Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[AZLady]

Have a good night, everyone.

Night, Darleen.  It's several hours earlier here in the West, so I have a bit more time.  Sleep well.

[crazybabyborg]

Have a good night, everyone.

Night darleen!! I haven't had a chance to say hellooo! Nice to see you!

[carpe noctem]

Have a good night, everyone.

Night darleen!! I haven't had a chance to say hellooo! Nice to see you!

Sleep tight, Darleen.

[AZLady]

CBB, I haven't heard or read that there is an official site for condolences.  Let me know if you find one.

[AZLady]

I kind of miss being able to see who is logged into the forum.  It was nice to know who was lurking and maybe engage them in convo.  Now, people need to say goodnight when they leave or we don't know if they are still here or not.  Oh, well.  Progress.

[Shell]

Wow, this photo has the wrong caption on it, but what irony!

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6021843-vandersloot-confesses-to-ramirez-how-many-more-has-he-killed/image/57034018

[Sleuth]

TURBOTHINK, I believe you and Rick of Texas and I might be the only ones who believe this is possible, but these are sick people doing sick things, sicker than the average mind can imagine and the reason we do not want to think about it, is that is so beyond what the normal person thinks of, but I have worked with porno rehabilitation in our area (not because I have any experience (LOL) but because our church is working with the porno addicts in the area and this is not beyond the pale, and even people you would never think of thinking of things like this.  Drugs can do strange things to otherwise good people (which the Sloots are not, but that is beside the point) and I do believe she is on film somewhere dying and I believe these people are capable of the most moribund and morbid acts.

Ahem!  Tyler, I seem to remember spending endless hours looking on the internet for something, getting my computer hacked and developing eyestrain looking for something to this effect.  I have always thought that 8 minute phone call could well have been a video of Natalee and there was even a big argument here on SM about that.  We looked for places it could have been posted such as to get Dirty Dollars or whatever that BackSeat trash called them.

But wouldn't it be something if there was such on Joran's computer until this day?  And was thought Paulus went to Miami personally to retrieve some sort of video or photographic evidence related to Natalee.

And yes, I do think Joran is stupid enough to actually have something totally incriminating on his computer because he thinks he will never be caught at anything because he sadly thinks he is smarter than everybody else.  That last part is thanks to Anita and his other enablers in Aruba because the boy is not even right in the head.

The Big Hammer wrote the best theory surrounding the 8 minute call - therefore I can't discount it. I can see that happening from that theory.

Yes, The Big Hammer had the "American Pie" theory.. 
(Thank you, Hammer.  I could never forget this, especially after the The Wndmill photos, etc.)

American Pie - ( the Big Hammer)
2005

More than a movie or a "theory?"

IMO, the primary "purpose" of assault was the movie and the pictures. It is in their recorded actions as cognition. It is "what" they do.

I believe the video exists. And they do save their videos:

1. Satish popped the porn dvd in as they drove past LaCabana, and Natalee said she "had enough".
2. NE reporter has beer w/ goon in Netherlands and he pops out PDA and shares porn: "Can I bite you?"
3. The arrest of Freddie and charges sustained against him: the video recording of assault of 16 yr old girl who is slipping in and out of consciousness...
4. After leaving Natalee on beach, what did goon do: he turned on computer to pick up soccer scores and watch porn.
5. The event w/ Bailey and Alyse, a near exact rehearsal for the nite w/ Natalee, there is porn playing on the car's dvd (double screens), as recorded in the pictures we have all seen.

Do you believe all of these to be of "professional" level? I don't, not at all. And there is rumor that some have said a video of Natalee exists and they have seen, girls who local and Aruban.

It is, imo, not just serial killers who keep "trophies" -- serial rapists do as well. And that is who these people are.

If the video was uploaded live (for remote viewing), it is almost certain that a copy exists somewhere in cyberspace. And I believe this is more than likely.

