Lively Case Discussion #496 7/16 - 7/18/2006

[klaasend]

Good Afternoon All ~

Well, one thing was established....the call from India, Michigan!

Also confirmed to be from SandraK by her own words.  

[Ono]

Good Afternoon All ~

Well, one thing was established....the call from India, Michigan!

Also confirmed to be from SandraK by her own words.  

 

[Ono]

I have meant to post this regarding Joran's attempt to smear Natalee by saying she called the bartender by name....if she did, more than likely the bartender had a nametag on and his name was there for all in C 'n C's to see.

[thirdstrike]

Good Third...........I'm working and peeking in when I get a chance. I was going to complain that you didn't tip your hat, but was afraid I had missed it!   Now, you've told on yourself...

I guess I like to punish myself CBB!!   Hey, speaking of which...weren't you supposed to send me something??  

[thirdstrike]

I have meant to post this regarding Joran's attempt to smear Natalee by saying she called the bartender by name....if she did, more than likely the bartender had a nametag on and his name was there for all in C 'n C's to see.

Who really cares if she called his name or not. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that she would remember his name...even without seeing a name tag.  She seemed to be a very friendly and outgoing person.  It wouldn't be out of character for someone like Natalee to make even the least relevant person seem signifigant by way of her kindness and warmth.  Doesn't mean she's a drunk just because she remembered a bartenders name.  She probably remembered the bellhop's name at the hotel as well.

[flyingmermaid]

I can't believe somebody would send such an e mail!

You guys need to be careful who you give your email to!

They could send a virus and ruin your computer.

Please be careful - that and giving out your last name.

[Kimmy53]

I can't believe somebody would send such an e mail!

You guys need to be careful who you give your email to!

They could send a virus and ruin your computer.

Please be careful - that and giving out your last name.

Agreed fm... Folks need to be REAL careful about ANY information they post or give to others.  It is really scary what can happen.

[thirdstrike]

I can't believe somebody would send such an e mail!

You guys need to be careful who you give your email to!

They could send a virus and ruin your computer.

Please be careful - that and giving out your last name.

Hey Mrs Mermaid!  Good weekend??

[flyingmermaid]

I can't believe somebody would send such an e mail!

You guys need to be careful who you give your email to!

They could send a virus and ruin your computer.

Please be careful - that and giving out your last name.

Hey Mrs Mermaid!  Good weekend??

Oh Yeah!

[thirdstrike]

I can't believe somebody would send such an e mail!

You guys need to be careful who you give your email to!

They could send a virus and ruin your computer.

Please be careful - that and giving out your last name.

Hey Mrs Mermaid!  Good weekend??

Oh Yeah!

Do tell??  

[Dana]

I got 8 of them, and one of my children opened it.

Its too bad.
Regarding the Renfro statement I have posted this at my podcast page.
It has been there for a day and today I will remove the audio.
For clarification it has now been determined that the document alledging Julia Renfro was paid for giving a statement was not translated properly,any indication that the document was authentic and spoken about during the show is not correct. However many many questions still need to be answered.
My apologies for any confusion.

Mistakes can happen but clarification must be done by those who post such articles.

[thirdstrike]

I got 8 of them, and one of my children opened it.

Its too bad.
Regarding the Renfro statement I have posted this at my podcast page.
It has been there for a day and today I will remove the audio.
For clarification it has now been determined that the document alledging Julia Renfro was paid for giving a statement was not translated properly,any indication that the document was authentic and spoken about during the show is not correct. However many many questions still need to be answered.
My apologies for any confusion.

Mistakes can happen but clarification must be done by those who post such articles.

Hey Dana!!  Wanted to thank you for doing what you do!  Much appreciated man!!

Also, wanted to let you know that Phil Hendire does, in fact, still broadcast on the radio.  He's on a station here in Los Angeles weekday evenings (when the Lakers aren't playing)  I heard you talking about him one day on your show...

[Dana]

"Also, wanted to let you know that Phil Hendire does, in fact, still broadcast on the radio. He's on a station here in Los Angeles weekday evenings (when the Lakers aren't playing) I heard you talking about him one day on your show..."


Yes but he has stopped doing new shows, the replays are still great though.
Funny as heck I think.

[thirdstrike]

"Also, wanted to let you know that Phil Hendire does, in fact, still broadcast on the radio. He's on a station here in Los Angeles weekday evenings (when the Lakers aren't playing) I heard you talking about him one day on your show..."


Yes but he has stopped doing new shows, the replays are still great though.
Funny as heck I think.

Are you sure?  I don't listen to him that much, but I have a buddy who does regularly!  I asked him, and he told me he thinks he's going to be done soon, but didn't mention the shows being replays only...

