Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[MisGivings]

I want to know who the small white leather purse with "flower power" written on it belonged to, certainly not Joran.

Unless my old eyes have deceived me, I definitely see a white purse in Stephany's left hand right before the video ends in the hotel office. The thin purse looks about 6" x 10" in size.

I thought I saw it too.

[Puzzler]

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/489229/2010/06/09/Joran-misleidde-FBI-over-vindplaats-Natalee.dhtml

Dutch to English translation

Joran misled FBI reference Natalee


WASHINGTON - Joran van der Sloot has against the mother of Natalee Holloway lied about the location of her daughter. This is contained in an Interpol report, which cites CNN.

According to the report took place in Aruba, the transfer of $ 10,000. Beth Twitty, Natalee's mother had started on the extortion of Joran, who promised $ 250,000 for the location of Natalee known. Twitty, however, the FBI had been informed.

According Gretha Susteren of Fox News is Joran on FBI film while the ten thousand dollar counts and hertelt. That said Van Susteren on Good Morning America.

The FBI had intended with this material, Van der Sloot address. But did not.

According to Van Susteren, the FBI is good at his stomach with the subsequent run of "murderer" of Peruvian Stephany Flores Ramírez.

The intention was to pick Van der Sloot and convict for the extortion of Beth Twitty. Van Susteren: "The film shows Van der Sloot to ten thousand U.S. dollars count and recount. Later, an additional $ 15,000 on his Dutch bank paid. Van der Sloot claimed $ 250,000 for information on the exact spot where Natalee's body would lie.''

In the Interpol report states that Joran Twitty pointed a house on Aruba where Natalee's body would be buried. But that house was five years ago and not so Joran Beth Twitty appeared to have lied. That he also said the Interpol report.

Van der Sloot was the $ 25,000 it received from the acute need of money he had at the end of April early May. According to friends was quoted by ABC Joran completely broke and he had no money to buy food. He called his friends love to borrow money. Who refused.

Then he tried to bribe journalists for information about where Natalee Holloway could be found. When that failed, he made contact with Natalee's mother. Who agreed, but not after having informed the FBI. And who set a trap.

Why the FBI ultimately snapped Susteren says not to know.

ABC reports that hackers still by the Peruvian police are hired to Joran by laptop to dig there now photos and incriminating information about the case at Holloway have found.

Birmingham (Alabama) in the U.S. District Court meanwhile is preparing a lawsuit against Van der Sloot for. $ 250,000 for extorting Beth Twitty Joran can get 20 years in prison.

According to the Interpol report, the U.S. sought extradition to Peru to Joran. (PO)

06/09/1910 4:33 p.m.

I wonder if he has pictures of a dead Natalee on his laptop.

I wondered that, too.  Hate like he77 to think it, though.  But...maybe it could convict him of murder of Natalee (if so).

[wreck]

I missed about 15 pages yesterday ---- was the report that Natalee had been found proven false, or is it just unclear? Did Dave go to Aruba? Planned or unplanned?

[the big hammer]

A Desperate Need For...Money

Then he tried to bribe journalists for information about where Natalee Holloway could be found. When that failed, he made contact with Natalee's mother. Who agreed, but not after having informed the FBI. And who set a trap.

SO he first tried the usual route, pioneered by Greta and the American media, to pay the goon to appear on their shows, so he could lie there and laugh at them.

Fools.  They are as much at fault as any.  They enabled his depravity by funding him for their ratings.

And when that fails, because of countless previously recorded lies and wine-throwing tantrums, he goes to the Holloway-Twitty family, so desperate for money was he.  To extort them and torture them further, so as to present even more lies about the resting place of their daughter...for money.  

Exposed and enraged for failed extortion and running away, with very limited funds.  Set up like a common hood, by a woman and her family, whom he detests and hates.  And thwarted in his attempts to feed his need for...money.

And days later in Peru, proceeds to lose at the tables again, digging deeper and deeper...

For spite against the mother of Natalee for denying him money, and poor Stefany, for refusing to give him money.  5 years to the day.

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[Miss Lacey]

Young people often make poor choices.  Obviously Stephany did this time, even if she was int e habit of manking sound ones.  We may never know why she went with Joran, but I am sure it involved Joran lying to her, possibly charming her, and possibly drugging her.

Once in the room, they probably had small talk before things went downhill.

