Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[darleenofalabama]

You're right JA, he did it and it does not matter why.  He's guilty and he can whine in prison for the rest of his life.

[darleenofalabama]

Did somebody say they're throwing out his confession?  Well, who cares; I'm sure there'll be plenty more where that came from.  Anyway, nobody needs his stupid confession; the evidence will convict him.  He's done.

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/18481-minister-mike-eman-a-duna-su-reaccion-oficial-riba-e-caso-di-dos-famia-cu-joran-vd-sloot-ta-envolvi-cune.html


Hi Monkeys,
I'm wayyyy behind, trying to get caught up.

At the link above there is an audio of Mike Eman's comments about the case.  I'm really not sure what language it's in.

If anyone can help with a translation, it would really be great...and very much appreciated.

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I could understand one thing very clearly and he says it more than once, he refers to Beth as Beth Holloway, not Beth Twitty as it is in the article.  

Seems like the person who wrote the article might have noticed that too.

[spooky112483]

Oh my God the photo of Stephany's body! I almost just got sick all over my laptop. This disturbs me so very much. Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad ya'll posted it. I just can't believe we put this stuff in magazines, you know. I mean how would we all feel if there is photos/videos of Natalee on that laptop and they get out to the media? How are we gonna feel seeing that? I'm just revolted right now. It makes it all so real to see that poor sweet woman lying there rolled up in a blanket with blood all over the floor. 

[Tamikosmom]

Everybody knows he's insane; that has nothing to do with these cases; there will be no acceptance of an insanity plea and there will be no putting him in any mental hospital to "get help".  He's beyond help and he is going to be punished.  Aruba, his family, and the Netherlands can just give up and accept it:  he's done.

darleen ... I sincerely hope you are right.

Janet

[Anna]

Did somebody say they're throwing out his confession?  Well, who cares; I'm sure there'll be plenty more where that came from.  Anyway, nobody needs his stupid confession; the evidence will convict him.  He's done.

Darleen, good to see you.  I speculated as much because they do not seem to be interested in doing the reenactment any more.  If they were to accept his confession, the reenactment is required.  But they have a couple of days left before charges must be brought so we shall see.

[darleenofalabama]

Hi, Anna, so nice to see you, too!  Who cares whether it's reinacted; I mean, what is it with all these reactments, anyway.  It didn't help Natalee's case.  The evidence is going to convict him.  There's plenty of evidence this time, even Aruba couldn't ignore or hide it (although, they might would declare some kind of law making it OK if he did it).  He is done.

[Northern Rose]

Homicide Division last detail to define the motive for the murder of Stephany Flores at the hands of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot

Lima (Peru.com) .- The National Police (PNP) takes the final coordination in order to define the motive of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, who was killed last May 30 by Dutchman Joran van der Sloot.
 
Agents of the Homicide Division are comparing the confession from abroad, who pleaded guilty to the murder of Flores Ramirez, with the version he gave in Chile.
 
As pointed out in that country said was perpetrated by two people who were inside the hotel room 309 of the TAC of Miraflores, where he was staying.
 
It also provides that the Criminal Investigation Department (DIRINCRI) finished reviewing the information contained on the laptop that had the Dutchman during his speech.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100609/101401/Division-de-Homicidios-ultima-detalles-para-definir-el-movil-del-asesinato-de-Stephany-Flores-a-manos-del-holandes-Joran-van-der-Sloot

[BUCKSHOT]

How far was casino from Hotel?

[Jo-An]

This is word of mouth gossip out of South America.. I have no way to link it or prove it so take it for what it is worth or throw it away..

He actually told the cops he masterbated..

I think he did this over her dead body.

Then I consider what may have happened with Natalee.
He is one sick S.O.B.

This might have something to do with that video that was shown of Joran unpacking his backpack.
Some Dutch people made up some fake subtitles and put them under the video and put it up on youtube.

This is the video and this is what the subtitles are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEecu6qqTgA

(starting at '15)

"Can we sell this?"
"Sure, it's an HP."
"I'm famous in Thailand too."
"Ehm, I also wrote a book."
"And I can play poker very well."
"And I play the flute."
"After this, I want to go to Bolivia."
"Turn the camera on, I'll pretend I'm counting."
"1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7."
"Wanna play some poker?"
"19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24."
"Turn the camera off, so we can split the money."
"Check this for creditcards."
"Just business cards."
"You Dutch guys are always broke."
"These documents also contain pictures."
"1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and an ugly family picture."
"Where were you at the time of the murder?"
"Well, this is a little embarrasing..."
"Ehm, I was masturbating I think."
"But why do you wanna know?"
"Masturbating isn't illegal, right?"
"We can solve this in a different way."
"If you want I can give you my sister's phone number."
"Only if she's adopted. If she looks anything like you, she's of no use."
"I can give you a few more pointers."
"Whatever you do, don't ever drop the soap."
"You can also tell them you have aids, they might leave you alone."


