Lively Case Discussion #496 7/16 - 7/18/2006

[Appeals]

That's right!  I just forwarded it to Debbie.  It's porn
Harrison Ford   Guest
 IMPORTANT NEWS AND INFORMATION!!!
« Sent to: TripleStrike, Leslie, pj, marti, LouiseVargas, LilaO, BarbW, Jerry from Ohio, elize, candace060 on: Today at 10:49:02 AM »

Does it never stop??  I got it too.  Deleted it...was obvious what it was.

[nonesuche]

Wow San-

that would be super cool if indeed AW is batman    

Just teasing AW, we enjoy your posts, so well-written and insightful.

[mishy]

Hi Always,

I read your message the other night and am pleased to see you back again. I have no idea where the statement came from that was provided to BFN, but I have to almost wonder if someone didn't deliberately provide them with misinformation to discredit them in some way. I guess that is just the paranoid part of me talking, but crazy things by crazy people are known to happen. Take that fake email from BFN poster Harrison Ford that leads to a porn site for example...

Human errors are common and I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when they are seeking justice for the same reasons we are.

That being said, I do agree that if they received the info from SM that it was an erroneous translation, then a notation with the correction on their site would be in order.

[klaasend]

That's right!  I just forwarded it to Debbie.  It's porn
Harrison Ford   Guest
 IMPORTANT NEWS AND INFORMATION!!!
« Sent to: TripleStrike, Leslie, pj, marti, LouiseVargas, LilaO, BarbW, Jerry from Ohio, elize, candace060 on: Today at 10:49:02 AM »

Does it never stop??  I got it too.  Deleted it...was obvious what it was.

Ok, now I feel left out, LOLOL  

[SunnyinTX]

I got 8 of them, and one of my children opened it.

Its too bad.
Regarding the Renfro statement I have posted this at my podcast page.
It has been there for a day and today I will remove the audio.
For clarification it has now been determined that the document alledging Julia Renfro was paid for giving a statement was not translated properly,any indication that the document was authentic and spoken about during the show is not correct. However many many questions still need to be answered.
My apologies for any confusion.

Mistakes can happen but clarification must be done by those who post such articles.

Dana...I am so sorry you or anyone got that type of filth.....and for one of your childen to open is is awful.  

Yes, I agree....verification is imporatant...I am so glad that RED and Klaas were able to translated the statement in question and get the truth out.....

I'd love for you to have Tim Miller on the show....the amount of time that Tim has devoted to trying to find Natalee is mind boggling....especially with his own health issues.....he went through a LOT of CRAP in Aruba....he may or may not tell all ...but I can assure you TES did none of the things they have been accused of doing....not the wild drinking parties while they were 'supposed' to be searching....another of renfro's ahem..statements and they did not disturb the turtle nests.....they made themselves sick digging in the landfill as did our own RED, they put  their lives on hold and went to aruba to try to help....and were sideswiped  at nearly ever corner....Tim would be an amazing guest for you to have on the show.  He is truly an amazing man.

Again thank you not only for your broadcasts, for caring, but for going out on the streets as you do. Protecting lives and making a difference.

[mishy]

Always Watching - Yes, that is correct.  To be fair, Debbie at BFN did have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her.

Klaas, do you mean that Debbie at BFN did NOT have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her?

I think the important thing here is that the correct information was received by Red and Klaas and that it is out there now, not who put it out there first  

[mishy]

Dana...I am so sorry you or anyone got that type of filth.....and for one of your childen to open is is awful.  

Yes, I agree....verification is imporatant...I am so glad that RED and Klaas were able to translated the statement in question and get the truth out.....

I'd love for you to have Tim Miller on the show....the amount of time that Tim has devoted to trying to find Natalee is mind boggling....especially with his own health issues.....he went through a LOT of CRAP in Aruba....he may or may not tell all ...but I can assure you TES did none of the things they have been accused of doing....not the wild drinking parties while they were 'supposed' to be searching....another of renfro's ahem..statements and they did not disturb the turtle nests.....they made themselves sick digging in the landfill as did our own RED, they put  their lives on hold and went to aruba to try to help....and were sideswiped  at nearly ever corner....Tim would be an amazing guest for you to have on the show.  He is truly an amazing man.

Again thank you not only for your broadcasts, for caring, but for going out on the streets as you do. Protecting lives and making a difference.

Amen Sunny. Tim is a true hero!!!!    

[Tylergal]

BFN has more users online this morning than Refugees, that's the first time I've ever seen that

1/2 of them are probably Refugees

 

I went there this morning, very, very early right after the statement was posted by MIP6 and there was a huge amount of lurkers.

[klaasend]

Always Watching - Yes, that is correct.  To be fair, Debbie at BFN did have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her.

Klaas, do you mean that Debbie at BFN did NOT have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her?

