Lively Case Discussion #496 7/16 - 7/18/2006

[klaasend]

gingerly sticking my head up waving a white flag...........

is it safe?  

Of course it's safe.  Very slow right now though.

Klaas, would it be ok if I brought forward the post you referred me to about the Diario article? I haven't been here much, so maybe it's been thoroughly dissected, and if that's the case, then I'll just look at it on my own, but hoped you could fill me in.

Please do, that would be great.

[crazybabyborg]

klaasend wrote:
the big hammer wrote:
Youngsters Abused for Pornographic Purposes?

Really? You don't say.

And abused by elders no less, who model out web-based business for purposes of selling the perversions to another web of perverts.

The details fueling this story will hopefully be reported. I am curious why staffers seek to inform "mayor" of these criminal acts -- when international nature of crime calls for involvement of Interpol, or at minimum competent law enforcement.

Brian Battjer: Scott and Ramses and homosexual abduction attempt in January, 2004.

Alyse and Bailey and Loco Stefy: March, 2005

Natalee Anne Holloway: May, 2005

Goon: I've done this 20 times before (and nothing bad ever happened)

Freddy and his arrest: sexual assault on minor female while she was unconscious, videoed.

The movies...

There is strange energy emanating from Aruba. And this latest news flash further supports earlier hypothesis that perverted events then transformed into "pornography" for sale and/or exchange -- are widespread on Aruba and have been going on for a long time.

I would bet these perpetrators could shed light on events of May 29-30, 2005.

Nice opening for a "good cop" to get in front of this one.


Hammer - I posted the entire article and it looks as though Sandy may not have seen it all. Hopefully she'll check and let us know if there's any other pertinent information from it. I'm also going to see if we can get Jossy to give us more info.

If they know it's happening, and know there are school kids and elders involved, someone has to know WHAT elders, IMO.



Klass itranslated the entire article for page 33 but for some reason when i hit submit i lost it. I read the rest of the article and basically it says the investigation continues and they will give polis everything they have so that they can bring the people to justice. He also mentions in the article that they know of 3 people he wants to kepp them anonymous for the time being so sd not to impede the investigation. He also states that in one case they have info that two girls were brought to different local hotels for the purpose of makeing and taking pornograhic material to sell over the internet. He believes three men or youngster are involved with procuring the victems and then turning them over to the videographers he believes there are elders that are aware of what is going on and that each victem is worth 2to 4 hundred dollars just to photograph and that he is unsure what other prices are obtained or how high the price may be for explicit pornographic material. Again they will remain anonymous until investigation further leads them to results in which the perp can be taken to court. The article would like anyone with info to please call diario investigative reporters as soon as possible . article states it is a crime that others would exploit the youth of the island for those purposes and it needs to stop. He is also concerned that new laws should be brought about to protect the youth of aruba from such activitys. the article also states that he doesnt have much faith in the job the polis are doing and wants to ask the public that if he can find out info -why is it that the polis cannot. the article admonishes readers everywhere to take a stand against the wrongdoers and not just pay lip service.
sorry coulnt do the translation word for word but that is the gist of the article...
 
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[klaasend]

I bolded that part to make it easier to see  

[Ono]

Easy: It's our quest for those missing puzzle pieces that keeps us mesmerized. The Joran apologists are rankled by our determination and perseverance and that's a good thing.

[Sue]

I can't believe it has been 60 days and we have heard nothing from New
York, are they trying to make the family crazy and us also

[Easywriter]

Easy: It's our quest for those missing puzzle pieces that keeps us mesmerized. The Joran apologists are rankled by our determination and perseverance and that's a good thing.

I'm a little rankled too!

[thirdstrike]

hello everyone!  How was Dana's show?

[crazybabyborg]