Maybe she feel asleep, or Joran was waiting for drugs to take effect on her system.  Maybe her forced her to disrobe, or maybe she was half conscious and he removed her pants and saw she had her period.  Maybe he then wanted oral sex and she refused.  Maybe she woke up from a drug induced sleep and didn't know where she was, or who she was with.  Could he have been in the bathroom thinking she was out cold and left his computer in a sleep mode?  He could have been looking at porn, playing a game, or communicating with someone.  She then possibly went to his computer to try to see what he was looking at or who he was, still have dazed and unable to make sound decisions.

She tells him what she saw on his computer and he tries to get out of it by lying although she doesn't believe him.  He is afraid she will tell about whatever she saw or just doesn't liek the idea that she saw what she did.

She then decides she wants to leave and Joran tries to forbid her, or convince her otherwise, either hoping to get sex or for whatever reason he has her there.  She says things to him that anger him and he approaches her.  She tries to scream or lashes out at him, which further angers him so he attacks her.  Once he sees what he has done to her which might have just been possibly choked her and had her lose consciousness, he goes into a further rage beating her.  He may think she is dead already, or most likely doesn't care.  He in his warped sense of entitlement etc. sees his problems as her fault and feels she deserves this. He continues to beat her the whole time seeing it as her fault for his predicament.

When he is done, he breaks down and has to figure a plan.  He showers and knows he has to get out of there.  there is no way he can clean up the crime scene so he must flee.  He throws his shirt over her so he doesn't have to look at her.  he goes out for coffee to try to appear "normal" before he leaves.  He takes her money and possibly her jewelery because she doesn't need it and she owes it to him for all this trouble she has put him in.


I think the time frame of when he killed her doesn't seem acurate, but who knows, we are talking abouty a deranged person here.  that would just give him a small window to wash up from the crime, get his wits together, gather his thigns and get out of there.  But could be possible if he really has no remorse at killing and being responsible for his rages.


But as we know Joran lyes and figures he told enough versions of Natalee's death that he wasn't held responsible, so why not do it with this one.  Maybe Papa Sloot has told him to do this when he gets in trouble.

At this point, it doesn't matter what version of his story is true.  He just needs to be accountable for ending this young woman's life.  Her poor decision of going with him should not have resulted in her death, and I can't see any of this being an "accident" so he must pay for this crime against an innocent.

Young people do make poor choices sometimes, and I am suddenly reminded of a very stupid thing I did when I was 18.  It was the summer after high school graduation -- just like Natalee.  I went with a friend to a popular bar.  Anyway, I got drunk and met two guys, then left with them!  These two strangers drove me home -- a good 30 minute drive.  I shudder when I think of what could have happened.  Such a stupid choice.  I was lucky.

[klaasend]

I missed about 15 pages yesterday ---- was the report that Natalee had been found proven false, or is it just unclear? Did Dave go to Aruba? Planned or unplanned?

I believe FALSE.  I guess some Canadians found a bone or something and the rumor mill started from there.  As far as I know Dave/Tim trip was planned prior to Joran murdering Stephany.

[Northern Rose]

Translator murderer Joran van der Sloot: "They're trying pretty well"

Lima (Peru.com) .- The translation of Joran Van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores, said police are trying to "pretty good" for the Dutchman, ruling that has been severely mistreated in the Criminal Investigation Department (DIRINCRI), where he is detained.
 
"It is good and they are treated fairly well there," said the interpreter who works with the investigations, who was not identified to the press, leaving DIRINCRI headquarters in downtown Lima.

After the brief statements, the figure declined to continue to declare. "I can not further comment, sorry," he said and took a private car last Tuesday night.
 
In this way, are denied the information Van der Sloot indicated that he contacted his mother by telephone and would have complained of mistreatment by the police to plead guilty to the crime.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/lima20100609/101230/Traductor-del-asesino-Joran-van-der-Sloot-Lo-estan-tratando-bastante-bien---

[RoxiBalboa]

Vinda (sp?) said on TruTV that Aruba Officials are very interested in what's on Joran laptop


new synonym: interested = extremely worried

[klaasend]

A Desperate Need For...Money

Then he tried to bribe journalists for information about where Natalee Holloway could be found. When that failed, he made contact with Natalee's mother. Who agreed, but not after having informed the FBI. And who set a trap.

SO he first tried the usual route, pioneered by Greta and the American media, to pay the goon to appear on their shows, so he could lie there and laugh at them.

Fools.  They are as much at fault as any.  They enabled his depravity by funding him for their ratings.

And when that fails, because of countless previously recorded lies and wine-throwing tantrums, he goes to the Holloway-Twitty family, so desperate for money was he.  To extort them and torture them further, so as to present even more lies about the resting place of their daughter...for money.  

