Lively Case Discussion #496 7/16 - 7/18/2006

[Kimmy53]

Good morning Peaches, Kimmy and all~

Good Morning Jacqueline!!!

Well, today is the 17th..   60 days since the filing.. wonder if we will hear anything soon... I soo hope so.

Leslie - thanks so much for the links you post.

[Shizaru]

Here's an updated version of the CnCs timeline I posted yesterday, with sources listed:

CnCs Timeline

11:00 pm: Natalee and friends arrive at CnCs  (Cain, Watson 302s)

12:15-12:30 am: Joran arrives at CnCs, sees Natalee standing on the dance floor, she shouts at him to come dance with her and he declines (Joran's Greta interview)

Madison Whatley sees Joran while standing on platform looking for friends, does not see Natalee with him. Madison and Ruth McVay leave CnCs, Ruth goes back inside to tell Natalee they are leaving (Whatley 302)  

12:30-12:45 am: Laraine Watson is standing at the bar with Bruce Rawls and Allie Anderson. Natalee tries to get Ali to come meet a couple of guys she has met, Allie declines, Natalee walks away toward the dance floor. Only two or three more songs play before CnCs closes (Watson 302)  

Deepak sees Natalee call to Joran, she looks “pretty drunk” from the way she is dancing, she walks swaying up to Joran and Deepak hears them talking about dancing. Deepak speaks to a friend for 5-10 minutes, then can't find Satish and Joran so he goes outside to wait in the car (Deepak June 9 statement).

Natalee again asks Joran to dance, he declines, Natalee leads him to second bar on left side of CnCs, asks him to do jello shot off her, as bar is closing she asks him to buy her drink, he buys her a shot of Bicardi 151, she agrees to leave with him to see his house, she goes to speak to some of her friends and returns (Joran's Greta interview).  

12:55 am: Laraine is standing and chatting with Natalee, sees her go to the dance floor to dance (Watson affidavit).  Possible this is same incident described in Watson 302.

1:00 am: Joran and Natalee leave CnCs, walk with Satish to where Deepak is waiting in the car behind CnCs (Joran's Greta interview)

1:00 am: Laraine and Bruce leave CnCs (Watson 302)

1:00 am: Barbara Blackburn leaves CnCs and goes to Choose a Name bar (Watson 302)

1:00 am: Haley Uncapher leaves CnCs and walks to Choose a Name, does not see Natalee as she is walking (Uncapher 302).

Alana Jordan goes back inside CnCs with female friend looking for stragglers, find one male MB kid sitting in the bar. The three leave to look for stragglers at another bar. Outside they encounter Natalee as she is walking with Joran, a short distance behind another MB group that is going to catch taxis back to the HI. Natalee points to the other group and says she is going with them, Alana's group parts with Natalee.  

Male MB kid sees Natalee go back inside bar, emerge 15-20 minutes later with Deepak holding her by the arm, walk with him down the alley to rear parking.  

Joran, Satish, and Natalee get in car behind CnCs, Natalee gets in behind Deepak. Joran tells Deepak to “drive around”. They pass CnCs twice, then instead of passing CnCs a third time, turn left toward Choose a Name when they see polis car at the corner. As they are “crawling” in traffic Natalee shouts something to a group of MB kids. One of them shouts at her to get out of the car, Deepak stops the car, Natalee tells Deepak she wants to stay with them, Deepak drives on (Deepak June 9 statement)

[flyingmermaid]

Good Timeline!

Good Morning one and all!

Hope you all had a nice weekend - and that you are staying cool.

[flyingmermaid]

Shirazu what is 302?

[Bearlyhere]

Good Timeline!

Good Morning one and all!

Hope you all had a nice weekend - and that you are staying cool.

Hi FM.  I have been thinking about you and wondering how you are.

[Bearlyhere]

Good morning spunkeys!

[Shizaru]

Shirazu what is 302?

Statement to FBI.

[Kimmy53]

Good Morning Bearly!!

Good Morning fm... you've been in my thoughts.  And yes, it is gonna be hot here today - 96 and HUMID!  Glad I have an "inside" job.... Bless those that have to work in this heat!