So, these are FAKE subtitles. Just someone trying to make a funny video.

[darleenofalabama]

Hi, Janet.  I'll bet even "Aruba Today" and all it's readers and supporters know I'm right. 

[Kermit]

Good morning and thank you muisje and Jo-An.

This isn't much of a surprise.

But I think the big point is that he lied re. cocaine (maybe a lie by omission), and that will cloud his "confession."

I think cocaine doesn't remain in the system very long. He probably was using during his "flight." Although a hair sample might be different from a blood test. Some of you smart monkeys can probably figure this out.

I still think robbery was his motive.

Maybe kermit knows this: one of the reasons Chile gave for "expelling" him was insufficient funds. What do you suppose is considered sufficient funds to visit a country? (I have heard of this.) I would guess that Chile checked his credit cards and bank statement as well as cash on hand? Plus, I would think that lack of a passport would do it, but I don't think that was mentioned.

You just have to show them your airline ticket and a credit card. That qualifies as sufficient funds.

[SunnyinTX]

I received an email from the Birmingham FBI Office with a link to their official statement


http://birmingham.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel10/bh060910.htm


Hope that link will work.

It worked for me and thanks Anna....so if the money wasn't from FBI funds,[ Some news accounts have suggested that the FBI provided $25,000.00 in funds that were transmitted to van der Sloot. This is incorrect. The funds involved were private funds.] who provided the funds?  Not that I need to know...I am just nosy that way!

[seemeatthebeach]

Anita must be busy shopping for Joran's 1st year in prison:

365 pairs tighty whities-----check
12 cases vaseline------------check
1 case hand lotion for callouses---check
30 welcome gifts for roommates----check
30 thank you gifts to follow-------check
365 pieces scented stationary
      letters to mommy ------------check
$1 million in monopoly dollars----check
365 replaceable butt plugs-------check

year 2

1 yard of concrete for his @ssh0le

[Kermit]

WARNING - DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE TO SEEING DEAD BODY OF STEPHANY

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/2372/stephanyfloresbodyonflo.jpg

[darleenofalabama]

Well, I have to go for now, y'all; I don't have my own computer right now and my husband wants his computer--and his supper.  I just dropped in to give y'all a pep talk.  The only thing anyone has to remember is that HE IS DONE.

[Rob]

Oh my God the photo of Stephany's body! I almost just got sick all over my laptop. This disturbs me so very much. Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad ya'll posted it. I just can't believe we put this stuff in magazines, you know. I mean how would we all feel if there is photos/videos of Natalee on that laptop and they get out to the media? How are we gonna feel seeing that? I'm just revolted right now. It makes it all so real to see that poor sweet woman lying there rolled up in a blanket with blood all over the floor. 

I don't know, < shrugs > bloated corpses on beaches, dead people sticking out windshields, and all the abnormal stabbings in Aruban newspapers and websites just seem a lil bit more disconcerting.  A body wrapped in a blanket and only the hair showing seems rather tame comparatively.

[Kermit]

STEPHANY WEARING PANTS walking out of Casino with Joran

[Kermit]

Oh my God the photo of Stephany's body! I almost just got sick all over my laptop. This disturbs me so very much. Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad ya'll posted it. I just can't believe we put this stuff in magazines, you know. I mean how would we all feel if there is photos/videos of Natalee on that laptop and they get out to the media? How are we gonna feel seeing that? I'm just revolted right now. It makes it all so real to see that poor sweet woman lying there rolled up in a blanket with blood all over the floor. 

I don't know, < shrugs > bloated corpses on beaches, dead people sticking out windshields, and all the abnormal stabbings in Aruban newspapers and websites just seem a lil bit more disconcerting.  A body wrapped in a blanket and only the hair showing seems rather tame comparatively.

The importance of that photo may be on the side of the bed - the blood.

[Rob]

Did somebody say they're throwing out his confession?  Well, who cares; I'm sure there'll be plenty more where that came from.  Anyway, nobody needs his stupid confession; the evidence will convict him.  He's done.

Darleen, good to see you.  I speculated as much because they do not seem to be interested in doing the reenactment any more.  If they were to accept his confession, the reenactment is required.  But they have a couple of days left before charges must be brought so we shall see.

saw on HLN a lil bit ago - he can refuse the re-enactment, that would go against him in court though