Exposed and enraged for failed extortion and running away, with very limited funds.  Set up like a common hood, by a woman and her family, whom he detests and hates.  And thwarted in his attempts to feed his need for...money.

And days later in Peru, proceeds to lose at the tables again, digging deeper and deeper...

For spite against the mother of Natalee for denying him money, and poor Stefany, for refusing to give him money.  5 years to the day.

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PREMEDITATED

[Nut44x4]

I see Jenna at RU is up to her old conspiracy theories.  The title of her latest thread is:

Two Jorans, two Stephanys, two passports or two hotels rooms


She has to be posting from a psych ward, nobody can be as crazy as her without being committed.  (insert rolling eyes and smiley)

OMG.....she hasn't been locked up yet??? She is a danger to society.

[nonesuche]

DESPERADO

Just after news broke that Joran was wanted for the Flores murder, Dutch journalist Jaap Amesz interviewed a friend of van der Sloot, who described him as broke, "completely desperate and pretty depressed."

"I was in touch with Joran until right before May 30," the friend told Amesz."He was in Peru, that was known. In Aruba he couldn't deal with it anymore. His relationship with his mother was getting worse, he had gambled money away again. This is what preceded his flight to Peru. Right before the weekend it was clear that Joran was in financial trouble, and he was pretty confused. Driven by hunger, the fear of not being able to pay for his hotel. He desperately needed money. I have never seen Joran so frustrated as in this period."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joran-van-der-sloot-paradise-prison/story?id=10860167

I don't suppose the sporter has ever considered getting a job to support himself.  I could cry a river.  Maybe Julia Renfro can give Anita a second job at one of her little cottages with the red light.

little cottages lol, like mother like son? Seems Joran was running his own red light in Thailand correct?

Hi, None. 

Blowing kisses your way.  Yes, it runs in the family.  I have missed all of you monkeys so much.  I am so happy to see you here.  I miss hearing from you, Sweetie.

kisses in return my friend. I've missed you as well. I'm back from travels with work now and will surely send you mail soon.

[blah]

Vinda (sp?) said on TruTV that Aruba Officials are very interested in what's on Joran laptop


new synonym: interested = extremely worried

no doubt they are worried.  This is backed up by the fact that they have never really been too concerned about collecting any other EVIDENCE in this case.

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot: according to his lawyer his confession would be false
Bert de Rooij, a lawyer for the family of the Netherlands, said the confessed murderer of Stephany was "pressured by the police to accuse."

Bert de Rooij, a lawyer for the family of Joran van der Sloot, from Holland said that the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores had been pressured by the Peruvian police to confess the crime.

"Joran told his mother crying on Monday to question him under pressure and barbaric conditions. He said police tried to force him to confess, "said the lawyer told the newspaper De Volkskrant Netherlands.

Under these conditions, he added, "the confession could be false." Carla Odría, the public defender assigned to defend Van der Sloot, just sponsored him on Saturday, the day when the Dutchman arrived in Lima and was presented at the Dirincri. "I suspended my advice, I was told that he was tired and did not want to see a lawyer," he said.

Meanwhile, the translator who works with the police in the case of Van der Sloot gave terse statements to the press on his departure from the seat of the Dirincri. "It is good and they are treated fairly well there, in a lockup on the eighth floor," said the translator, who was not identified told reporters.

Used drugs. Although Van der Sloot had stated that it was only occasional consumer of marijuana, the drug test he was subjected yesterday also tested positive for cocaine. Thus it is found that the Dutchman did not tell the truth to the experts of the Bureau of Criminal Investigation (Oficri).

These personality traits, coupled with its relentlessness with Stephany Flores, could lead the police to charge him with murder. The detainee is to believe he committed the crime brought by a sudden violent reaction, but his strategy is crumbling.

More hypotheses. According to one hypothesis which the police handled the subject have convinced his victim to make a business and coordinate a trip abroad to participate in another poker tournament. It is also assumed that he said he had a network card game online, and asked him to help win a lucrative bet.

It is also thought that the girl he borrowed money for a bet at the casino 'Atlantic City' and he took her to his room to return it. According to Ricardo Flores, father of the victim, the murderer of doped moved to the hotel. This possibility can not be excluded.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/64028/joran-van-der-sloot-segun-su-abogado-su-confesion-seria-falsa

[blah]

Vinda (sp?) said on TruTV that Aruba Officials are very interested in what's on Joran laptop


new synonym: interested = extremely worried

no doubt they are worried.  This is backed up by the fact that they have never really been too concerned about collecting any other EVIDENCE in this case.