[klaasend]

Here's an updated version of the CnCs timeline I posted yesterday, with sources listed:

CnCs Timeline

11:00 pm: Natalee and friends arrive at CnCs  (Cain, Watson 302s)

12:15-12:30 am: Joran arrives at CnCs, sees Natalee standing on the dance floor, she shouts at him to come dance with her and he declines (Joran's Greta interview)

Madison Whatley sees Joran while standing on platform looking for friends, does not see Natalee with him. Madison and Ruth McVay leave CnCs, Ruth goes back inside to tell Natalee they are leaving (Whatley 302)  

12:30-12:45 am: Laraine Watson is standing at the bar with Bruce Rawls and Allie Anderson. Natalee tries to get Ali to come meet a couple of guys she has met, Allie declines, Natalee walks away toward the dance floor. Only two or three more songs play before CnCs closes (Watson 302)  

Deepak sees Natalee call to Joran, she looks “pretty drunk” from the way she is dancing, she walks swaying up to Joran and Deepak hears them talking about dancing. Deepak speaks to a friend for 5-10 minutes, then can't find Satish and Joran so he goes outside to wait in the car (Deepak June 9 statement).

Natalee again asks Joran to dance, he declines, Natalee leads him to second bar on left side of CnCs, asks him to do jello shot off her, as bar is closing she asks him to buy her drink, he buys her a shot of Bicardi 151, she agrees to leave with him to see his house, she goes to speak to some of her friends and returns (Joran's Greta interview).  

12:55 am: Laraine is standing and chatting with Natalee, sees her go to the dance floor to dance (Watson affidavit).  Possible this is same incident described in Watson 302.

1:00 am: Joran and Natalee leave CnCs, walk with Satish to where Deepak is waiting in the car behind CnCs (Joran's Greta interview)

1:00 am: Laraine and Bruce leave CnCs (Watson 302)

1:00 am: Barbara Blackburn leaves CnCs and goes to Choose a Name bar (Watson 302)

1:00 am: Haley Uncapher leaves CnCs and walks to Choose a Name, does not see Natalee as she is walking (Uncapher 302).

Alana Jordan goes back inside CnCs with female friend looking for stragglers, find one male MB kid sitting in the bar. The three leave to look for stragglers at another bar. Outside they encounter Natalee as she is walking with Joran, a short distance behind another MB group that is going to catch taxis back to the HI. Natalee points to the other group and says she is going with them, Alana's group parts with Natalee.  

Male MB kid sees Natalee go back inside bar, emerge 15-20 minutes later with Deepak holding her by the arm, walk with him down the alley to rear parking.  

Joran, Satish, and Natalee get in car behind CnCs, Natalee gets in behind Deepak. Joran tells Deepak to “drive around”. They pass CnCs twice, then instead of passing CnCs a third time, turn left toward Choose a Name when they see polis car at the corner. As they are “crawling” in traffic Natalee shouts something to a group of MB kids. One of them shouts at her to get out of the car, Deepak stops the car, Natalee tells Deepak she wants to stay with them, Deepak drives on (Deepak June 9 statement)

GOODMORNING ALL!

This highlighted above, if true, really bothers me.  
#1  If Deepak he was waiting in the car yet goes in and "retrieves" Natalee?
#2  If Satish why him and not Joran - there is no way Natalee would go with Deepak and Satish unless she thought they were a taxi driver helping her into the taxi
#3  Did Natalee sense something was wrong and make an excuse to go back into CnC?

This shows premeditation, IMO.

[flyingmermaid]

Good Morning Bearly!!

Good Morning fm... you've been in my thoughts.  And yes, it is gonna be hot here today - 96 and HUMID!  Glad I have an "inside" job.... Bless those that have to work in this heat!

Hi Sweeties! (Fluffy and Bearly)!

I am alright - Mr. Mermaid went Kitty shopping on the internet and fell in love.  The pet rescue she is at is closed on Mon and Tues.

I told him I was not ready and he said we need to give another Kitty our loving home and that we can save a Kitty's life.  So lets do it.  I said you can't replace Kitty just like that and he said we need a Kitty to love!

