Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[BUCKSHOT]

From a random article, while surfing...

For Peru, Joran van der Sloot is principally a matter of prestige. His rights and privacy are secondary to the country’s desire to show off to the world with its handling of the Stephany Flores murder case.

According to legal experts, Peru will do all it can to show it is capable of dealing with the ‘murderer’ quickly and efficiently. And the country wants to demonstrate that it’s harder to get away with a crime in Peru than it is in a place like Aruba, which released Joran van der Sloot for lack of evidence in the Holloway case

[Rob]

I have not had a chance to review some of the information that came out overnight.  There was someone coming from Columbia to Peru to talk to Joran about 2 missing girls, then I heard  there's not a problem with the girls in connection with Joran, now I'm picking up that there is a problem.

Would some kind monkey fill me in on what the real skinny is please?  TIA

I related what TJ told me last nite.

here is the post -

The Colombian thing is over. Whatever happened, it's over.

Someone from JVM's show called the governor in the area of Colombia and was told that there is nothing to it.

TJ was there when it happened and he just told me that.

So, like everything, we will see, but this looks reliable.

Rob, what part do you mean looks reliable?  So many distractions now it's hard to follow.


And if they keep reducing Joran's sentence, pretty soon he will be eligible for a reward!

sorry Anna, I'm probably not being very clear - that's my fault. my apologies.

Whatever happened with these young ladies, it's not related to Joran. I don't know much more. TJ said - while he was on the show, someone from Jane's staff called the governor in the area of Colombia where this happened and that person, the Governor - said it's over or not related to Joran.

I just called him back and he also said - there are no girls missing.

Who knows - whatever happened - it's over.

followed up with this -

Here is the article about the two Columbian Girls.

http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2F

The South American media following the reports about Joran van der Sloot in quick succession. In Colombia the police launched an investigation into the disappearance of two young women from a casino in Bogóta. Their disappearance coincided with the stay of Joran van der Sloot in Bogota between 6 and May 14.

Van der Sloot according to the Bogata newspaper is on various security monitoring of the major casinos in town at the same time as the missing girls. The girls visited the same casinos as Van der Sloot who spent two days in hotels in the Colombian capital. Neither of the girls have been seen since that date.

TJ could be wrong, I was just relating what he told me and the chain of how it all happened.

I do wonder this - if these girls were missing - how come there is no video yet of them, and no video of them with Joran - or their names? That raises a red flag for me.

who knows - guess we'll see.

I hope this become clear today.

[ozziesmom]

Anyone recall Stefany's time of death?

Maybe they were both doing drugs from 5am till 8 or so, and he went out to get coffee, she was still alive started surfing the web/checking facebook whatever, while he left to get coffee, caught her on his computer and flipped out like he said, I can believe that...he's nuts

as far as the arguing, that was a pretty cheap hotel, and the reporter that Greta had on said it was an hourly type (if ya know what I mean) maybe there weren't that many people staying there...or in that area of hotel, it looked like the room was at the end of a corrider, since the camera (luckily) was right above his door....

[blah]

I dont believe that the anniversay date is just a coincidence.  This didnt happen because he caught her looking at his laptop.  This was planned out ahead of time, he probably does it every year.

This was premiditated

[wreck]

I dont believe that the anniversay date is just a coincidence.  This didnt happen because he caught her looking at his laptop.  This was planned out ahead of time, he probably does it every year.

This was premiditated

I think so too.

[klaasend]

Anyone recall Stefany's time of death?

Maybe they were both doing drugs from 5am till 8 or so, and he went out to get coffee, she was still alive started surfing the web/checking facebook whatever, while he left to get coffee, caught her on his computer and flipped out like he said, I can believe that...he's nuts

as far as the arguing, that was a pretty cheap hotel, and the reporter that Greta had on said it was an hourly type (if ya know what I mean) maybe there weren't that many people staying there...or in that area of hotel, it looked like the room was at the end of a corrider, since the camera (luckily) was right above his door....

They haven't stated the time of death yet.  We know that it is within a 3 hour time frame but that's about it.

[klaasend]

I dont believe that the anniversay date is just a coincidence.  This didnt happen because he caught her looking at his laptop.  This was planned out ahead of time, he probably does it every year.

This was premiditated

I think so too.

I absolutely agree Wreck and Blah.  I still say he did it out of spite, on the anniversary, because the family and FBI set him up with that sting.  I also believe someone in Aruba tipped him off and told him to get the hell out of "dodge".

[MuffyBee]

I dont believe that the anniversay date is just a coincidence.  This didnt happen because he caught her looking at his laptop.  This was planned out ahead of time, he probably does it every year.

This was premiditated

I think so too.

ITA

[Anna]

TxMom posted an article back about Page 10 or so quoting Aruban Mike Eman and his reaction to this.  His first words were that in america they were "beating" on Aruba!

They never learn.  First concern is tourism and never victims.  Why any American tourists continue to go there defies logic or even the imagination.  I guess now the rates are so cheap is the main reason.

