asleep and couldn’t remember what had happened. Finally he confessed, according to court records, saying he was trying to “arouse and initiate relations” with the girl.

Police asked Kristian Horman what he was thinking about after the girl pulled away. He then revealed there was a history of abuse in the Horman family, court records show, and said his grandfather had abused him.

“He indicated that he was thinking about all the stuff his grandfather had done to him,” the court records say, “and remembering how he felt during the time.” Kristian Horman was sentenced June 16 to six months in jail.



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« Reply #1185 on: June 25, 2010, 10:26:49 PM »

Oops, thanks New Monkey, I see you answered Cookies questions. Thanks Smile
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« Reply #1186 on: June 25, 2010, 10:29:42 PM »


My understanding of the situation is that Desiree and Kaine had marital troubles and had planned to divorce.  Then Desiree got pregnant.  At 8 months pregnant, she left Kaine.  At some point she filed a restraining order because she was scared he would remove the children from her home.  The judge ruled neither party could remove the children without consent from the other.  Desiree had some trouble with her kidneys.  I've read she needed a kidney transplant.  I've read she went to Canada to have treatment (I don't know why Canada).  During this time she left Kyron with Kaine and Terri.  When she returned from her medical procedures she owed $30K for them and moved in with her parents and felt Kyron would be better off with KH and TH. 

I don't know how accurate any of this info is.  Most of it may be rumor.  At this point I can't remember what is FACT and what is RUMOR.  Sorry!


I want to add that I don't know if she "felt" Kyron would be better off or if she had $30K in medical bills and couldn't afford to fight for him.  I don't know why Kyron stayed with KH and TH after she returned to America.
Maybe they didn't want to keep shuffling Kyron around since he was probably just getting settled in and I bet Desiree's health issues were a big factor.
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« Reply #1187 on: June 25, 2010, 10:34:41 PM »

Raw complete Full interview video:

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 

Thanks! I will watch it tonight after my children go to bed. Uggh this case is just sickening. The thought of this poor little timid, shy boy being taken like this, possibly hurt or worse is just too much for me to take. Who ever took him needs to have every day for the rest of life just pure hell on earth.
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« Reply #1188 on: June 25, 2010, 10:54:30 PM »

My apologies if posted already:

Kyron among 591 missing Oregon children

by Kyle Iboshi, KGW Staff

kgw.com

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 6:53 AM

Updated Wednesday, Jun 23 at 3:15 PM
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    PORTLAND -- The disappearance of seven year-old Kyron Horman is attracting widespread publicity. But, there are many other missing children who don't draw the same headlines.

According to Oregon State Police, there are 591 missing children in the state. Washington reports 1,114 children are reported missing.

Investigators said that, in roughly 95-97% of the cases, the missing children were runaways. Two- to three-percent involved custody issues. But occasionally, there were a few cases like Kyron Horman where a child disappears due to unknown circumstances. The second grader was last seen inside Skyline School on June 4th.

Background: Kyron Horman case

Starr Lara said she understands the pain of not knowing. Her sister Jaime Grissim was last seen headed to Fort Vancouver High School in December of 1971. "You know it is just grief every day. It is very painful. And I think families can accept a lot of things but not knowing, that is really hard," she said.

Community response will always be an important factor, according to police. If neighbors pull together by printing posters and getting the word out, a case will likely receive a lot more attention and potentially more clues.

http://www.kgw.com/home/591-children-missing-in-OR-1114-in-WA-96973329.html
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« Reply #1189 on: June 25, 2010, 11:15:36 PM »

Was Wyks on to something????? This is very disturbing. (I need to google Club Sesso for more info here.) If you haven't read this article below yet:

(from comments on Blink.com)

http://www.oregonlive.com/O/index.ssf/2010/04/sex_and_the_city_of_portland.html 
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« Reply #1190 on: June 25, 2010, 11:50:55 PM »

Praying for sweet Kyron to come home soon.
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« Reply #1191 on: June 26, 2010, 12:21:34 AM »

Apparently, I have been living in a cave all my life! I just went to "Club Sesso's" website and I am officially nauseous and bewildered. (monkey shaking head with disbelief) And this is legal?
I am no prude but what the hell has happened to society?

And Oregon wonders why they have so many SO's and perverts? I always wondered about the lax sentences in that state.

This has touched on my deepest fears even if it has no relation to Kyron's disappearing, I fear for all the children of Oregon.
I know this club is supposed to be for "21 year olds and up" but I think this kind of behavior just fuels deviant sexual desires/fantasy that eventually involve children in some people.
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« Reply #1192 on: June 26, 2010, 09:03:46 AM »

Apparently, I have been living in a cave all my life! I just went to "Club Sesso's" website and I am officially nauseous and bewildered. (monkey shaking head with disbelief) And this is legal?
I am no prude but what the hell has happened to society?

And Oregon wonders why they have so many SO's and perverts? I always wondered about the lax sentences in that state.

