Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[Lifesong]

Thanks, Klaas! 

[crazybabyborg]

I'm wondering if Renfro and others in Aruba will prove to have lied for Joran by emails and such on Joran's laptop.  Gee, I bet there are several sweating in Aruba right now

We've gone from Sweaty Running Man to Sweaty Running Mob.  JMHO

LOLOL!!! (Jumpy Monkeys!)

[Shan1628]

I'm getting so pizzed about the FBI attacks. The murder investigation was ARUBA'S, and they know exactly where Natalee is and exactly how she got there. They're still covering Joran's ass about it and now have their own to cover as well. If the media wants to assign blame and uncover something, jerk the light on that! There wouldn't have been a need for the FBI to be try to hold Joran accountable if Aruba had done the right thing to begin with.


GRRRRRRRRR...................

CBB

I suspect that Greta may be fueling the misinformation campaign against the FBI.  She has yet to mention that maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway for the past five years could have forewarned Joran theat the FBI were closing in on him.

Janet

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June 9, 2010 | 2:53 PM ET
What is the FBI saying ?

.... My opinion? The FBI never expected Joran to slip away and commit a murder.  It was certainly not the intention of the FBI for this to happen.  They simply bungled this investigation and now are doing damage control.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/what-is-the-fbi-saying/comment-page-2/?action=late-new&order

FBI Denies Bungling Joran van der Sloot Extortion Arrest
Feds Reject Suggestion That They Let Him Get Away and Kill Woman in Peru

The FBI denied today suggestions that it moved too slowly after monitoring alleged extortion payments to murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, allowing him to travel to Peru where he admits he killed a woman he met in a casino.
Fox News' Greta van Susteren discusses the extortion case against Van der Sloot.

The Dutch playboy has confessed to the May 30 murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez.

The attack on Flores came nearly three weeks after the FBI admits that it monitored payments to van der Sloot in what it says was an attempt to extort $250,000 from someone in Mountain Brook, Ala., the hometown of missing high school girl Natalee Holloway.

Family members have told ABC News that the target of the alleged extortion plot was Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty.

The FBI's Birmingham office has said that it was leading an investigation on May 10 when $15,000 was wired to a Dutch bank for van der Sloot. The money, the FBI said, was supposed to be in exchange for information about what happened to Holloway and the location of her body.

News reports state that van der Sloot was also given $10,000 in cash, and that he was caught on tape counting the cash.

Fox News correspondent Greta Van Susteren said today on "Good Morning America" that the FBI's failure to arrest van der Sloot was "a blunder."

Van Susteren called the chain of events a "huge embarrassment" for U.S. authorities. "I don't know why they didn't arrest him and I'm sure the FBI feels horrible about what happened," she said.

The FBI issued a statement today rejecting any suggestion that it allowed van der Sloot to slip away and kill Flores several weeks later.

"News accounts have also questioned why charges were not brought earlier, so that the tragic death of Stephany Flores could have been avoided," the statement said. "The Birmingham investigation was not related in any way to the murder in Peru. Despite having been in motion for several weeks at the time of Miss Flores' death, it was not sufficiently developed to bring charges prior to the time van der Sloot left Aruba."

The lack of an arrest in the extortion case, it said, "is not due to any fault on the part of the FBI or the U.S. Attorney's Office."

"A case based on events outside of the United States is a complex matter, and work was proceeding with all deliberate speed to prepare the evidence, the charges and the necessary procedures to obtain custody of van der Sloot," the statement said.


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It's hard to catch the killer when the people that are "supposed" to be helping are actually tipping the suspect off.  I say we plug the oil leak in the Gulf with ARUBA!!!!  The Peruvian prisoners will take care of JVS!!!!!!!!
Sorry but Greta has it ALL wrong.  JVS would have been in custody if ARUBA didn't tip him off (yet again).  Can't blame the FBI for that.

[Anna]

I had always assumed the money for the extortion sting came from the trust fund that had the reward money.  That would bge "private funds" and not FBI.

Also the amount of $250,000 is for Natalee's location.  The full million was only for her safe return.  So since the amount matched I just assumed it was the fund money.  Will be surprised to learn otherwise.