[nonesuche]

Dana-

We do thank you for all of your fine efforts to assist this case and I did shoot an email to several of the satellite outfits making a suggestion they pursue you as a host as well.

Best of luck to you in all endeavors.

[Tylergal]

Wreck - it was originally posted by OPUS on May 8, 2006

Okay, I sort of mis-read it. What I am asking is when did this "info" first come to light? Are these fairly recent revelations or did this "rumor" originate last Fall? It seems we had discussed this (maybe RWV) a long time ago. Edward posted there a lot -- so maybe that is why.

I don't know.  Edward probably saved the post from RWV.

I have seen many of my posts on RWV posted at various websites.

[klaasend]

I got 8 of them, and one of my children opened it.

Its too bad.
Regarding the Renfro statement I have posted this at my podcast page.
It has been there for a day and today I will remove the audio.
For clarification it has now been determined that the document alledging Julia Renfro was paid for giving a statement was not translated properly,any indication that the document was authentic and spoken about during the show is not correct. However many many questions still need to be answered.
My apologies for any confusion.

Mistakes can happen but clarification must be done by those who post such articles.

Thanks Dana - Alot of discussion over nothing it appears.  It's a shame the first statement wasn't double checked, IMO.

[Always Watching]

JR STATEMENT - SEQUENCE OF EVENTS
 
1.  On July 14, 2006 at 10:26am PST Debbie at BFN posted a statement Julia Renfro made to the police.  That statement implied that Julia Renfro had been paid to make the statement to ALE.
 
2.  That same day, Dana Pretzer did his radio show to discuss this statement.
 
3.  It just so happens, that Red was was out of town and was not aware that a Statement had been posted.  In fact, Red didn't know Dana did his show Friday night on it and didn't find out about the Statement until Saturday afternoon.
 
4.  On July 15, 2006 Red became aware of the statement.  After reading the statement he felt the statement regarding JR getting paid seemed odd.
 
5.  On July 15, 2006 at 7:04pm PST Red emailed me the statement in Dutch and I offered to try and translate it.
 
6.  On July 15, 2006 I spent a couple hours working through different translators making absolutely certain that the last statement regarding JR getting paid was incorrectly translated.
 
7.  On July 15, 2006 at approx 9:30pm PST I informed Red that the statement posted at BFN was incorrect and the last sentance in particular was completely wrong.
 
8.  On July 15, 2006 at approx 9:30pm PST Red notified the family that there was a problem with the statement.  At 10:26pm PST I emailed the completely retranslated statement to Red.  At 10:26pm PST I created the correction document posted at SM which was then forwarded to the family.
 
9.  On the evening of July 15, 2006 the family requested that Red hold off posting the correction until they did more research.  The family was to call Red back with the OK to post the correction.
 
10.  On July 16, 2006 at 5:24pm PST Debbie at BFN posted the corrected statement translated by Rammstein.
 
Red had notified the family 20 hours prior to Debbie posting the correction.  Red would have posted the correction 20 hours sooner but was waiting for the OK from the family.


THE SAD PART ABOUT THIS ENTIRE EPISODE IS THAT THE STATEMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOLVING THE CASE.  IT HAS BECOME A DISTRACTION.

WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING THE RECENT DIARIO ARTICLES REGARDING UNDER AGE PORN VIDEOS BEING TRANSMITTED VIA THE INTERNET, IMO.

Back again briefly.

So Red & Klaas held off posting what they knew was the truth for 20 hrs after informing the family out of respect?

The site that initially posted the mistranslation did not do so until Sunday. They claim they are the ones that did it themselves? The same people who made the initial mistake in allowing the incorrect translation to go out, also corrected it on their own and where never tippied off by Red & Klasend. That is believable ,,, not.

I have one question. Why were Red & Klasend told to hold off posting and not BFN? What's up with that? Hardly seems right.

I believe everyone who follows this case and has come to know Tom & Red and Klasend can figure this one out for what it is.

And once again, yes a thank you is in order.

Bye for now ,,, back to my cave.

[San]

Back again briefly.

So Red & Klaas held off posting what they knew was the truth for 20 hrs after informing the family out of respect?

The site that initially posted the mistranslation did not do so until Sunday. They claim they are the ones that did it themselves? The same people who made the initial mistake in allowing the incorrect translation to go out, also corrected it on their own and where never tippied off by Red & Klasend. That is believable ,,, not.

I have one question. Why were Red & Klasend told to hold off posting and not BFN? What's up with that? Hardly seems right.

I believe everyone who follows this case and has come to know Tom & Red and Klasend can figure this one out for what it is.

And once again, yes a thank you is in order.

Bye for now ,,, back to my cave.

Is he Batman

[klaasend]

Always Watching - Yes, that is correct.  To be fair, Debbie at BFN did have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her.