Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[Shell]

REMINDER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T READ BACK

KALPOES - DENIED!   They are basically in contempt of court now for not giving their depositions in California as ordered by the judge.

PRESS CONFERENCE - in Peru at 9am Peru Time which right now is the same as central time.

9am PERU =
7am CALIF =
10am NY


GOODNIGHT ALL!  WHAT A WEEK!

That's for the wrap up, Klaas! Yes............. WOW! What a week!

Where can the press conference be viewed?

[pdh3]

I'm only going to take a guess here about Greta's tirade toward the FBI.  Greta talked to Beth the day this happened with Joran.  She said Beth was devastated that her money allowed Joran to escape to Peru and kill again and the FBI should have arrested him on the spot instead of letting him get away.  Well how do you think Joran was able to get in touch with Beth?  My guess is Joran contacted Greta and Greta was the go between with Joran and Beth.  I read on here yesterday (I think) that the FBI had told Beth to not speak about this.  Could Greta have been dumb enough to supply the money to Beth and John Q. in exchange for an exclusive on the arrest of Joran?  Maybe the money wasn't intended to have been lost forever in Greta's eyes.  Now the money is gone and Greta has no exclusive interview and I would say she is mad as he$$.  JMO 

That makes reasonable sense-when she had the old gang- [ Bernie, Hammer, & Ted ], on the other night I got the impression she had had a personal connection to this somehow.   

I thought the FBI supplied the money. The cash would've been in marked bills.....to easily trace it. That's how LE usually does a sting.

[carpe noctem]

Online I`m not sure... Pretty sure every major tv network will cover it, though.

[AZLady]

FBI said today they did not supply the money and that it came from a private source.  Regardless of where it originated, it is idiotic to attempt a cause/effect reasoning between the money and the murder.  No one, including the FBI, could have guessed the sequence of events to follow in Peru.  It's sadly ironic how events unfolded, but life can be ironic and downright weird at times.  Hindsight is 20/20, but since no one has that vision, then we proceed to act in the best way possible at the time. 

[carpe noctem]

I'm only going to take a guess here about Greta's tirade toward the FBI.  Greta talked to Beth the day this happened with Joran.  She said Beth was devastated that her money allowed Joran to escape to Peru and kill again and the FBI should have arrested him on the spot instead of letting him get away.  Well how do you think Joran was able to get in touch with Beth?  My guess is Joran contacted Greta and Greta was the go between with Joran and Beth.  I read on here yesterday (I think) that the FBI had told Beth to not speak about this.  Could Greta have been dumb enough to supply the money to Beth and John Q. in exchange for an exclusive on the arrest of Joran?  Maybe the money wasn't intended to have been lost forever in Greta's eyes.  Now the money is gone and Greta has no exclusive interview and I would say she is mad as he$$.  JMO 

That makes reasonable sense-when she had the old gang- [ Bernie, Hammer, & Ted ], on the other night I got the impression she had had a personal connection to this somehow.   

I thought the FBI supplied the money. The cash would've been in marked bills.....to easily trace it. That's how LE usually does a sting.

FBI denies reports of payment to van der Sloot

The FBI denied published reports Wednesday that it had paid thousands of dollars in a sting operation to Joran van der Sloot, a suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, and put off arresting him to help build a murder case.

The New York Post and the Associated Press reported Wednesday that van der Sloot reached out to someone close to Holloway's mother about six weeks ago and requested $250,000 in exchange for disclosing the location of the Alabama teenager's body on the island of Aruba. They also reported that the FBI paid van der Sloot $15,000 in the sting, money that he then used to head from Aruba to Peru, where authorities suspect him of killing a young woman.

U.S. officials confirmed that they had been looking into "allegations of criminal conduct" against van der Sloot since April, but they said any money given to the Dutchman came from private funds. They added that the investigation was "not sufficiently developed to bring charges prior to the time van der Sloot left Aruba."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/09/AR2010060906205.html

[AZLady]

Greta is trying to make a story out of something for which no story exists.  Should we blame the FBI for doing their job?  Should we blame Beth for calling the FBI when Joran contacted her?  This is how the media creates drama where none exists.  Life is full of ironies and coincidences--events that make us say what if.  The bottom line is that Greta is in business to make money and that happens when she gets viewers.  She gets viewers with "bombshells" (to quote NG).  It's a media grab for viewers, and really is unprofessional, imho.  Instead of casting blame where it doesn't exist, she should comment on the irony and move on.