Klass itranslated the entire article for page 33 but for some reason when i hit submit i lost it. I read the rest of the article and basically it says the investigation continues and they will give polis everything they have so that they can bring the people to justice. I'm glad that Diario is the one investigating this and hope they keep at least part of any evidence they turn over to the police! He also mentions in the article that they know of 3 people (wanna bet one has a first name of Freddy?)he wants to kepp them anonymous for the time being so sd not to impede the investigation. Wonder who is scattering upon hearing THIS news??He also states that in one case they have info that two girls were brought to different local hotels Wanna vote on which Hotels? for the purpose of makeing and taking pornograhic material to sell over the internet. He believes three men or youngster are involved with procuring the victems wonder if there have been three more hired to replace the "few good men" they had? and then turning them over to the videographers he believes there are elders that are aware of what is going on or participating?and that each victem is worth 2to 4 hundred dollars just to photograph and that he is unsure what other prices are obtained or how high the price may be for explicit pornographic material. Well, it seems a short jump to me into sex slavery from this point.Again they will remain anonymous until investigation further leads them to results in which the perp can be taken to court. The article would like anyone with info to please call diario investigative reporters as soon as possible . article states it is a crime that others would exploit the youth of the island for those purposes and it needs to stop. It would be a crime for ANY youth from ANYWHERE to be a victim of this! He is also concerned that new laws should be brought about to protect the youth of aruba from such activitys. the article also states that he doesnt have much faith in the job the polis are doing and wants to ask the public that if he can find out info -why is it that the polis cannot. the article admonishes readers everywhere to take a stand against the wrongdoers and not just pay lip service.
sorry coulnt do the translation word for word but that is the gist of the article...

My initial comment in Blue

[crazybabyborg]

hello everyone!  How was Dana's show?

Hey Third, you have mail.

[thirdstrike]

hello everyone!  How was Dana's show?

Hey Third, you have mail.

Hey CBB!! Got it earlier.  Very nice!

[klaasend]

hello everyone!  How was Dana's show?

Wendy was great!  You should listen to the podcast if you get a chance.  Covered the Couey case as well.

[Easywriter]

When you close your eyes and picture things that night, what do you see?

Drizzling rain?

Sun baked streets fill with the smell of coconut oil?

Could it be a strong coastal breeze moving across the island, or the sound of music dancing across paradise?

Close your eyes for a second and tell me what you see.  Let your imagination drift toward that time when a vacation was ending and an island bar was closing.  Breathe it in and tell me your thoughts.  Let your imagination travel.

[klaasend]

Easy - do you think Jossy will give you any information about that underage porn article in Diario.  Maybe he could tell you if we'd recognize any of the names involved  

[Easywriter]

Easy - do you think Jossy will give you any information about that underage porn article in Diario.  Maybe he could tell you if we'd recognize any of the names involved  

Jossy will pretty much tell me anything I ask, if he knows the answer.  That might sound strange, but he is not in Aruba and he relies on others to run the paper.

[crazybabyborg]

When you close your eyes and picture things that night, what do you see?

Drizzling rain?

Sun baked streets fill with the smell of coconut oil?

Could it be a strong coastal breeze moving across the island, or the sound of music dancing across paradise?

Close your eyes for a second and tell me what you see.  Let your imagination drift toward that time when a vacation was ending and an island bar was closing.  Breathe it in and tell me your thoughts.  Let your imagination travel.

Easy, I just can't seperate the encroaching evil that I know is coming from the minute she is extracted from everything that connected her to her life, from the neutral environmental conditions. When her vision last looses the last MB face, she is alone with a predetermined intent that she is oblivious to.

[crazybabyborg]

Easy - do you think Jossy will give you any information about that underage porn article in Diario.  Maybe he could tell you if we'd recognize any of the names involved  

I would join my voice to Klaas's, Easy. That's exactly the right question. Of course I'd also like to know if there is any indication that Natalee could have fallen victim to what is alluded to in the article, but that's really the same question, isn't it.

Thanks, Easy!

[klaasend]

Easy - do you think Jossy will give you any information about that underage porn article in Diario.  Maybe he could tell you if we'd recognize any of the names involved  

Jossy will pretty much tell me anything I ask, if he knows the answer.  That might sound strange, but he is not in Aruba and he relies on others to run the paper.

Anything he can find out would be great if you don't mind asking.

[Easywriter]

I want to smell that night.  I want to feel its texture.   The sand, the music, the feel of hot asphalt.  I need to experience those feelings.  Give me some feed-back.

[the big hammer]

JR Statement

Scammed, we were.

So note "REASON" for scam: the timing, the subject, and WHY.

Do not be deterred.

ONWARD.

You are better than them.

And that is as it should be.

Forget it and move forward.

THEY FEAR YOU!

[Easywriter]

Easy - do you think Jossy will give you any information about that underage porn article in Diario.  Maybe he could tell you if we'd recognize any of the names involved  

Jossy will pretty much tell me anything I ask, if he knows the answer.  That might sound strange, but he is not in Aruba and he relies on others to run the paper.

Anything he can find out would be great if you don't mind asking.

You want to know about the underage porn article?  What do you want to know that isn't in the article?