[Sdb]

I am not worried about his multiple confessions. He's just doing what he did before as that worked out for him. He is getting legal advice from those sleasy dutch and arubans.
I am not worried about him only doing seven years or some such crazy light sentence.
I am not worried about Aruba trying to get a hold of his laptop.

I have faith in one thing and one thing only and that is Beth.

I know Beth is in communication with Stephany's family and the Peruvian authorities. I know Beth is aware of all these details. I know Beth has their sympathy. If anyone knows JVS and the whole Aruban gang, it is Beth. I know Beth is taking care of business.

[Anna]

Wasn't it just today that Taco Stein (lol!) was whining because no one in Peru would take his call about getting access to the laptop?

I don't think Peru is in any hurry to do anything with Aruba or the Dutch.  Very bad move on the part of the Dutch to start dissing Peru like that have.  Coercion my a$$!  Peru will now stonewall them like anything and totally ignore them.

I wonder who told Aruba and the Dutch that anybody gives a flip what they want.  They need to get over themselves.

[BUCKSHOT]

A few things:

(1) Peru has the desire to show off to the world its’ efficient handling of this murder case.

(2) Peru will also demonstrate that it is harder to get away with a crime in Peru than a place like Aruba.

(3) IMO, tough sentence will be imposed upon JVDS, due to: severity of beating, taking of her money, fleeing the country.

(4) Notice that the media has backed off of Anita’s whereabouts. I bet it is for safety reasons.

(5) Forensic evidence may contradict JVDS’ half-ass confession. Peru will stick it to him if that is the case.

(6) Aruban officials are probably not sleeping well at the moment.

(7) Aruba definitely gave Joran heads up to “get out of dodge”

( SF murder is JVDS fault, not FBI, SF, nor Beth.

[klaasend]

Wasn't it just today that Taco Stein (lol!) was whining because no one in Peru would take his call about getting access to the laptop?

I don't think Peru is in any hurry to do anything with Aruba or the Dutch.  Very bad move on the part of the Dutch to start dissing Peru like that have.  Coercion my a$$!  Peru will now stonewall them like anything and totally ignore them.

I wonder who told Aruba and the Dutch that anybody gives a flip what they want.  They need to get over themselves.

[TURBOTHINK]

I wonder what the delay in Aruba is for Tim Miller searching using the new map?  Two searches are supposed to happen so if Aruba wants to do something, why don't they do those instead of trying to butt in in the case in Peru.

Aruba and NL are seriously worried about what's on that laptop!

You are SO RIGHT about them being worried. If they really wanted to solve the cases, they should spend their time looking right where they are.

[cecilita]

how many days after a person is dead start the really bad smell. I don't know if you heard the case of the little Mexican girl Paulette dissapeared from her house last year. Her parent have money in Mexico and they live in a very nice condominium in one of the best areas of Mexico. They reported her gone one Monday, the police checked all the cameras and they noticed that the baby never left the building, so they start looking for her, but during the time the little girls's mother had interviews in her house, and mostly in the baby's room. The last time the baby was seen was in her bedroom by her mom.
The baby was found dead three days after the police interventions and she was found in her bedroom, in her bed. The police said the baby rolled and got trapped between the footboard of the bead and the mattress. during the time the baby was missing and trapped in the bed, the mothers sister slept there and didn't notice anything. the housekeepers made the bed during those days and they didn't notice that the body was there and even worse the mother did an interview sitting on the bed on top of the baby's body. After three days I believe the body should smell pretty bad. The doctors said that "some bodies" do not smell for several days. I was watich the videos and I got sick!!!

[Anna]

I am not worried about his multiple confessions. He's just doing what he did before as that worked out for him. He is getting legal advice from those sleasy dutch and arubans.
I am not worried about him only doing seven years or some such crazy light sentence.
I am not worried about Aruba trying to get a hold of his laptop.

I have faith in one thing and one thing only and that is Beth.

I know Beth is in communication with Stephany's family and the Peruvian authorities. I know Beth is aware of all these details. I know Beth has their sympathy. If anyone knows JVS and the whole Aruban gang, it is Beth. I know Beth is taking care of business.