[crazybabyborg]

I've been thinking about Joran casually eating breakfast over Stephany's dead body. This is no one time killer. This is no "temper out of control" young man. Those who have a soul may harm someone, but are apalled at the damage they've caused. Those who have a soul have an underlaying awareness of what is innocent and could never raise a hand to a pet. Joran killed with bare hands........... he felt it. He likes the way it feels, and he likes the intimidation of those things less strong. He gets off on the fear he can cause like it's foreplay.

He isn't sick. He is souless.

[billb's daughter]

FWIW...
Peruvian LE will use any forensics from urine's laptop to firm up their case against urine in the murder of Stephany. Confirm or deny urine's confession that Stephany used his computer to find personal info about Natalee thru fingerprints....etc...
We also heard forensic experts will look for evidence that may prove urine involved in Natalee's disappearance and would undoubtedly capture any other damaging evidence...that may lead to Natalee's fate/remains/other persons involvement/OM-LE/disinfo crew-purcell-renho-caps, etc...
Understandably....powers that be on aruba/NL want to get urine's laptop from Peru LE as soon as possible...under the guise of furthering their investigation of Natalee's disappearance..but we all know that any evidence turned over to aruba will disappear..... 
My guess........Peru will not turn anything of substance over to aruba/NL until they have thoroughly gleamed all .....
My hope.......Peru LE cooperates through Interpol (Who played a role in moving urine from Chile to Peru - and hopefully through urine's interrogations)
with FBI/Beth/JQK to independently (Without aruba/NL involvement) seek venues that can recover Natalee's remains (bring her HOME).
Icing on the cake would be Interpol able to prosecute those responsible in aruba that prevented Justice for Natalee from the start....

[crazybabyborg]

I kind of miss being able to see who is logged into the forum.  It was nice to know who was lurking and maybe engage them in convo.  Now, people need to say goodnight when they leave or we don't know if they are still here or not.  Oh, well.  Progress.

Apparently that went when the avatars were shut down in an effort to keep the forum up and running. All of it will be back when the server is running as it should. My understanding is that they're working on it!

[carpe noctem]

I've been thinking about Joran casually eating breakfast over Stephany's dead body. This is no one time killer. This is no "temper out of control" young man. Those who have a soul may harm someone, but are apalled at the damage they've caused. Those who have a soul have an underlaying awareness of what is innocent and could never raise a hand to a pet. Joran killed with bare hands........... he felt it. He likes the way it feels, and he likes the intimidation of those things less strong. He gets off on the fear he can cause like it's foreplay.

He isn't sick. He is souless.

That is what Paul and Anita get for crowning a kid King... and letting him stomp
around the house, running the place - like he was the Dutch Boy 50 Cent.

At 10 - it`s probably cute. (for a minute)

In his 20`s - It turns into Joran.

[crazybabyborg]

Wow, this photo has the wrong caption on it, but what irony!

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6021843-vandersloot-confesses-to-ramirez-how-many-more-has-he-killed/image/57034018

I need that bug eyed emoticon!!! Wow!

Hi Sleuth! Thanks for posting that! Very interesting, indeed, and I think very possible!

[billb's daughter]

His safety in prison will depend upon the flow of money from his mother.  Now, that will be a real problem for Anita!  I did read they weren't getting along so well after Daddy Sloot died.  She probably thought he should get a job and contribute.  Ha!  That's not happening.  I can see resentment there because we know Paulus left money, but I also think Anita now controls it and she wasn't giving any to Joran.  Probably thought she was trying "tough love".  That wouldn't work on Joran.

AZ, Mommie may send him money, but I'd bet a lot that he won't be able to keep it. That boy is in a heap of trouble in prison, and I think he'll be on his knees whimpering from day one and will stay there until they kill him.

CBB, from what I've read and seen about the prisons there, he is going into hell.  I really don't think he'll survive more than a year.  If the other prisoners don't get him, he'll have to fend off the bad water, lack of sanitation, bad food, tuberculosis and AIDS.  That's a tough order.

The other prisoners will get him.......I just hope it's often and goes on for a looooong time......
After all....urine was voted as 'most deserving' in his high school yearbook by his classmates...
OK...I totally made that last part up....hehehe....

