Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[klaasend]

Is this true, did anyone read about it somewhere?;

Joran had a visit from Stephanies dad after they took him to the OM-building, according to De telegraaf.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6917723/__Joran_overgeleverd_aan_OM__.html?p=3,1

Through translator:

Joran surrendered to OM
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is much policing moved from his cell in the police station in Lima to a cell with the Public Ministry.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot was in a car gepantsterde transported to its new home, Peruvian media reported. Dozens of agents were rounded up for the transfer. Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered Peruvian student Stephany, the OM has spoken to Joran. What has been said, is not known. When the businessman and racing driver came out, he was cornered by the Peruvian press.

Van der Sloot known earlier this week the 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room to have murdered. Maximo Altez, Peruvian lawyer of Van der Sloot, was announced Thursday that he's confession of his client wished to declare invalid because Joran during police interrogation was not assisted by a lawyer.

Also fell, according Altez, Flores first Van der Sloot, after having told her not happy with her snooping in his laptop.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I think they are having issues regarding trap fishing. I just find the timing interesting:

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/18528-comentario-riba-reunion-di-diarazon-anochi-entre-piscadornan-di-linja-y-tiradornan-di-canaster.html

Yes, TM posted an article, too.....not sure how long ago, with all of this, now.

[Tamikosmom]

If he wants a steak we give him a steak ... If he wants a cigarette we give him cigarettes."

Monks , I read this quote here earlier in the day, and thought WTF? Gimmee info, I give you cigarette. Steak, well hell I would give him ground skunk steak.

I know nothing about Peru...I assume that because this is so HIGH profile, they will keep him segregated/safe,until he is found guilty, then thro him to the wolves. So for now, I hope they keep him safe,alone in his OWN LITTLE hell hole. And let it be small and dark away from those brite casino lights,where cocktails flow free...let him be hungry and thirsty(forgotten)in his safe segregation.

WHY?

+++++++

Van der Sloot case goes to prosecutors
They're deciding on whether premeditation was involved
dated 1 hour, 31 minutes ago

<snipped>

"This guy is very intelligent but at times has lapses," said Guardia. "And the truth is that he is not a person in possession of all his senses."

A psychological examination is pending, he said.

Van der Sloot is also getting plenty to eat, Guardia said. "If he wants a steak we give him a steak ... If he wants a cigarette we give him cigarettes."

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/ns/world_news-americas/

[MisGivings]

Is this true, did anyone read about it somewhere?;

Joran had a visit from Stephanies dad after they took him to the OM-building, according to De telegraaf.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6917723/__Joran_overgeleverd_aan_OM__.html?p=3,1

Through translator:

Joran surrendered to OM
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is much policing moved from his cell in the police station in Lima to a cell with the Public Ministry.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot was in a car gepantsterde transported to its new home, Peruvian media reported. Dozens of agents were rounded up for the transfer. Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered Peruvian student Stephany, the OM has spoken to Joran. What has been said, is not known. When the businessman and racing driver came out, he was cornered by the Peruvian press.

Van der Sloot known earlier this week the 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room to have murdered. Maximo Altez, Peruvian lawyer of Van der Sloot, was announced Thursday that he's confession of his client wished to declare invalid because Joran during police interrogation was not assisted by a lawyer.

Also fell, according Altez, Flores first Van der Sloot, after having told her not happy with her snooping in his laptop.

WOW, how that man refrained from choking the $hit out of Joran is beyond my belief.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

They have to send him to the Hospital first to check him out, before going to prison..

 I read this earlier too.. but check him for what?  Why need an exam? 

AIDS, TB , he has cooties

 LOL.. Thanks.. as if he prob dont have cooties now and other inmates he will be HANGIN WITH.. GAG !

