Lively Case Discussion #496 7/16 - 7/18/2006

[the big hammer]

Bartender Name

Many of the webshot albums previously posted here include photos of tourists w/ bartenders and waiters.

I believe the Bailey Ann webshot album includes pictures of one or two C&C bartenders.  And they wear nametags.

No guarantee of course these are people who were on duty nite of 5/29 - 5/30.  But as Bailey Anne event took place in March, 2005, it's more than likely the bartender(s) pictured know who was.

Maybe someone can post that link for us... (klaas, thanks for posting map yesterday).

[klaasend]

Bartender Name

Many of the webshot albums previously posted here include photos of tourists w/ bartenders and waiters.

I believe the Bailey Ann webshot album includes pictures of one or two C&C bartenders.  And they wear nametags.

No guarantee of course these are people who were on duty nite of 5/29 - 5/30.  But as Bailey Anne event took place in March, 2005, it's more than likely the bartender(s) pictured know who was.

Maybe someone can post that link for us... (klaas, thanks for posting map yesterday).

HAMMER - Good thinking.  I'll go through those photos and see if I can read the names of the bartenders.

[mishy]

Mishy, are you the one that got into the mailbox at BFN by mistake?  I am wondering how this "Harrison Ford" even knew I had registered at BFN as I have not posted there.  Certainly have never made my email public.  I don't even use PM so am trying to figure out if BFN has a major hacker breach.

Klaas, and all of you who are so computer savy, any ideas?

No, Appeals. I remember reading this weekend that someone had gotten into a BFN mailbox, maybe a PM mailbox for sensible (who I had never heard of before then...), but I don't remember who it was. Maybe Klaas can do a search?

That is very curious Appeals...Have you spoken to BFN about the fact that you've never posted and didn't make your email public and still got the HFord email? That's frightening!!!

[Tylergal]

That's right!  I just forwarded it to Debbie.  It's porn
Harrison Ford   Guest
 IMPORTANT NEWS AND INFORMATION!!!
« Sent to: TripleStrike, Leslie, pj, marti, LouiseVargas, LilaO, BarbW, Jerry from Ohio, elize, candace060 on: Today at 10:49:02 AM »

Does it never stop??  I got it too.  Deleted it...was obvious what it was.

Unfortunately BFN has bought into some of the people who have nothing to do with integrity and desire to bring Natalee home, or to get justice for the family.  Those people will tell you they can prove to you where they got things.  Ask them for the information and what happens to you is they have your computer information then and they hack into your computer, many others and mislead people.  BFN was used just like SM was and some of these same people are still revered by many at both sites.  It's amazing.  I am out of here forever.

[Ono]

I have meant to post this regarding Joran's attempt to smear Natalee by saying she called the bartender by name....if she did, more than likely the bartender had a nametag on and his name was there for all in C 'n C's to see.

Who really cares if she called his name or not. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that she would remember his name...even without seeing a name tag.  She seemed to be a very friendly and outgoing person.  It wouldn't be out of character for someone like Natalee to make even the least relevant person seem signifigant by way of her kindness and warmth.  Doesn't mean she's a drunk just because she remembered a bartenders name.  She probably remembered the bellhop's name at the hotel as well.

I agree with you.

[Ono]

Back again briefly.

So Red & Klaas held off posting what they knew was the truth for 20 hrs after informing the family out of respect?

The site that initially posted the mistranslation did not do so until Sunday. They claim they are the ones that did it themselves? The same people who made the initial mistake in allowing the incorrect translation to go out, also corrected it on their own and where never tippied off by Red & Klasend. That is believable ,,, not.

I have one question. Why were Red & Klasend told to hold off posting and not BFN? What's up with that? Hardly seems right.

I believe everyone who follows this case and has come to know Tom & Red and Klasend can figure this one out for what it is.

And once again, yes a thank you is in order.

Bye for now ,,, back to my cave.

Is he Batman

     

[Appeals]

I only allotted myself a little bit of time to check in here today cause I have an appointment I have to make in a little while.  Will check in later.  Hope there is a decision in NY by then.

[Tylergal]

I want to thank Red, Mrs Red, Tom & Klaas for all they do but I see the games that are being played by some former posters and some who still occasionally post here, and it is very difficult to watch what they are doing.  SM has stayed above the fray and for that, I am very thankful for the integrity of this site.

I have made many friends here, who have allowed me to come into your homes, and you have been in my heart and prayers, and it is amazing how many people are trying to use this family who wants nothing but justice for their daughter and yet the users are able to capitalize on the situation while making the family look bad.

SM has done a great job. I wish that I could continue here but it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaffe, and I wish not to continue but wish Beth, Jug and Dave the very best in the future.  I will always read Red's front page whether it is about Natalee or about politics.  

I will always remember each of you, but the time has come to loose myself of this and let the chips fall when the truth emerges.

[flyingmermaid]

I want to thank Red, Mrs Red, Tom & Klaas for all they do but I see the games that are being played by some former posters and some who still occasionally post here, and it is very difficult to watch what they are doing.  SM has stayed above the fray and for that, I am very thankful for the integrity of this site.

I have made many friends here, who have allowed me to come into your homes, and you have been in my heart and prayers, and it is amazing how many people are trying to use this family who wants nothing but justice for their daughter and yet the users are able to capitalize on the situation while making the family look bad.

SM has done a great job. I wish that I could continue here but it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaffe, and I wish not to continue but wish Beth, Jug and Dave the very best in the future.  I will always read Red's front page whether it is about Natalee or about politics.  

I will always remember each of you, but the time has come to loose myself of this and let the chips fall when the truth emerges.