[AZLady]

Taking this to the next logical step, I suppose we shouldn't blame Greta for trying to find a story to draw viewers as it is her job, just as the FBI did their job, and JQK did his job, and the Peruvian authorities did their job.  It's the viewers (you and I) who need to do our job and use our brains when listening to media broadcasts.  Unfortunately, we can't trust that everyone who does his/her job proceeds ethically and morally.  Sometimes that all mighty dollar bends the ethics of even well meaning people.

[AZLady]

Sorry for posting so many in a row, but I've been thinking.  The media has blurred the line between news and stories to the point that we are often persuaded to interpret a "story" as news.  This has occurred gradually over the last decades to the point where we can hardly distinguish between news and "stories" about the news.  You used to be able to listen to the evening news and the reporters staked their reputation on reporting the facts as truthfully as they could, avoiding personal interjection and opinion.  At that time, opinion based shows were clearly that and didn't pretend to be news casts.  Today we are so used to these news stories that we have a hard time distinguishing between news and stories.  They look so much alike that it's scary.  Just an observation.  Remember, NG and Greta are not reporting news, but are relating news stories from their own perspective.

[Deenie]

I've been thinking about Joran casually eating breakfast over Stephany's dead body. This is no one time killer. This is no "temper out of control" young man. Those who have a soul may harm someone, but are apalled at the damage they've caused. Those who have a soul have an underlaying awareness of what is innocent and could never raise a hand to a pet. Joran killed with bare hands........... he felt it. He likes the way it feels, and he likes the intimidation of those things less strong. He gets off on the fear he can cause like it's foreplay.

He isn't sick. He is souless.

I totally agree with you CBB. His " getting his is with the kill" and than afterward he can sit and not stir within it ...but relish within it. For anyone to commit Murder with their own hands is sick enough. But for one to stay afterward and actually consume food and drink coffee..as the victim is at their feet. That is CBB a person that is has no conscience, no soul, no human quality within their heart, their being.  No empathy. He I think " Loved the Power" within those moments of Stephany dead at his feet as he drank his coffee.. was said that he was HIGH on smoke whatever  ..during this time.  His Mantra is within his lack of empathy yet it Fueled by the opposite which is - HIM thinking ( I am and All that I am Is bigger than Life) ... That's his bumper sticker.
The true sick thing is about Joran is - He is not alone. So many ppl like him roam this planet- that are older than him and have committed many crimes without being caught. All because they know how to Manipulate people - with their personality, with bribes, with what ever suits the time needed/necessary ..for them to walk away after the fact. That says to me that Joran at the age of 23 - he has many victims. Not just Natalee, nor Stephany. I think he has victims spread out for years ( within the last 5 yrs and even prior to - he has killed) - Girls that do not have a family with resources. Girls from other countries. I do know of the news of the other two girls * brought up within the last few days. I think this goes way beyond Natalee. I think too why he said the name Natalee and accused it as " Stephany was on his laptop" - and found Natalee- his name ... Is a total twisted lie. It was his way of Mocking the Loved ones/LE within the loss of Natalee. He threw her Name into the confession for his own self gratification. It was the anniversary of Natalee's " death" and he tossed in Natalee's name ..within the death of Stephany for his own sh#ts and giggles. He is that twisted. I don't believe for a moment that he caught SF on his laptop - and that gave him reason to go off and kill her.
Ms Flores
* her following him  ( the video) through the lobby of the hotel. She is doing just that she is following him. IF she was a " Girl" that he had romanced for a night within the casino ..and got her to go back to his Hotel Room - She would be walking in front of him. Not behind him.  That would be his way of allowing her to have power within this " flirtation of the night"  - which I don't believe that ever happened (flirting).  I think he took her to his room under pretenses ..of ??? He said to her -I have a laptop that is the Cats azz in my hotel room - that she may have mentioned she was looking to purchase a laptop. She had cash for it. He said I will show it to you. So many things that come up- that are all about exchange of $$$.  Why she was found without clothing on is another ? Did he come back after grabbing 2 coffee's when she was about to jump into the shower ..he came back too soon and caught her off guard. He had something on her or he thought.  He had her Cash/Purse/Jewelry at one point - and She was there maybe not knowing he had taken her money/purse - When he did return with the coffee - she found her Cash Missing and confronted him. She was convenient and helpless and he took her out. He thought she may have been worth more the night before - and it pizzed him off. He found out his bounty was not as big as he first felt. Maybe Stephany said some things about her Father or her family and Joran thought she was able to obtain the money via her own bank accounts.
Was all about money, easy money.
There is to me a total correlation with Natalee and the Date. I think he was very heightened - add drugs and alcohol and he snapped. Stephany was his victim - of everything and all bundled into a vicious brutal beating that took her life. Her lack of no voice " screams to be heard" - he could have easily knocked her out  by slamming her head into something ... prior to everything else he did to her.  He used her as his personal punching bag. This beating he gave this innocent girl was personal - not to her. But to Him, and I think he truly got off on it. The sick Ba@++++ that he is. 
 He though chose the wrong country to Murder a innocent girl, a country that she was native of. I personally don't think that he will leave Peru alive. I don't believe he will withstand his sentence - where it be a year or 35yrs. I think he is a marked Man from the day he killed Ms. Flores. He signed his own death sentence the day she was found. jmo. 
I have no where near the knowledge of the Natalee case as other Monkeys. My thoughts are based upon Stephany's death and I pray for Justice for Both Girls.