[MisGivings]

May Stephany rest in peace;

Death Document for Alleged Joran van der Sloot Victim

http://www.etonline.com/documents/pdf_sflores_et_061010_ministeriopublico_certificadodenecropsia.pdf

[MisGivings]

May Stephany rest in peace;

Death Document for Alleged Joran van der Sloot Victim

http://www.etonline.com/documents/pdf_sflores_et_061010_ministeriopublico_certificadodenecropsia.pdf

Death Document for Alleged Joran van der Sloot Victim

http://www.etonline.com/documents/pdf_sflores_et_061010_ministeriopublico_certificadodenecropsia.pdf

[martini]

Is this true, did anyone read about it somewhere?;

Joran had a visit from Stephanies dad after they took him to the OM-building, according to De telegraaf.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6917723/__Joran_overgeleverd_aan_OM__.html?p=3,1

Through translator:

Joran surrendered to OM
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is much policing moved from his cell in the police station in Lima to a cell with the Public Ministry.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot was in a car gepantsterde transported to its new home, Peruvian media reported. Dozens of agents were rounded up for the transfer. Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered Peruvian student Stephany, the OM has spoken to Joran. What has been said, is not known. When the businessman and racing driver came out, he was cornered by the Peruvian press.

Van der Sloot known earlier this week the 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room to have murdered. Maximo Altez, Peruvian lawyer of Van der Sloot, was announced Thursday that he's confession of his client wished to declare invalid because Joran during police interrogation was not assisted by a lawyer.

Also fell, according Altez, Flores first Van der Sloot, after having told her not happy with her snooping in his laptop.

WOW, how that man refrained from choking the $hit out of Joran is beyond my belief.

I don't think actual words were exchange remember Joran was in handcuffs...

[Tylergal]

yep, that was one of the funniest times         


she is a really good dancer....        <snicker>   ehheehehhehhehhehheehe

Natalee was not accidently killed, she didnt trip, she didnt fall, she didnt slip, she didnt overdose, she didnt run off, she didnt run away from Beth or Jug or Dave.


she was MURDERED by JORAN

and the coverup includes dozens of GUTLESS PIGS 

i hope they all rot in hell

Dang, that is a memory from a few years ago.  Those were fun days with bad events occurring, but everyone remembers the cigar bunny thingy.  Did you two really know each other in the other life?  LOL


THE END

 Ready for that cigar yet from the "bunny" ?        

 LMAO Tyler.. No we didnt know one another but Robots sure seemed he knew me.. I honestly thought we attended a Halloween party when I was YOUNG.. I dressed like a bunny,, he said he danced with me.. what a coinky dink.. He was playing with me back then .. Hence my bunny ears on my AVIS's  Which,.,, nobody can see it now.. but I still have Valentine clothing on from 2 to 3 years ago with bunny ears.. I bet I stink.. LMAO !!!      Robots is my buddy !

  ROFLMAO Robots..  As were you !  <snicker>

Well, it made for a long summer of laughs during all this so it was worth it to us, if not to Robots.  Poor You.  Our laugh on you, Angie.  Apologies all around but what a coinky dink that would have been.

[Blonde]

Joran van der Sloot Case

Defence of the Netherlands said first attacked Stephany Joran van der Sloot
Daughter of entrepreneur Ricardo Flores accompanied his fourth confessed murderer because he was going to lend money, according to European lawyer. Stephany said he had lost money in the casino. Seek to annul murder confession

Thursday June 10, 2010 - 1:00 pm


Clean slate. Maximum Highness, new lawyer Joran van der Sloot Said it would seek to invalidate the statement given by the citizens Netherlands to the police, where he confessed to killing Stephany Flores .

"We intend to start the case from scratch. We will challenge any and seek a new statement that the prosecutor presented a translator and me as a lawyer, "said HRH.

HH said they will ask Joran van der Sloot that is terminated by a violent emotion homicide, punishable by a maximum of nine years.

NEW VERSION
According to counsel, the Dutchman Stephany Flores mentioned that he lost money in the casino and that this led her to his hotel room because he was going to lend money.

Highness said first attacked Stephany Van der Sloot, after checking he found his computer.


http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/492773/defensa-holandes-afirmo-que-stephany-ataco-primero-joran-van-der-sloot

[Tylergal]

Posted by READER at RU:

Reader  Post Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:15 pm         

Hello, Sarge.