If they are so concerned about collecting evidence from his laptop, why didnt they do it in the 5 years since he killed Natalee.  There is no doubt that their only concern is to cover their own asses.

[Northern Rose]

Joran Van Der Sloot used drugs before killing Stephany Flores
 
 
 Drug tests performed last Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot confirmed that authorities used drugs to kill Stephany Flores.

On the other hand the reconstruction of the brutal crime in Miraflores hotel Tac, was suspended for lack of security in anticipation of local and foreign press.

In the coming hours Van Der Sloot will be transferred to a prison to be decided by INPE, and from there the next steps will be made.

http://www.atv.com.pe/primerreporte/detalle_primer_reporte_Calles.asp?id=6853

[Northern Rose]

FBI gave money to Joran Van der Sloot to stop extortion

Peru.com) .- The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in Peru for the murder of a young woman of that country, received $ 25,000 from the FBI, which tried to set a trap to arrest him for extortion, and money financed the trip to Lima, the newspaper 'New York Post.
 
Van der Sloot, 23, and is also suspected of killing American Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, contacted her mother and offered information on the disappearance of her daughter in exchange for $ 25,000, according to the New York daily.
 
Holloway's family made contact with agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of USA, they decided to give money and set a trap to stop him, says this newspaper that said that his sources told him that "given the Van der Sloot money on May 10 in Aruba. "
 
"Four days later he flew to Peru, where he allegedly murdered Stephany Flores, 21, in a hotel room in Lima, the report said.
 
The newspaper added that the Dutchman "was able to travel because federal agents had no immediate charges against him nor asked to be arrested in Aruba, even when warned that he might leave the country."
 
The newspaper also adds that this situation has angered the Holloway family, whom authorities had reportedly announced that "they were going to stop before it gets out of Aruba"
 
"Van der Sloot was $ 15,000 through a transfer and $ 10,000 in cash, and went to Peru to play poker," the Post said its sources.
 
In early June, local media reported that Van der Sloot had been charged with attempted extortion in Birmingham (Alabama), it would have tried to require a payment of $ 250,000 in exchange for information about where the body is Holloway.
 
According to reports from Peru, the Dutchman was with the young Peruvian Stephany Ramirez Flores, 21, last May 30 at a casino and hours later the girl found dead in a hotel in the Peruvian capital.
 
Van der Sloot went to Chile on 31 May and was arrested in that country on June 3 after he was accused in Peru of killing Ramirez Flores, daughter of the famous race car driver and businessman Ricardo Flores that country, "rifle" .

http://www.peru.com/noticias/PORTADA20100609/101238/FBI-entrego-dinero-a-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-para-detenerlo-por-extorsion

[MisGivings]

Joran will regret using SF money when he fled the scene.
That will be the proverbial "nail in the coffin" for him.

Anita is probably trying to get in the hotel room to replace SF jewelry and money, as we speak.

Klaas - Chilling article you posted. Thoughts of stuffing her body in a bag/bags. Tidal maps.

Yeah the tidal maps is what really got me. 

Klass, me too. like he was planning to dispose of the body in a way that worked before. Afterall he's gotten away with it for 5 years. He could still hear daddy saying, 'no body, no case.'

There is something wrong here. He says he was going to stuff Stephany in his duffle bag, but was afraid he would be stopped at the front desk for failure to pay his last 2 days there. Why would he worry about that if he did in fact take the money Stephany had on her?

[Tamikosmom]

Joran Van Der Sloot: A Growing Link to Natalee Holloway?
Dutch Playboy Caught Counting 'Extorted' Money That Financed Trip to Peru
June 9, 2010

.... In Peru, investigators are leaning on van der Sloot to give them information about Holloway's 2005 disappearance in Aruba during a school trip. He has been arrested twice in Aruba and remains the prime suspect, but has never been charged.

Master hackers hired by Peruvian authorities to examine his laptop have reportedly found pictures and other information relating to Holloway.

 http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/joran-van-der-sloot-growing-link-natalee-holloway/story?id=10863952&page=1

[NewfieMonkey]

Okay - first of all - Anita makes me sick!  Flying in to save her baby from those mean interrogators and hire a top notch lawyer!  If he was so poor while in Aruba why didn't she pony up then?!  Why didn't she pony up some money for treatment when she realized what a sick whack-job he is after Natalie?  Nope - takes another murdered girl to get Anita off her A$$.

Second - just makes me mad.  Does anyone else use AOL?  Everytime I get locked out I get this ...
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