Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[klaasend]

Greta's covering just ended.

Joran said in confession that he was enraged by Stephany being in his laptop and asking about Natalee. He started yelling at her and she tried to leave. He grabbed her to prevent her from leaving and asphyxiated her.

My comments: I wonder if he accounted for the other bruises?

They will know if anyone was searching files on his computer during that time.  Also, why then wasn't she wearing any pants? 

[Bearlyhere]

How does it work with the extortion case? After he serves his time in Peru will he be extradicted to the US when Beth takes him to court? If not he will be arrested when he walks out of prison... if he's still alive then.
And seems like Arube wants justice to save face now and might bring charges on something else?

Not only  is aruba backtracking so is Lawyer lackofpenis backtracking.States on tv jvds is not the kid he met 5 yrs ago.Liar liar pants on fire lackofpenis now trying to grow cojones i think not....

Hi Sandy!

He is admitting Joran fooled him 5 years ago, this does not happen overnight.  He had already killed his dog and disappeared Natalee before JT met him.  Is that what he considers a nice kid?  JT is not as smart as he thinks he is.  He's the same guy, JT, only this time he admitted it and Papa was not there to retract it.  What story would you have told if you had gotten him to zip his mouth before he confessed?  You could not control him then and you cannot control him now. 

[jjayinthemorning]

Greta's covering just ended.

Joran said in confession that he was enraged by Stephany being in his laptop and asking about Natalee. He started yelling at her and she tried to leave. He grabbed her to prevent her from leaving and asphyxiated her.

My comments: I wonder if he accounted for the other bruises?

Yeah, this is where his story will fall apart because he lies.
If he asphyxiated her then why the tennis racket?
Now the statements about how he shook Natalie and tried to revive her make me think he toys with the body. He's a sicko.

[camochance]

Greta's covering just ended.

Joran said in confession that he was enraged by Stephany being in his laptop and asking about Natalee. He started yelling at her and she tried to leave. He grabbed her to prevent her from leaving and asphyxiated her.

My comments: I wonder if he accounted for the other bruises?

And no mention of FBI's responsibility...

[Rob]

heh. Yep.
But I'm sure the government and LE looked into his money movement. Papa surely hid it from Beth because he knew his kid would mess up eventually. He had to protect his wife and leave her with some security. We'll never know how he did that.

he came up with 50k to bribe two cops, and he was part of a government imminent domain land deal in holland - he has money and it will soon be separated from his cold dead hands. lol

[klaasend]

New member posting at RU:

Reader  PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:32 pm         

Hello to all, this is my first post in this board. Please excuse any mistakes in my use of English as it is not my native language.

I understand the importance that people in the United States or Europe give to a confession in a criminal case. Not long ago it was considered "the queen of evidence" in Peruvian criminal law too, but that changed with the new Penal Code of 2004. So now the confession only has evidential value (that is, it will be admitted in a trial) when it is confirmed with any other, or others, elements of proof (Article 160 of the Code).

Mr. Van der Sloot confession should be put in that context.

That is why, I think, the Peruvian prosecution is preparing a case that will include other physical and circumstancial evidence, of which in my opinion this case has plenty, some of it already known by the public opinion, some of it not yet.

Reader  PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:44 pm         


Thanks for the welcome. Smile

Yes, as far as I know the investigation is a work in progress yet, of which Mr. Van der Sloot's confession is just a part.

From what is known of Miss Flores necropsy, I see elements to charge the suspect with what is established in Article 107 of the Penal Code, "Homicidio Calificado-Asesinato" (something akin to what in the United States is known as First Degree Murder, I think), because, in my opinion, from the injuries in the victim's body it can be established that the perpetrator acted "con gran crueldad" ("with great cruelty").

But, again, this is just my opinion, and the definitive charge, or charges, will be known when the prosecution ends its work.

[TURBOTHINK]

Yeah, this is where his story will fall apart because he lies.
If he asphyxiated her then why the tennis racket?
Now the statements about how he shook Natalie and tried to revive her make me think he toys with the body. He's a sicko.

WHY all the blood? WHY the broken neck? He will do himself in with his lies.

[Tylergal]

How does it work with the extortion case? After he serves his time in Peru will he be extradicted to the US when Beth takes him to court? If not he will be arrested when he walks out of prison... if he's still alive then.
And seems like Arube wants justice to save face now and might bring charges on something else?

Not only  is aruba backtracking so is Lawyer lackofpenis backtracking.States on tv jvds is not the kid he met 5 yrs ago.Liar liar pants on fire lackofpenis now trying to grow cojones i think not....

Hi, Sandy, good to see you.  Tacopenis probably called Joran wanting to represent him and Joran told him to F....off, and now Tacopenis has changed his mind about Joran since there are no funds forthcoming to his coffers.

[crazybabyborg]

Greta's covering just ended.