Yes, insanity as cause of a crime exists in Peruvian law, but it seems to me that Mr. Van der Sloot's lawyer is not basing the defense in that posibility.

In my opinion, Mr. Van der Sloot's defense during the trial is not looking good. I find interesting that his lawyer, Mr. Máximo Altez, according to recent comments he's given to the media, is not declaring anything against the essence, so to speak, of what is publicly known about the investigation.

By saying that the suspect's confession should be thrown out by the court because the public defender present during the interrogation was a "buddy of the police", and by saying that it was Miss Flores who first hit the suspect, he is implicity saying:

1. That the suspect did confess, and that there was a public defender present during his confession, and

2. When he says that it was the victim who first hit the suspect, he is accepting that his client did commit the murder.

I'm not saying that Mr. Altez is an incompetent lawyer or anything like that. What I am doing is to read between the lines. And in my opinion Mr. Altez's words show that the prosecution has a solid case, and that the suspect's defense is going to be very difficult.

Of course I could be wrong. Once again, it's just an opinion.

Mr. Aztec probably knows Mr. Flores has the biggest bank account. 

[MisGivings]

May Stephany rest in peace;

Death Document for Alleged Joran van der Sloot Victim

http://www.etonline.com/documents/pdf_sflores_et_061010_ministeriopublico_certificadodenecropsia.pdf

Death Document for Alleged Joran van der Sloot Victim

http://www.etonline.com/documents/pdf_sflores_et_061010_ministeriopublico_certificadodenecropsia.pdf

Ugh, sorry, this this;
http://www.etonline.com/documents/pdf_sflores_et_061010_ministeriopublico_certificadodenecropsia.pdf

[Tylergal]

Is this true, did anyone read about it somewhere?;

Joran had a visit from Stephanies dad after they took him to the OM-building, according to De telegraaf.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6917723/__Joran_overgeleverd_aan_OM__.html?p=3,1

Through translator:

Joran surrendered to OM
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is much policing moved from his cell in the police station in Lima to a cell with the Public Ministry.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot was in a car gepantsterde transported to its new home, Peruvian media reported. Dozens of agents were rounded up for the transfer. Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered Peruvian student Stephany, the OM has spoken to Joran. What has been said, is not known. When the businessman and racing driver came out, he was cornered by the Peruvian press.

Van der Sloot known earlier this week the 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room to have murdered. Maximo Altez, Peruvian lawyer of Van der Sloot, was announced Thursday that he's confession of his client wished to declare invalid because Joran during police interrogation was not assisted by a lawyer.

Also fell, according Altez, Flores first Van der Sloot, after having told her not happy with her snooping in his laptop.

I guess that's sort of an understatement, not being happy.... I have been unhappy many times but have yet to bludgeon someone to death with a tennis racquet or anything else, though I might have wanted to a few times in my life, but not seriously.

[MisGivings]

Posted by READER at RU:

Reader  Post Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:15 pm         

Hello, Sarge.

Yes, insanity as cause of a crime exists in Peruvian law, but it seems to me that Mr. Van der Sloot's lawyer is not basing the defense in that posibility.

In my opinion, Mr. Van der Sloot's defense during the trial is not looking good. I find interesting that his lawyer, Mr. Máximo Altez, according to recent comments he's given to the media, is not declaring anything against the essence, so to speak, of what is publicly known about the investigation.

By saying that the suspect's confession should be thrown out by the court because the public defender present during the interrogation was a "buddy of the police", and by saying that it was Miss Flores who first hit the suspect, he is implicity saying:

1. That the suspect did confess, and that there was a public defender present during his confession, and

2. When he says that it was the victim who first hit the suspect, he is accepting that his client did commit the murder.

I'm not saying that Mr. Altez is an incompetent lawyer or anything like that. What I am doing is to read between the lines. And in my opinion Mr. Altez's words show that the prosecution has a solid case, and that the suspect's defense is going to be very difficult.

Of course I could be wrong. Once again, it's just an opinion.

Mr. Aztec probably knows Mr. Flores has the biggest bank account. 