This has touched on my deepest fears even if it has no relation to Kyron's disappearing, I fear for all the children of Oregon.
I know this club is supposed to be for "21 year olds and up" but I think this kind of behavior just fuels deviant sexual desires/fantasy that eventually involve children in some people.
And the club is owned by Ron Jeremy the porn king. Portland sure has a lot of strip clubs.
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« Reply #1193 on: June 26, 2010, 09:31:55 AM »

Good Morning all... Still no news. I have been seeing comments about Club Sesso. What does this have to do with Kyron? Is there any proof that anyone in his family were a member of this club? It just sounds like more fodder for the rumor mill. These cases make it difficult to decipher fact from fiction with all of the accusations flying around without anything to back them.  Again I don't mean to sound peevish but Kyron deserves focus on him and help in discovering the truth. 

Some facts:

Kyron said goodbye to dad during his a.m. chore of feeding the cat.
Kyron's dad went to work in a.m.
Kyron's stepmom drove Kyron and his project to school in the truck. The reason I say truck is because LE sent out a flier asking people if they saw the truck which leads me to believe she drove it that morning.
The PTA president arrived aprox. 8:15 and saw Kyron and his step-mom sometime around then, she stated that the stepmom took a pic of Kyron in front of his project. (somewhere between 8:15 and ? the teacher claims to have seen the stepmom and Kyron , two other teachers also saw them)
What time did the teacher head back to her class? The automatic bell rang at 8:45, the busses arrived sometime before that. When was roll call taken that day?  I will see if I can find something on that. The stepmom needs to have some witnesses step forward if she ran errands that morning someone had to have seen her. Who was watching her little girl? What time did she pick her little girl up?

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« Reply #1194 on: June 26, 2010, 09:33:13 AM »

oops please always excuse my grammar and spelling... I need to proofread!
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« Reply #1195 on: June 26, 2010, 09:45:17 AM »

Kyron Horman's parents reveal new details in interviews; mystery of boy's whereabouts remains
Published: Friday, June 25, 2010, 8:16 PM     Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 10:44 PM


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html

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Young and Horman repeatedly described their son as a kind, intelligent boy with a silly sense of humor. He loves to make funny faces and be outdoors, they said, and has an infectious belly laugh. "He's the boy you hope to have when you're a father," Horman said.

The last time he talked to his son, he told Kyron he was proud of him.

"When I saw him that morning, I was on my way to work," Horman said. "He was out feeding our cat, heading back inside. Just gave each other a big hug, told him to have a great day at the science fair with his project, that I was proud of him for all the effort and just the amazing project he put together and to just have a wonderful day."

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« Reply #1196 on: June 26, 2010, 09:48:51 AM »

Good Morning all... Still no news. I have been seeing comments about Club Sesso. What does this have to do with Kyron? Is there any proof that anyone in his family were a member of this club? It just sounds like more fodder for the rumor mill. These cases make it difficult to decipher fact from fiction with all of the accusations flying around without anything to back them.  Again I don't mean to sound peevish but Kyron deserves focus on him and help in discovering the truth. 

Some facts:

Kyron said goodbye to dad during his a.m. chore of feeding the cat.
Kyron's dad went to work in a.m.
Kyron's stepmom drove Kyron and his project to school in the truck. The reason I say truck is because LE sent out a flier asking people if they saw the truck which leads me to believe she drove it that morning.
The PTA president arrived aprox. 8:15 and saw Kyron and his step-mom sometime around then, she stated that the stepmom took a pic of Kyron in front of his project. (somewhere between 8:15 and ? the teacher claims to have seen the stepmom and Kyron , two other teachers also saw them)
What time did the teacher head back to her class? The automatic bell rang at 8:45, the busses arrived sometime before that. When was roll call taken that day?  I will see if I can find something on that. The stepmom needs to have some witnesses step forward if she ran errands that morning someone had to have seen her. Who was watching her little girl? What time did she pick her little girl up?



Newfie,

Could you kindly tell me what "window" as to when Kyron went missing? was it fifteen minutes?  8:45-09:00?  or do we not know?

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« Reply #1197 on: June 26, 2010, 09:56:00 AM »

Sorry, Newfie, I found a link


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If both the 8:45am and 9:00am times and stories are correct, We must believe Kyron just stood alone in the hallway for 15 minutes after telling his stepmother he was going to his classroom and while walking down the stairs he simply disappeared from the face of the earth. The perpetrator of this crime wants us to believe this and will come out fighting to defend it.

9:00am was the scheduled time for all of the children to be in their classes. If Kyron had told his step mother he was going to his class at 8:45am. There must be a reason Kyron never got to his classroom. Did Kyron wander? No, of course not.  snip....

http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html
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« Reply #1198 on: June 26, 2010, 10:03:46 AM »

I was just reading comments on Blink's site, and excuse me for asking who is Lisa?  Somewhere along the way I missed this person, thank-you.
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« Reply #1199 on: June 26, 2010, 10:09:17 AM »

I was just reading comments on Blink's site, and excuse me for asking who is Lisa?  Somewhere along the way I missed this person, thank-you.
I guess that Lisa is Tanner's mom?
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