[Port Valerie]

I might be the only one still up on the east coast, but I appreciate your reflections.

My theory on Greta is that she has switched over to political commentary. She wants to find a political angle in order to keep covering the story.

Greta owned the Natalee story for many months. Then, for a while there, she carried on with many other missing-person stories. Unfortunately, these stories almost all had unhappy endings and many just drifted away with no clear resolution.

I think Greta wanted to rise above the National Enquirer level and go back to her roots as a legal commentator (remember, she started with the OJ case). More than that even, she wanted to develop as a political commentator.

If she didn't "own" the Natalee story, I don't think she would return to it. She has a new audience now, mostly people who were watching Hannity or other news-talk when she was covering Natalee. Besides, Joran kind of duped her with his phony-baloney interviews.

Finding the political angle and making a federal case out of it, literally, gives Greta a way to keep talking about Natalee in a way that her new audience might accept; at the same time, she is able to stay on the story for those of us who followed so intensely way back when ... and keep her competitors from stealing it out from under her.

[Kermit]

courtesy of blah. Heh Heh

[AZLady]

Excellent analysis, Port Valerie.  Greta took a lot of criticism for following the Holloway case in such depth for so long.  When events in the case slowed down, she needed to move back to political commentary.  Her awful interview with Joran didn't earn her any accolades.  She needs to report to her audience and they expect political coverage with a nod to current events.  I think she felt a need to jump on the story before Nancy Grace and others took it over.  She was too late, of course, and I think she opened her mouth and inserted her foot before realizing the direction this tack took her.

[AZLady]

Kermit, should I recognize that scary fellow in the pic next to Joran?

[AZLady]

Does anyone have a link to the list of items found in Joran's possession when they apprehended him in Chile?  I'm also looking for a link to the list of items found in the the Hotel Tac room 309 with Stephany's body.  I've searched a bit, and know I've seen them, but can't find them now.

[carpe noctem]

Does anyone have a link to the list of items found in Joran's possession when they apprehended him in Chile?  I'm also looking for a link to the list of items found in the the Hotel Tac room 309 with Stephany's body.  I've searched a bit, and know I've seen them, but can't find them now.

Here you go, AZ.

NG Crime Scene Screen Shots 6/7/2010

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8087.new#new

[AZLady]

Thanks, Carpe.  I thought I read somewhere that coffee was spilled in the room.  The list only mentions one cup with coffee residue.  Wonder what happened to the other cup, if there were two cups.

[Shell]

courtesy of blah. Heh Heh

Amazing what cocaine will do to a person...hehe

[Port Valerie]

Excellent analysis, Port Valerie.  Greta took a lot of criticism for following the Holloway case in such depth for so long.  When events in the case slowed down, she needed to move back to political commentary.  Her awful interview with Joran didn't earn her any accolades.  She needs to report to her audience and they expect political coverage with a nod to current events.  I think she felt a need to jump on the story before Nancy Grace and others took it over.  She was too late, of course, and I think she opened her mouth and inserted her foot before realizing the direction this tack took her.

Thanks. That's how I see it.

[Port Valerie]

AZ, you sure are up late, even for the west coast. I will be seeing the sun here before long.

[Port Valerie]

Yep, the early morning garbage truck just came by. I'm signing off. Hello to the morning monkeys.