SO..........

[Red]

New Front Page Post:

Are you Kidding? Dutch Court OKs ‘Pedophile’ Political Party

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/17/are-you-kidding-dutch-court-oks-pedophile-political-party/

GEEZ ... could these people have some standards?

So pedophiles have rights in The Netherlands … do children?

[klaasend]

New Front Page Post:

Are you Kidding? Dutch Court OKs ‘Pedophile’ Political Party

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/17/are-you-kidding-dutch-court-oks-pedophile-political-party/

GEEZ ... could these people have some standards?

So pedophiles have rights in The Netherlands … do children?

Wow - I thought our Dutch posters were saying that this was rediculous, and just because they wanted to become a political party didn't mean it would happen.  Guess they were wrong?  Unbelievable!

[Kimmy53]

Good Morning Bearly!!

Good Morning fm... you've been in my thoughts.  And yes, it is gonna be hot here today - 96 and HUMID!  Glad I have an "inside" job.... Bless those that have to work in this heat!

Hi Sweeties! (Fluffy and Bearly)!

I am alright - Mr. Mermaid went Kitty shopping on the internet and fell in love.  The pet rescue she is at is closed on Mon and Tues.

I told him I was not ready and he said we need to give another Kitty our loving home and that we can save a Kitty's life.  So lets do it.  I said you can't replace Kitty just like that and he said we need a Kitty to love!

SO..........

I know you could never replace Kitty, but as your hubby says, give love to another in her honor.

After our dear Suzy died suddenly, we didn't think we'd replace her, and we could never, but we did get Maggie and the joy she has brought us has been unmeasureable.  She reminds me daily of Suzy, but has her own personal quirks.

Do what you feel in your heart is right.  Take time if you need to, your hubby will understand.  (((Hugs)))

[Kimmy53]

New Front Page Post:

Are you Kidding? Dutch Court OKs ‘Pedophile’ Political Party

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/17/are-you-kidding-dutch-court-oks-pedophile-political-party/

GEEZ ... could these people have some standards?

So pedophiles have rights in The Netherlands … do children?

This is UNBELIEVABLE!  What is up with these people?????????  

[klaasend]

This was posted by Edward at Refugees and looks like it was originally posted by Opus:

Opus
Full Member

Posts: 114


Sex Parties at Lorenzo's????
« on: May 08, 2006, 08:37:43 PM »

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Just remember, this has not been proven, but was rumor reported via that informant:

-This informant then put this researcher for Dave in direct contact with a teenage (15 year old) Dutch female from the International School, who related she went to “sex parties” hosted by Lorenzo both in his house in Orangestead and outside of the city at another house. She is the first Dutch female to be located and willing to talk, but there are concerns that her parents may not allow her to come forward – they are still working on a strategy around this. Attempts are being made with Dave’s input, to build a strategy where her identity is protected by having her speak with the FBI first, then cycle out to the ALE and to the parents.

•She attended these parties with other Aruban females ranging in age from 13 and above. All were filmed at various times, Freddie was also supposedly part of these parties too. These THREE girls all described having seen a video of Natalee, with an “old man” on top of her with a mask on. Further discussions with the girls have revealed that the scenario employed that involved Natalee, is that these girls are part of the human trafficking that is very prevalent radiating out of Surinam. They are used in sex parties with Arubans first, filmed often in those, then kept drugged and moved from island to island – never allowing them time enough to make connections or to know exactly where they are. One of the casino owners is also suspected to be in front of this supplying various “resorts” that serve as the staging areas for the sex parties on each of these islands.

•Of course much of this hinges upon this young Dutch female in terms of coming to fruition, but currently all of this research is being funneled to Dr Phil’s PI’s to work toward. There are also statements from these girls and this informant, that Natalee was alive when Beth and Jug arrived on the island.