LOL, can't you just see how the glass containers in all the shops in Aruba asking for donations for Joran's defense?

[klaasend]

May Stephany rest in peace;

Death Document for Alleged Joran van der Sloot Victim

http://www.etonline.com/documents/pdf_sflores_et_061010_ministeriopublico_certificadodenecropsia.pdf

Death Document for Alleged Joran van der Sloot Victim

http://www.etonline.com/documents/pdf_sflores_et_061010_ministeriopublico_certificadodenecropsia.pdf

[klaasend]

The death cert should show up in a minute.  Photobucket is having problems.

[MisGivings]

Is this true, did anyone read about it somewhere?;

Joran had a visit from Stephanies dad after they took him to the OM-building, according to De telegraaf.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6917723/__Joran_overgeleverd_aan_OM__.html?p=3,1

Through translator:

Joran surrendered to OM
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is much policing moved from his cell in the police station in Lima to a cell with the Public Ministry.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot was in a car gepantsterde transported to its new home, Peruvian media reported. Dozens of agents were rounded up for the transfer. Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered Peruvian student Stephany, the OM has spoken to Joran. What has been said, is not known. When the businessman and racing driver came out, he was cornered by the Peruvian press.

Van der Sloot known earlier this week the 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room to have murdered. Maximo Altez, Peruvian lawyer of Van der Sloot, was announced Thursday that he's confession of his client wished to declare invalid because Joran during police interrogation was not assisted by a lawyer.

Also fell, according Altez, Flores first Van der Sloot, after having told her not happy with her snooping in his laptop.

I guess that's sort of an understatement, not being happy.... I have been unhappy many times but have yet to bludgeon someone to death with a tennis racquet or anything else, though I might have wanted to a few times in my life, but not seriously.

Remember that most of what Joran says is the reverse of the truth. Now he is saying Stephany was going to borrow money from him. I believe he killed her because she refused to lend him the money to enter the big tournament.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Been looking through my photobucket and came across this photo of Dave.. not sure where it was exaclty taken in Aruba..     I could kick myself in the butt for not labeling photos.. I have maps.. etc and have no clue what they are..

[JE]

Is this true, did anyone read about it somewhere?;

Joran had a visit from Stephanies dad after they took him to the OM-building, according to De telegraaf.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6917723/__Joran_overgeleverd_aan_OM__.html?p=3,1

Through translator:

Joran surrendered to OM
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is much policing moved from his cell in the police station in Lima to a cell with the Public Ministry.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot was in a car gepantsterde transported to its new home, Peruvian media reported. Dozens of agents were rounded up for the transfer. Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered Peruvian student Stephany, the OM has spoken to Joran. What has been said, is not known. When the businessman and racing driver came out, he was cornered by the Peruvian press.

Van der Sloot known earlier this week the 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room to have murdered. Maximo Altez, Peruvian lawyer of Van der Sloot, was announced Thursday that he's confession of his client wished to declare invalid because Joran during police interrogation was not assisted by a lawyer.

Also fell, according Altez, Flores first Van der Sloot, after having told her not happy with her snooping in his laptop.

According to Altez flores attacked van der sloot first after he told her he was not happy with her snooping in his laptop

So the defence wil go for self defence? i'd hate to be his lawyer i would never be able to take myself serious again ever.
One thing you have to hand to JVDS he has invented a new type of criminal: The serial Killiar

[Ono]

I think it was Bo Dietl who was on O'Reilly the other night discussing the FBI's extortion sting in Aruba and both he and O'Reilly agreed that it was Aruba who inexplicably (to them, although we know how corrupt they are) dropped the ball on this one.  I think they said the Aruban government has to give permission to the FBI to make the arrest there.

Yes, I saw that, darleen. However, most news media picked up Aruba's slant. It was out there first and a simpler soundbite. The real story takes some in depth knowledge and a closer look at details. It's the same as in politics. Most people aren't news junkies, and the best soundbites become perception. The devil is always in the details.

And everyone credits Greta is the "authority" to be believed on this case and she was the very first to flaunt that theory to the media.