Joran said in confession that he was enraged by Stephany being in his laptop and asking about Natalee. He started yelling at her and she tried to leave. He grabbed her to prevent her from leaving and asphyxiated her.

My comments: I wonder if he accounted for the other bruises?

They will know if anyone was searching files on his computer during that time.  Also, why then wasn't she wearing any pants? 

Exactly. Joran's lying. His lips moved and another hobgoblin fell out.

Thank you Klaas, BTW, for getting things so we can be here! You're the bestest!!!

[Rob]

Here is the article about the two Columbian Girls.

http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2F

The South American media following the reports about Joran van der Sloot in quick succession. In Colombia the police launched an investigation into the disappearance of two young women from a casino in Bogóta. Their disappearance coincided with the stay of Joran van der Sloot in Bogota between 6 and May 14.

Van der Sloot according to the Bogata newspaper is on various security monitoring of the major casinos in town at the same time as the missing girls. The girls visited the same casinos as Van der Sloot who spent two days in hotels in the Colombian capital. Neither of the girls have been seen since that date.

TJ could be wrong, I was just relating what he told me and the chain of how it all happened.

I do wonder this - if these girls were missing - how come there is no video yet of them, and no video of them with Joran - or their names? That raises a red flag for me.

who knows - guess we'll see.

[Anna]

It's apparent to anyone who has eyes to see that this is no ordinary criminal and no ordinary temper.  Let him out the door and he will murder again.  It was cruel and inhumane.  He will go to Alabama to prison if and when he gets out of Peru, he will never be a free man again if they look at the brutality in the way he committed the murder.

LOL - he will "wish" for his days back in a Peruvian prison if he goes to an Alabama prison. We Southerners have our own "code of justice".................

Turbo, Where is the federal prison in Alabama?  The only one I can think of is the one on Maxwell Air Force base and it has a freaking golf couurse for the prisoners!   Maybe he would end up in the one in Atlanta?

But it's federal and not state extortion charges so I don't think he will be at Atmore or whatever that one is in South AL.  Is the one in Atlanta where he would go for cxrime in Birmingham?

[Tylergal]

Yes, they have him for murder during a robbery which carries their highst sentencing but now all these "mitigating" factors are coming into play.  And pot was said to be one of them.  Grand theft auto, kidnapping but we have empty roofie wrappers and this has become so crazy I have to wonder if that entitles him to more time off, lol, for the use of date rape drugs if pot does.

It's becomeing almost as surreal as the early days in Aruba!  Much more so than it seemed it would at first.  Guess I was just expecting things to be so different this time.

AMEN

[TURBOTHINK]

Greta's covering just ended.

Joran said in confession that he was enraged by Stephany being in his laptop and asking about Natalee. He started yelling at her and she tried to leave. He grabbed her to prevent her from leaving and asphyxiated her.

My comments: I wonder if he accounted for the other bruises?

And no mention of FBI's responsibility...

What would be the FBI's responsibility? I don't get that...............

They could do NOTHING because of the interference and road blocks put up by the Aruba officials. I believe the Aruba officials even tipped off Joran while the FBI was getting their warrants. that the FBI was coming to arrest him and that is why he ran to Bogata when he did.

[Tylergal]

It's apparent to anyone who has eyes to see that this is no ordinary criminal and no ordinary temper.  Let him out the door and he will murder again.  It was cruel and inhumane.  He will go to Alabama to prison if and when he gets out of Peru, he will never be a free man again if they look at the brutality in the way he committed the murder.

LOL - he will "wish" for his days back in a Peruvian prison if he goes to an Alabama prison. We Southerners have our own "code of justice".................

Turbo, Where is the federal prison in Alabama?  The only one I can think of is the one on Maxwell Air Force base and it has a freaking golf couurse for the prisoners!   Maybe he would end up in the one in Atlanta?

But it's federal and not state extortion charges so I don't think he will be at Atmore or whatever that one is in South AL.  Is the one in Atlanta where he would go for cxrime in Birmingham?

Federal prison sentences are not necessarily based on the state in which they were committed, so because he committed this crime against a person in Alabama, does not mean he would do his time at Maxwell, but where there is an availability based on his crime.  White collar crimes (mostly) go to Maxwell, i.e., Watergate.  I would think he would go somewhere like Atlanta or Fort Knox.

[Tylergal]

Greta's covering just ended.

Joran said in confession that he was enraged by Stephany being in his laptop and asking about Natalee. He started yelling at her and she tried to leave. He grabbed her to prevent her from leaving and asphyxiated her.

My comments: I wonder if he accounted for the other bruises?

And no mention of FBI's responsibility...

What would be the FBI's responsibility? I don't get that...............

They could do NOTHING because of the interference and road blocks put up by the Aruba officials. I believe the Aruba officials even tipped off Joran while the FBI was getting their warrants. that the FBI was coming to arrest him and that is why he ran to Bogata when he did.