And the Flores family has been so very kind to Beth and concerned that Natalee receive justice as well.  For that I will be forever grateful.  May they find comfort in their grief and their graciousness always be returned to them tenfold!

[klaasend]

A few things:

(1) Peru has the desire to show off to the world its’ efficient handling of this murder case.  YEP

(2) Peru will also demonstrate that it is harder to get away with a crime in Peru than a place like Aruba. YEP

(3) IMO, tough sentence will be imposed upon JVDS, due to: severity of beating, taking of her money, fleeing the country. YEP

(4) Notice that the media has backed off of Anita’s whereabouts. I bet it is for safety reasons. VERY POSSIBLE

(5) Forensic evidence may contradict JVDS’ half-ass confession. Peru will stick it to him if that is the case. YEP

(6) Aruban officials are probably not sleeping well at the moment. YEP LOT'S OF SWEAT

(7) Aruba definitely gave Joran heads up to “get out of dodge” NO DOUBT IN MY MIND - PROBABLY VIA RENFRO

( SF murder is JVDS fault, not FBI, SF, nor Beth. CORRECT

My responses in red

[Blue Moon]

I'm only going to take a guess here about Greta's tirade toward the FBI.  Greta talked to Beth the day this happened with Joran.  She said Beth was devastated that her money allowed Joran to escape to Peru and kill again and the FBI should have arrested him on the spot instead of letting him get away.  Well how do you think Joran was able to get in touch with Beth?  My guess is Joran contacted Greta and Greta was the go between with Joran and Beth.  I read on here yesterday (I think) that the FBI had told Beth to not speak about this.  Could Greta have been dumb enough to supply the money to Beth and John Q. in exchange for an exclusive on the arrest of Joran?  Maybe the money wasn't intended to have been lost forever in Greta's eyes.  Now the money is gone and Greta has no exclusive interview and I would say she is mad as he$$.  JMO 

[NM]

Reading the posts and news today of jurin trying to put Stephany in a duffle bag made me remember the many times pvds and jurin mentioned the "gym bag" that jurin forgot and pvds had to drive back to the tennis club for jurin on MAY 30 2005. hummmmm....

9AM Peru = 10AM EST

[San]

A few things:

(1) Peru has the desire to show off to the world its’ efficient handling of this murder case.  YEP

(2) Peru will also demonstrate that it is harder to get away with a crime in Peru than a place like Aruba. YEP

(3) IMO, tough sentence will be imposed upon JVDS, due to: severity of beating, taking of her money, fleeing the country. YEP

(4) Notice that the media has backed off of Anita’s whereabouts. I bet it is for safety reasons. VERY POSSIBLE

(5) Forensic evidence may contradict JVDS’ half-ass confession. Peru will stick it to him if that is the case. YEP

(6) Aruban officials are probably not sleeping well at the moment. YEP LOT'S OF SWEAT

(7) Aruba definitely gave Joran heads up to “get out of dodge” NO DOUBT IN MY MIND - PROBABLY VIA RENFRO

( SF murder is JVDS fault, not FBI, SF, nor Beth. CORRECT

My responses in red

I believe Julia Renfro tipped Joran off too.  They should arrest her.

[klaasend]

Reading the posts and news today of jurin trying to put Stephany in a duffle bag made me remember the many times pvds and jurin mentioned the "gym bag" that jurin forgot and pvds had to drive back to the tennis club for jurin on MAY 30 2005. hummmmm....

9AM Peru = 10AM EST

Yes NM, so many similarities.

[Sdb]

I'm only going to take a guess here about Greta's tirade toward the FBI.  Greta talked to Beth the day this happened with Joran.  She said Beth was devastated that her money allowed Joran to escape to Peru and kill again and the FBI should have arrested him on the spot instead of letting him get away.  Well how do you think Joran was able to get in touch with Beth?  My guess is Joran contacted Greta and Greta was the go between with Joran and Beth.  I read on here yesterday (I think) that the FBI had told Beth to not speak about this.  Could Greta have been dumb enough to supply the money to Beth and John Q. in exchange for an exclusive on the arrest of Joran?  Maybe the money wasn't intended to have been lost forever in Greta's eyes.  Now the money is gone and Greta has no exclusive interview and I would say she is mad as he$$.  JMO 

Could be, I don't know. Did Greta say she actually spoke directly with Beth? I haven't seen Beth at all. Not one bit. She put out a statement and family members have spoken on her behalf. This is unusual for Beth. I betting she is very, very busy securing justice for Natalee.