[Peaches]

This was posted by Edward at Refugees and looks like it was originally posted by Opus:

Opus
Full Member

Posts: 114


Sex Parties at Lorenzo's????
« on: May 08, 2006, 08:37:43 PM »

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just remember, this has not been proven, but was rumor reported via that informant:

-This informant then put this researcher for Dave in direct contact with a teenage (15 year old) Dutch female from the International School, who related she went to “sex parties” hosted by Lorenzo both in his house in Orangestead and outside of the city at another house. She is the first Dutch female to be located and willing to talk, but there are concerns that her parents may not allow her to come forward – they are still working on a strategy around this. Attempts are being made with Dave’s input, to build a strategy where her identity is protected by having her speak with the FBI first, then cycle out to the ALE and to the parents.

•She attended these parties with other Aruban females ranging in age from 13 and above. All were filmed at various times, Freddie was also supposedly part of these parties too. These THREE girls all described having seen a video of Natalee, with an “old man” on top of her with a mask on. Further discussions with the girls have revealed that the scenario employed that involved Natalee, is that these girls are part of the human trafficking that is very prevalent radiating out of Surinam. They are used in sex parties with Arubans first, filmed often in those, then kept drugged and moved from island to island – never allowing them time enough to make connections or to know exactly where they are. One of the casino owners is also suspected to be in front of this supplying various “resorts” that serve as the staging areas for the sex parties on each of these islands.

•Of course much of this hinges upon this young Dutch female in terms of coming to fruition, but currently all of this research is being funneled to Dr Phil’s PI’s to work toward. There are also statements from these girls and this informant, that Natalee was alive when Beth and Jug arrived on the island.

So where or where is Interpol?

[Peaches]

This was posted by Edward at Refugees and looks like it was originally posted by Opus:

Opus
Full Member

Posts: 114


Sex Parties at Lorenzo's????
« on: May 08, 2006, 08:37:43 PM »

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just remember, this has not been proven, but was rumor reported via that informant:

-This informant then put this researcher for Dave in direct contact with a teenage (15 year old) Dutch female from the International School, who related she went to “sex parties” hosted by Lorenzo both in his house in Orangestead and outside of the city at another house. She is the first Dutch female to be located and willing to talk, but there are concerns that her parents may not allow her to come forward – they are still working on a strategy around this. Attempts are being made with Dave’s input, to build a strategy where her identity is protected by having her speak with the FBI first, then cycle out to the ALE and to the parents.

•She attended these parties with other Aruban females ranging in age from 13 and above. All were filmed at various times, Freddie was also supposedly part of these parties too. These THREE girls all described having seen a video of Natalee, with an “old man” on top of her with a mask on. Further discussions with the girls have revealed that the scenario employed that involved Natalee, is that these girls are part of the human trafficking that is very prevalent radiating out of Surinam. They are used in sex parties with Arubans first, filmed often in those, then kept drugged and moved from island to island – never allowing them time enough to make connections or to know exactly where they are. One of the casino owners is also suspected to be in front of this supplying various “resorts” that serve as the staging areas for the sex parties on each of these islands.

•Of course much of this hinges upon this young Dutch female in terms of coming to fruition, but currently all of this research is being funneled to Dr Phil’s PI’s to work toward. There are also statements from these girls and this informant, that Natalee was alive when Beth and Jug arrived on the island.

So where oh where is Interpol?

[wreck]

This was posted by Edward at Refugees and looks like it was originally posted by Opus:

Opus
Full Member

Posts: 114


Sex Parties at Lorenzo's????
« on: May 08, 2006, 08:37:43 PM »

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just remember, this has not been proven, but was rumor reported via that informant:

-This informant then put this researcher for Dave in direct contact with a teenage (15 year old) Dutch female from the International School, who related she went to “sex parties” hosted by Lorenzo both in his house in Orangestead and outside of the city at another house. She is the first Dutch female to be located and willing to talk, but there are concerns that her parents may not allow her to come forward – they are still working on a strategy around this. Attempts are being made with Dave’s input, to build a strategy where her identity is protected by having her speak with the FBI first, then cycle out to the ALE and to the parents.