[SunnyinTX]

Interesting.....


Jun 8th 2010 4:45PM
Is Joran van der Sloot a killer?
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The disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba was one of the biggest stories of 2005. Now five years later, the main suspect in her case, Joran van der Sloot, has been arrested for the murder of a different girl.

This time, the crime took place in Peru, where police found 21-year-old Stephany Flores murdered in a hotel room after she was spotted with van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot was never charged in Holloway's disappearance but on the same day he was arrested for Flores' murder, he was also charged with extortion for allegedly offering to give the location of Holloway's body in exchange for $250,000.

The Internet is on fire with questions about van der Sloot, Holloway and Flores. What happened in Aruba five years ago and what did Flores discover in van der Sloot's hotel room that led him to murder? Be sure to take our poll on the right-hand side of the screen and let us know what you think.

We have answers to most of these questions but some are just too bizzare! Have an answer or opinion? Leave a comment to fill us in.

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[SunnyinTX]

the poll mentioned in my last post

Did Joran van der Sloot's new confession surprise you?

 Yes - he's got issues, but he's no killer.   378 (2.5%)

No - just look at his eyes. He's a cold-blooded murderer.
   14869 (97.5%)

[nimrod]

Anyone recall Stefany's time of death?

Maybe they were both doing drugs from 5am till 8 or so, and he went out to get coffee, she was still alive started surfing the web/checking facebook whatever, while he left to get coffee, caught her on his computer and flipped out like he said, I can believe that...he's nuts

as far as the arguing, that was a pretty cheap hotel, and the reporter that Greta had on said it was an hourly type (if ya know what I mean) maybe there weren't that many people staying there...or in that area of hotel, it looked like the room was at the end of a corrider, since the camera (luckily) was right above his door....

They haven't stated the time of death yet.  We know that it is within a 3 hour time frame but that's about it.

It will be interesting to see if the autopsy shows pastry in her stomach.

[San]

I dont believe that the anniversay date is just a coincidence.  This didnt happen because he caught her looking at his laptop.  This was planned out ahead of time, he probably does it every year.

This was premiditated

I think so too.

I absolutely agree Wreck and Blah.  I still say he did it out of spite, on the anniversary, because the family and FBI set him up with that sting.  I also believe someone in Aruba tipped him off and told him to get the hell out of "dodge".

I agree.  The only difference between this murder and Natalee's was that he didn't have his father and friends to cover it up.

[Anna]

Klaas, the artile you posted that said Joran was looking at "30 years of Cane" made me feel much better.  I assume cane refers to punishment. 

Honest confessions do not include saying he only occasionally used pot with cocaine in his system, it seems.

I guess whomever is coaching him to play the victim forgot to tell him that most countries frown on lying to officials, unlike Aruba and the Dutch system which seems to think it is A-OK.  That aklone should nullify any benefits he would have received from his fake confession.

Also, it was asked if Joran initiated contact for the extortion.  Yes, of course he did so don't think entrapment is possible.  Greta should be asking why Aruba allowed him to leave since they were supposed to be watching him instead of trying to blame the FBI.  I'm sure he was long gone before Aruba notified anybody of anything and that he was tipped off as well.

Note his apologists don't seem to find anything wrong with this from Joran, either.  Aruba would do well to either not say anything or condemn his actions at least in this second known murder.  Instead they are going to try for some technicality.  Those don't work in other countries especially when they are fake as Joran's always are.  Joran saying they werre rude to him after what he has done is just typical of that entitlement mindset.

The only barbarian here is Joran!  And his supporters as well.

[Lifesong]

Klaas,

Were the documents ever posted in the Kalpoe v. Dr. Phil case as it relates to the taking of the depositions?

[carpe noctem]

Joran is fried, Anna.

> DEAD MEAT

[klaasend]

Klaas,

Were the documents ever posted in the Kalpoe v. Dr. Phil case as it relates to the taking of the depositions?

Not as of last night.  I'll look again now.

Just checked - still nothing.

[Anna]

I dont believe that the anniversay date is just a coincidence.  This didnt happen because he caught her looking at his laptop.  This was planned out ahead of time, he probably does it every year.

This was premiditated

I think so too.

I absolutely agree Wreck and Blah.  I still say he did it out of spite, on the anniversary, because the family and FBI set him up with that sting.  I also believe someone in Aruba tipped him off and told him to get the hell out of "dodge".

Agree.  He was flat broke and of course that was their fault for not giving him the whole amount he was trying to extort.  He'd show them!  Took his anger at the sting out on Stephany and stole her money to keep moving.  The annivrsary date was just too tempting to him.  Joran is such a loser and worthless POS but Aruba has always lead him to believe otherwise and is a whole island of enablers.

[MisGivings]

Well, has that murderer changed his story yet?  I've been at the hospital and haven't had any recent news.

Are you OK???

[Sdb]

Has any media (especially Greta) addressed the information that he was already in Columbia on May 6th, four days before the wire took place?