[cecilita]

Hello Monkeys,
I read in previous post that Stephany was lesbian.I can not find that info anywhere.

It hasn't been a big topic but her family and friends say that she was openly gay but that she often flirted with men in casinos.

Thank you Klass,

[Magnolia]

I'm only going to take a guess here about Greta's tirade toward the FBI.  Greta talked to Beth the day this happened with Joran.  She said Beth was devastated that her money allowed Joran to escape to Peru and kill again and the FBI should have arrested him on the spot instead of letting him get away.  Well how do you think Joran was able to get in touch with Beth?  My guess is Joran contacted Greta and Greta was the go between with Joran and Beth.  I read on here yesterday (I think) that the FBI had told Beth to not speak about this.  Could Greta have been dumb enough to supply the money to Beth and John Q. in exchange for an exclusive on the arrest of Joran?  Maybe the money wasn't intended to have been lost forever in Greta's eyes.  Now the money is gone and Greta has no exclusive interview and I would say she is mad as he$$.  JMO 

I have thought the same BlueMoon.  I  definately think Greta was the "go to" in order to reach Beth.
I think it may have been Fox New's money, not Greta's.

[klaasend]

http://es.noticias.yahoo.com/11/20100609/twl-ams-gen-peru-holandes-d711b07.html

Through translator:

Peru: Police investigation concluded Dutchman Van der Sloot

2 hours 10 mins ago
CARLA SALAZAR Associated Press

The police investigation concluded the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot for the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, and make it available to the prosecution to formalize the criminal charges, said on Wednesday a police source. Continue reading the printed article

"It is finished" the police statement, told the AP Colonel Abel Gamarra, head of the Information Directorate of Police.

Van der Sloot, 22, confessed to police beatings that killed Flores, 21, on Sunday 30 May in the hotel room where he was staying in the district of Miraflores, after having met playing poker in a casino.

The Dutchman was also the main accused in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, but not found the body, was released only on two occasions for lack of evidence.

Gamarra said that in the case of Flores, the Van der Sloot confession was accurate and powerful, and is consistent with all evidence gathered by police.

Thus, he said, police no longer considered necessary to perform a reconstruction of the crime at the scene, as initially thought.

"There is nothing that can change the fact," the official said.

According to Peruvian law, after the prosecutor receives the police report of the case should immediately file charges against Van der Sloot, who weighs about an order of preventive detention.

Similarly, once formalized by the prosecution charges, a judge must rule immediately on whether open criminal proceedings against the accused or declare that there is no place to do so.

The Netherlands faces a sentence of between 15 and 35 years in prison for murder.

Van der Sloot has been held in a cell at the headquarters of the National Police since Saturday when it was brought to the border with Chile, after the authorities of that country after being expelled by the Peruvian police warned that the Dutchman had escaped towards the neighboring country.

According to several media reports, which have not been confirmed by police, Van der Sloot told his interrogators that Flores killed in a fit of rage because the player discovered compromising information about his past when reviewing your laptop.

According to the autopsy report, Flores, a student of business administration and daughter of businessman and racer Ricardo Flores, was killed by heavy blows to the head and neck, and his body had multiple bruises and abrasions.

Last Thursday, when he was arrested in Chile, a U.S. court filed charges against Van der Sloot for attempted extortion of the Holloway family, which was offered in April to reveal the location of the girl's body in exchange for $ 250,000 .

The New York Post reported that the FBI tried to entrap Van der Sloot to stop extortion, and gave him $ 25,000, money the Dutchman used to finance his trip to Lima on 14 May.

The newspaper said the Dutchman was able to travel to Peru because federal agents had no immediate charges against him nor asked to be arrested in Aruba.

Enrique Flores, Stephany brother said to the AP on Wednesday that the family does not want to think about things that may have occurred and would have prevented the death of the young.

"What we want now is that the police and issued its report for the fiscal see if a complaint or not, and why (fees) are going to report" (a Van der Sloot), "he said.