[AZLady]

I agree with several people.  The laptop is key.  Joran's life can be analyzed through that laptop.  I also agree with Hammer that the video was the purpose for Natalee's abduction.  She was supposed to have been left on the beach to come to in the morning, none the wiser, but Natalee didn't stay unconscious and fought them.  I do think the movie or pointers to where it resides are on the laptop.

[crazybabyborg]

FWIW...
Peruvian LE will use any forensics from urine's laptop to firm up their case against urine in the murder of Stephany. Confirm or deny urine's confession that Stephany used his computer to find personal info about Natalee thru fingerprints....etc...
We also heard forensic experts will look for evidence that may prove urine involved in Natalee's disappearance and would undoubtedly capture any other damaging evidence...that may lead to Natalee's fate/remains/other persons involvement/OM-LE/disinfo crew-purcell-renho-caps, etc...
Understandably....powers that be on aruba/NL want to get urine's laptop from Peru LE as soon as possible...under the guise of furthering their investigation of Natalee's disappearance..but we all know that any evidence turned over to aruba will disappear..... 
My guess........Peru will not turn anything of substance over to aruba/NL until they have thoroughly gleamed all .....
My hope.......Peru LE cooperates through Interpol (Who played a role in moving urine from Chile to Peru - and hopefully through urine's interrogations)
with FBI/Beth/JQK to independently (Without aruba/NL involvement) seek venues that can recover Natalee's remains (bring her HOME).
Icing on the cake would be Interpol able to prosecute those responsible in aruba that prevented Justice for Natalee from the start....

Oh, you sweet talker, billb!!

AZ....... that's OK! Joran IS the most deserving!!!

[Shell]

I've been thinking about Joran casually eating breakfast over Stephany's dead body. This is no one time killer. This is no "temper out of control" young man. Those who have a soul may harm someone, but are apalled at the damage they've caused. Those who have a soul have an underlaying awareness of what is innocent and could never raise a hand to a pet. Joran killed with bare hands........... he felt it. He likes the way it feels, and he likes the intimidation of those things less strong. He gets off on the fear he can cause like it's foreplay.

He isn't sick. He is souless.

You described so well what I have been thinking.

[AZLady]

I've been thinking about Joran casually eating breakfast over Stephany's dead body. This is no one time killer. This is no "temper out of control" young man. Those who have a soul may harm someone, but are apalled at the damage they've caused. Those who have a soul have an underlaying awareness of what is innocent and could never raise a hand to a pet. Joran killed with bare hands........... he felt it. He likes the way it feels, and he likes the intimidation of those things less strong. He gets off on the fear he can cause like it's foreplay.

He isn't sick. He is souless.

That is what Paul and Anita get for crowning a kid King... and letting him stomp
around the house, running the place - like he was the Dutch Boy 50 Cent.

At 10 - it`s probably cute. (for a minute)

In his 20`s - It turns into Joran.

They fully knew the extent of his violence.  That's why they moved him to the apartment so he wouldn't hurt his brothers.  They knew.  They are the ones responsible for Joran and his murderous actions.

[billb's daughter]

I'm harping on this, but I really, seriously, want the prison inmate bosses to demand the truth about what happened to Natalee and the location of her remains from Joran. I want them to make clear that if the info they extract from him does not prove true, there will be a mighty price to pay.

That's the only way he'll tell it, IMO. After we get that info and Natalee is at rest at home, I hope they torture him long and hard enough so that he has every opportunity to look up for help.

He'll never walk out alive IMO.

CBB.....From what I've read....Stephany's family are wanting the truth to come out for Natalee's family to get closure.......I truly believe urine will confess/provide that info through 'tough interrogations' before he ends up in prison......

[Sleuth]

Wow, this photo has the wrong caption on it, but what irony!

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6021843-vandersloot-confesses-to-ramirez-how-many-more-has-he-killed/image/57034018

That photo is sad - it is from Stephany's funeral....

[crazybabyborg]

What do you guys think the charges will be? I'm thinking premeditated murder with robbery.