Please don't do this Tyler!

[AZLady]

Tylergal, I have enormous respect for you and your writing.  You have only one goal--to help the family bring Natalee home.  If you are gone from here, I am behind you.

[klaasend]

I want to thank Red, Mrs Red, Tom & Klaas for all they do but I see the games that are being played by some former posters and some who still occasionally post here, and it is very difficult to watch what they are doing.  SM has stayed above the fray and for that, I am very thankful for the integrity of this site.

I have made many friends here, who have allowed me to come into your homes, and you have been in my heart and prayers, and it is amazing how many people are trying to use this family who wants nothing but justice for their daughter and yet the users are able to capitalize on the situation while making the family look bad.

SM has done a great job. I wish that I could continue here but it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaffe, and I wish not to continue but wish Beth, Jug and Dave the very best in the future.  I will always read Red's front page whether it is about Natalee or about politics.  

I will always remember each of you, but the time has come to loose myself of this and let the chips fall when the truth emerges.

Tylergal - Please don't do this.  It's hard for everyone right now.  We need you to stick here with us!

[msmarple]

Tyler - I value your posts and hope that you change your mind.

[thirdstrike]

I want to thank Red, Mrs Red, Tom & Klaas for all they do but I see the games that are being played by some former posters and some who still occasionally post here, and it is very difficult to watch what they are doing.  SM has stayed above the fray and for that, I am very thankful for the integrity of this site.

I have made many friends here, who have allowed me to come into your homes, and you have been in my heart and prayers, and it is amazing how many people are trying to use this family who wants nothing but justice for their daughter and yet the users are able to capitalize on the situation while making the family look bad.

SM has done a great job. I wish that I could continue here but it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaffe, and I wish not to continue but wish Beth, Jug and Dave the very best in the future.  I will always read Red's front page whether it is about Natalee or about politics.  

I will always remember each of you, but the time has come to loose myself of this and let the chips fall when the truth emerges.

Tyler, we can't loose soldiers like this.  It's going to take each and every one of us to find justice for Natalee and her family.  We need you, and I think we'd be doing you an injustice to allow you to simply up and leave...

Look, we all become disenchanted from time to time.  With adversity comes tolerance.  Without it, the impossible stay impossible.  You must not allow frustration to cloud your judgements.  You must pick yourself up...dust yourself off...say a few curse words, and get back on the bike.  And, like I said earlier...this war cannot be won without keeping the collective in tact.  And Tyler...you are part of the collective.

I ask you to reconsider.  If not for me, then for Beth, Dave, and Natalee.

Strike

[Leslie]

Re: Bartender's names at C&C's:  I remember as I searched through many websites for pictures, etc. I noticed that the bartenders have huge nametags and many captions name the person (Oswald was one).  I guess there is a lot of interaction between patrons and the bar staff.

Tylergal:  I do not understand exactly why you are leaving SM!

[klaasend]

Re: Bartender's names at C&C's:  I remember as I searched through many websites for pictures, etc. I noticed that the bartenders have huge nametags and many captions name the person (Oswald was one).  I guess there is a lot of interaction between patrons and the bar staff.

Tylergal:  I do not understand exactly why you are leaving SM!

Yes but I'm not positive that Oswald was a CnC bartender.  He may have been Iguana Joes as it appears they went to Iguana's that night prior to CnC based on the clothes they are wearing.

[hubbylove]

Tylergal,
I know I don't post that often but I will be very sad to see you go.  I find you to be one of our most informed poster and with your encouragement I found a local gardening group to work with and share my love of flowers.  I will miss your intelligent comments and valuable information Hopefully we will see you around once this is resolved.
Take care and keep growing those beautiful roses!!

[Kimmy53]

Tylergal,

Your post saddens me.  I understand frustrations are building, and yes, it is hard to watch some things unfold.  I just ask that you re-consider leaving.  You are an important part of us here and would be missed terribly.

Please take a little time to think about it.  If you decide it is best for you to leave, I will respect that decision.  I sincerely hope to see you posting again.

[lexie]

That's right!  I just forwarded it to Debbie.  It's porn
Harrison Ford   Guest
 IMPORTANT NEWS AND INFORMATION!!!
« Sent to: TripleStrike, Leslie, pj, marti, LouiseVargas, LilaO, BarbW, Jerry from Ohio, elize, candace060 on: Today at 10:49:02 AM »

Does it never stop??  I got it too.  Deleted it...was obvious what it was.

Unfortunately BFN has bought into some of the people who have nothing to do with integrity and desire to bring Natalee home, or to get justice for the family.  Those people will tell you they can prove to you where they got things.  Ask them for the information and what happens to you is they have your computer information then and they hack into your computer, many others and mislead people.  BFN was used just like SM was and some of these same people are still revered by many at both sites.  It's amazing.  I am out of here forever.

This is exactly what these people want... If they disrupt the pro-family sites, scare away good, knowledgable posters with tech invasions, then they have free reign to spread their lies over the internet with noone to question or dispute them.

I got one of those PMs from BFN this a.m. also.  I have ZERO posts over there, just registered to read.  Also, my email is "hidden" in my profile.  I STILL received the porn on my home email as well as the PN.  While I am somewhat concerned that someone might have my personal information, I will continue to come to SM, and post my thoughts... as few and far between as they are.... as support for the family....until they get some answers and resolution.  

As for the porn email, will just have to hope that my computer security is suffficient.  So far it has been.

[flyingmermaid]

I just hate it when stuff like this happens!

[Ono]

Tyler: This is silly. You are a major contributor here. I don't understand why you say you are leaving either. Re-consider. What's the deal?