I think the important thing here is that the correct information was received by Red and Klaas and that it is out there now, not who put it out there first  

Mishy - what I'm saying is that the corrected version that Debbie posted at BFN was translated by a trusted Dutch poster friend of hers.  The corrected version now posted at BFN appears to be fine.

[San]

That's right!  I just forwarded it to Debbie.  It's porn
Harrison Ford   Guest
 IMPORTANT NEWS AND INFORMATION!!!
« Sent to: TripleStrike, Leslie, pj, marti, LouiseVargas, LilaO, BarbW, Jerry from Ohio, elize, candace060 on: Today at 10:49:02 AM »

Does it never stop??  I got it too.  Deleted it...was obvious what it was.

Ok, now I feel left out, LOLOL  

Want me to forward it to you if I get it.

[Dana]

I dont think Debbie at BFN had any negative intent with posting it either, and yes I support anyone who tries to help get answers.
You just need to verify, verify, verify.
Mistakes can happen yes, but this error made JR look good to some and brought out the crazies even more to take away from getting the real truth.

[Tylergal]

   

Has anyone recieved a porn e-mail from "Blogs For Natalee?"
I opened it, and am now scared I've invited a virus, or opened the door for ID theft or something................

Yes.

[mishy]

Always Watching - Yes, that is correct.  To be fair, Debbie at BFN did have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her.

Klaas, do you mean that Debbie at BFN did NOT have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her?

I think the important thing here is that the correct information was received by Red and Klaas and that it is out there now, not who put it out there first  

Mishy - what I'm saying is that the corrected version that Debbie posted at BFN was translated by a trusted Dutch poster friend of hers.  The corrected version now posted at BFN appears to be fine.

Thanks for the clarification Klaas. This thing is sorta confusing!! Do you know who provided them with the erroneous info in the first place?

[klaasend]

I dont think Debbie at BFN had any negative intent with posting it either, and yes I support anyone who tries to help get answers.
You just need to verify, verify, verify.
Mistakes can happen yes, but this error made JR look good to some and brought out the crazies even more to take away from getting the real truth.

I agree 100% Dana.

[Appeals]

DANA, I would like to also say thank you for all the shows you have done on this case.  That porno email is so typical of the detritus everybody has had to cope with if they are in support of finding the truth about what happened to Natalee.

I would so love to have you interview the woman that quit working on the case because ALE refused to get that interrogation of Koen.  Her name is Ms. Flanagan, she was an assistant prosecutor at that time I believe.  She is the one that met with Dave.

[thirdstrike]

Bottom line here is, I think we have to be very careful about making sure whatever is posted (in any "official" form anyway) is filtered for authenticity before making it's way to the collective.  I'm sure every step was taken (by this site at least) to ensure this was the case.  But, to be fair, if we are critical of others' accuracy in reporting things regarding this case, we should definetely expect the same critiques in return...

Just my 2 cents.

[Appeals]

Always Watching - Yes, that is correct.  To be fair, Debbie at BFN did have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her.

Klaas, do you mean that Debbie at BFN did NOT have a trusted Dutch poster do the translating for her?

I think the important thing here is that the correct information was received by Red and Klaas and that it is out there now, not who put it out there first  

Mishy - what I'm saying is that the corrected version that Debbie posted at BFN was translated by a trusted Dutch poster friend of hers.  The corrected version now posted at BFN appears to be fine.

Mishy, are you the one that got into the mailbox at BFN by mistake?  I am wondering how this "Harrison Ford" even knew I had registered at BFN as I have not posted there.  Certainly have never made my email public.  I don't even use PM so am trying to figure out if BFN has a major hacker breach.

Klaas, and all of you who are so computer savy, any ideas?

[Tylergal]

CRAZYBABYBORG, about virus on BFN e-mail.  Unfortunately there are hackers who work for all sites.  Some people who once posted here have gotten their sports cars while others are still awaiting them.

Some posters are very good at data-mining and have so little compassion in them, that they allow the evil to arise and will stab someone in the back in order to be the center of attention, even if it meant defaming the websites dedicated to helping the family of Natalee.

[Appeals]

   

Has anyone recieved a porn e-mail from "Blogs For Natalee?"
I opened it, and am now scared I've invited a virus, or opened the door for ID theft or something................

Yes.

Me too.

[mishy]

I dont think Debbie at BFN had any negative intent with posting it either, and yes I support anyone who tries to help get answers.
You just need to verify, verify, verify.
Mistakes can happen yes, but this error made JR look good to some and brought out the crazies even more to take away from getting the real truth.

Dana,

This is why I wondered if someone did this deliberately to distract, confuse, and misinform everybody. I think BFN might have been played...they were obviously provided the info...

As an editor myself who spends half of her day verifying info, it is crucial, especially when there are rats out there who are trying to mislead and distract...Hmmmm, this isn't the first time false info has been put out there to distract