•She attended these parties with other Aruban females ranging in age from 13 and above. All were filmed at various times, Freddie was also supposedly part of these parties too. These THREE girls all described having seen a video of Natalee, with an “old man” on top of her with a mask on. Further discussions with the girls have revealed that the scenario employed that involved Natalee, is that these girls are part of the human trafficking that is very prevalent radiating out of Surinam. They are used in sex parties with Arubans first, filmed often in those, then kept drugged and moved from island to island – never allowing them time enough to make connections or to know exactly where they are. One of the casino owners is also suspected to be in front of this supplying various “resorts” that serve as the staging areas for the sex parties on each of these islands.

•Of course much of this hinges upon this young Dutch female in terms of coming to fruition, but currently all of this research is being funneled to Dr Phil’s PI’s to work toward. There are also statements from these girls and this informant, that Natalee was alive when Beth and Jug arrived on the island.

I see that Edward's post is from May 8th. From what time period is this referring to? Is this recent or referring back to time Dr. Phil was actually having shows about this in early Fall '05?

[klaasend]

Wreck - it was originally posted by OPUS on May 8, 2006

[Shizaru]

Here's an updated version of the CnCs timeline I posted yesterday, with sources listed:

CnCs Timeline

11:00 pm: Natalee and friends arrive at CnCs  (Cain, Watson 302s)

12:15-12:30 am: Joran arrives at CnCs, sees Natalee standing on the dance floor, she shouts at him to come dance with her and he declines (Joran's Greta interview)

Madison Whatley sees Joran while standing on platform looking for friends, does not see Natalee with him. Madison and Ruth McVay leave CnCs, Ruth goes back inside to tell Natalee they are leaving (Whatley 302)  

12:30-12:45 am: Laraine Watson is standing at the bar with Bruce Rawls and Allie Anderson. Natalee tries to get Ali to come meet a couple of guys she has met, Allie declines, Natalee walks away toward the dance floor. Only two or three more songs play before CnCs closes (Watson 302)  

Deepak sees Natalee call to Joran, she looks “pretty drunk” from the way she is dancing, she walks swaying up to Joran and Deepak hears them talking about dancing. Deepak speaks to a friend for 5-10 minutes, then can't find Satish and Joran so he goes outside to wait in the car (Deepak June 9 statement).

Natalee again asks Joran to dance, he declines, Natalee leads him to second bar on left side of CnCs, asks him to do jello shot off her, as bar is closing she asks him to buy her drink, he buys her a shot of Bicardi 151, she agrees to leave with him to see his house, she goes to speak to some of her friends and returns (Joran's Greta interview).  

12:55 am: Laraine is standing and chatting with Natalee, sees her go to the dance floor to dance (Watson affidavit).  Possible this is same incident described in Watson 302.

1:00 am: Joran and Natalee leave CnCs, walk with Satish to where Deepak is waiting in the car behind CnCs (Joran's Greta interview)

1:00 am: Laraine and Bruce leave CnCs (Watson 302)

1:00 am: Barbara Blackburn leaves CnCs and goes to Choose a Name bar (Watson 302)

1:00 am: Haley Uncapher leaves CnCs and walks to Choose a Name, does not see Natalee as she is walking (Uncapher 302).

Alana Jordan goes back inside CnCs with female friend looking for stragglers, find one male MB kid sitting in the bar. The three leave to look for stragglers at another bar. Outside they encounter Natalee as she is walking with Joran, a short distance behind another MB group that is going to catch taxis back to the HI. Natalee points to the other group and says she is going with them, Alana's group parts with Natalee.  

Male MB kid sees Natalee go back inside bar, emerge 15-20 minutes later with Deepak holding her by the arm, walk with him down the alley to rear parking.  

Joran, Satish, and Natalee get in car behind CnCs, Natalee gets in behind Deepak. Joran tells Deepak to “drive around”. They pass CnCs twice, then instead of passing CnCs a third time, turn left toward Choose a Name when they see polis car at the corner. As they are “crawling” in traffic Natalee shouts something to a group of MB kids. One of them shouts at her to get out of the car, Deepak stops the car, Natalee tells Deepak she wants to stay with them, Deepak drives on (Deepak June 9 statement)

Was there ever a time given for the photo of Natalee dancing at CnCs that was shown on 48 hours?  I don't see a timestamp on the photo and can't find one mentioned.