The FBI COULD NOT have arrested Joran in Aruba on the sting operation without the consent or word from Aruban police.  They were supposed to watch Joran or arrest him and not allow him to leave the country.  Alas, they probably bought him an airline ticket.

[jjayinthemorning]

Yeah, this is where his story will fall apart because he lies.
If he asphyxiated her then why the tennis racket?
Now the statements about how he shook Natalie and tried to revive her make me think he toys with the body. He's a sicko.

WHY all the blood? WHY the broken neck? He will do himself in with his lies.

Overkill. He gets off on his power over these drugged young women. His helpless dog, Natalie passed out, he acts like a tough guy infront of the Kalpoes as some kind of strength, and with Stephany... maybe he felt intimidated by her knowledge of his background that he called his "private life".
But I think Stephany fought back and that's how he got caught.
And I totally agree, his lies will fry him.

[Rob]

New member posting at RU:

Reader  PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:32 pm         

Hello to all, this is my first post in this board. Please excuse any mistakes in my use of English as it is not my native language.

I understand the importance that people in the United States or Europe give to a confession in a criminal case. Not long ago it was considered "the queen of evidence" in Peruvian criminal law too, but that changed with the new Penal Code of 2004. So now the confession only has evidential value (that is, it will be admitted in a trial) when it is confirmed with any other, or others, elements of proof (Article 160 of the Code).

Mr. Van der Sloot confession should be put in that context.

That is why, I think, the Peruvian prosecution is preparing a case that will include other physical and circumstancial evidence, of which in my opinion this case has plenty, some of it already known by the public opinion, some of it not yet.

Reader  PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:44 pm         


Thanks for the welcome. Smile

Yes, as far as I know the investigation is a work in progress yet, of which Mr. Van der Sloot's confession is just a part.

From what is known of Miss Flores necropsy, I see elements to charge the suspect with what is established in Article 107 of the Penal Code, "Homicidio Calificado-Asesinato" (something akin to what in the United States is known as First Degree Murder, I think), because, in my opinion, from the injuries in the victim's body it can be established that the perpetrator acted "con gran crueldad" ("with great cruelty").

But, again, this is just my opinion, and the definitive charge, or charges, will be known when the prosecution ends its work.

a confession must be back by evidence in the US as well, hence Mark Carr.

[TURBOTHINK]

It's apparent to anyone who has eyes to see that this is no ordinary criminal and no ordinary temper.  Let him out the door and he will murder again.  It was cruel and inhumane.  He will go to Alabama to prison if and when he gets out of Peru, he will never be a free man again if they look at the brutality in the way he committed the murder.

LOL - he will "wish" for his days back in a Peruvian prison if he goes to an Alabama prison. We Southerners have our own "code of justice".................

Turbo, Where is the federal prison in Alabama?  The only one I can think of is the one on Maxwell Air Force base and it has a freaking golf couurse for the prisoners!   Maybe he would end up in the one in Atlanta?

But it's federal and not state extortion charges so I don't think he will be at Atmore or whatever that one is in South AL.  Is the one in Atlanta where he would go for cxrime in Birmingham?

I would guess the one at Talladega - it is not known as a "golf club" ................too many "good ole boys" there.

[Scatty]

Greta's covering just ended.

Joran said in confession that he was enraged by Stephany being in his laptop and asking about Natalee. He started yelling at her and she tried to leave. He grabbed her to prevent her from leaving and asphyxiated her.

My comments: I wonder if he accounted for the other bruises?

I think he's lying through his teeth again. Although there might be a grain of truth buried in all his garbage. He did say that Stephanie was afraid and wanted to leave; that part I think may have been true. But this sociopath feeds on fear I think, because it strokes his ego and excites him. I believe it's likely he showed her stuff about himself on his laptop; he's "famous" after all! He wanted her fear, and he wanted some kind of negative reaction from her, giving him in his sick twisted mind an excuse to go off on her. After all, it was the anniversary of his beginning of his fame. He had to commemorate it in an appropriate manner. But being totally self-indulgent and having never to clean up his messes before, didn't think to far in advance of just the thrill of the moment. Poor little Joran had to try to cover this one up on his own since Daddy was dead. And that's where his little fantasy fell apart, thankfully. IMO

[TexasRick007]

I would love for this image to be shown on the TV talkshows - thanks again Klass. I've cropped it and blown it up... and will forward to the different networks.

For those who haven't seen this, the (then) hired spokesman for Aruban tourism, Steven Cohen, is seen here at the beginning of a press conference in front of Aruba's KIA prison. It's on the occasion of Joran's release. He is first seen opening the prison door, then doing this presser.  A happy time for everyone, apparently.

This is the one image that has burned in my brain - how absolutely stupid and incompetent and cruel these people are to celebrate the release of a murder suspect.  In the one image, you 'get' what's wrong with Aruban LE, judiciary and tourism PR (hello, Julia Renfro). Along with Joran, they have the blood of Stefany Flores on their hands.