Lively Case Discussion #496 7/16 - 7/18/2006

[hubbylove]

Red,
Sometimes it is almost surreal to think those articles were from a year ago and they seemed closer to finding out the truth then than they do now...  I have no hope for ALE and I will never go to Aruba even if this case is solved and they issue a worldwide apology.  
That place stinks and my heart breaks for Natalee's family a little more every day.  Whenever something in my life seems bad I always think about her family and it makes whatever problem I am having seem so small.  God Bless the Holloways and Twitty's!

[Red]

Amazing FP post about the new political party in Holland. Maybe Aruba is just the porn film studio for Holland. Better weather. Beach year round. It's very cold and damp in Holland much of the time. Maybe they need a warm-weather setting.

Port ... did you check out all the Dutch comments? Some rather eye opening points of view from across the pond.

[blah]

More info to talk about .... a year ago today in the Natalee Holloway case ...

From Diario: Tests Back From the Netherlands

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/18/from-diario-tests-back-from-the-netherlands/

TESTS THAT CAME BACK FROM THE NETHERLANDS SHOW THAT THERE IS NOTHING AS EVIDENCE. Materials were sent from car and apartment of Joran

(To look back on what went on in retrospect ... knowing what we know today is rather interesting.)

Anyone? thoughts? Opinions?

hindsight can be a real kick in the butt

[Port Valerie]

Amazing FP post about the new political party in Holland. Maybe Aruba is just the porn film studio for Holland. Better weather. Beach year round. It's very cold and damp in Holland much of the time. Maybe they need a warm-weather setting.

Port ... did you check out all the Dutch comments? Some rather eye opening points of view from across the pond.

No. Will do so now.

[Red]

thirdstrike
I hear you!  Although, I was threatened without provocation.  But, I'll be the bigger man here.  Not really worth it anyway...

My apologies Red.

NP, I understand ... you know what they say about that high road.

I do appreciate it though.

[Red]

Amazing FP post about the new political party in Holland. Maybe Aruba is just the porn film studio for Holland. Better weather. Beach year round. It's very cold and damp in Holland much of the time. Maybe they need a warm-weather setting.

Port ... did you check out all the Dutch comments? Some rather eye opening points of view from across the pond.

No. Will do so now.

Keep in mind there was a bit of editing this AM.

We had probably 2000-3000 hits from Holland this AM

[Jacqueline]

More info to talk about .... a year ago today in the Natalee Holloway case ...

From Diario: Tests Back From the Netherlands

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/18/from-diario-tests-back-from-the-netherlands/

TESTS THAT CAME BACK FROM THE NETHERLANDS SHOW THAT THERE IS NOTHING AS EVIDENCE. Materials were sent from car and apartment of Joran

(To look back on what went on in retrospect ... knowing what we know today is rather interesting.)

Anyone? thoughts? Opinions?

I can't help but go back to the discarding of the belt.

So nonchalantly they deemed it "too Old"...

I always had my suspicions, but right then and there when they tossed the belt, and when "bone" experts always seemed to be on vacation sealed it for me.

Coverup .  Corruption.

Big time.

I also question what is actually sent to Holland.

Good point.

[mrs. red]

More info to talk about .... a year ago today in the Natalee Holloway case ...

From Diario: Tests Back From the Netherlands

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/18/from-diario-tests-back-from-the-netherlands/

TESTS THAT CAME BACK FROM THE NETHERLANDS SHOW THAT THERE IS NOTHING AS EVIDENCE. Materials were sent from car and apartment of Joran

(To look back on what went on in retrospect ... knowing what we know today is rather interesting.)

Anyone? thoughts? Opinions?

I can't help but go back to the discarding of the belt.

So nonchalantly they deemed it "too Old"...

I always had my suspicions, but right then and there when they tossed the belt, and when "bone" experts always seemed to be on vacation sealed it for me.

Coverup .  Corruption.

Big time.

I also question what is actually sent to Holland.

Good point.

I suspect nothing was actually sent.. is that what you are getting at?  

[mrs. red]

Monkeys,
Keep the faith.. I have to go and get some work done before I am in the cage due to unemployment...

[Nut44x4]

Regarding the car......
I think I posted somewhere here a while ago that I also questioned the forensics done on the 'said car'.......I think and have always thought that the wrong car was sent to holland 4 forensics. There is a thread here: http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4247.0
I never believed that they got the right car ( PROBABLY ON PURPOSE....not by accident)

[klaasend]

I think items were sent to Holland but what items?  I'd be willing to bet the pieces from the cars that were sent to Holland and the FBI weren't out of the suspects cars.  How does blood turn into chocolate and cleaning fluid.

Same with the hair and duct tape.  How do we know what was actually sent?

[Port Valerie]

Okay, I read about half of the comments in response to the new dutch political party. Am relieved to see that plenty of Dutch people are horrified. They make a good point -- in a free society, anybody can make a shocking headline for a day. I mean, look at us -- we took Michael Jackson seriously.

Geesh, where is Dr. Laura when you need her?

[Jacqueline]

I'll always go back to the night of the confession....and the suspect presumed to be Joran, leading the officers to the body.

I really felt that night that by the time I woke up in the morning, there would be resolution to this case, albeit a sad one.

Then to hear it was retracted......

That whole thing never set well with me.......

Coverup.

[Port Valerie]

Well, I'm really a late-night monkey and have other stuff to do today. Be back later, with the late-night crowd I hope.

[SunnyinTX]

WOW Anna...I wish we had a full tranlation of this

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The email address is for THE ED SMITH so it is the same one as with the Chicago Videos.  Note he does not dispute that Natalee might well be in another country.  He does not sound like one in possession of a "recovery video" at all and since the blog owner is from Aruba refers her to the vidoes as though they are normal sight-seeing videos.

I know many will disagree with me...but Ihave never beleived there was any value to these videos.....not as far as Natalee was involved.....if there was why didn't he turn them in for the 250K

I would think a person who witnessed the recovery of a body might at least sort of hint that it took place.  It is all in Papiamento until at the end where he reveals his name.  You can access the website by clicking on the girl's name.  Yes, some of us are still looking.. . . . . . . . .and I sent it to Red some time ago.. . . . . . . . .

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Gister en vandaag gingen F16 zo vaak over mijn kop.... dat de show echt saai werdt ........maar kom mensen lets be real........Als je iets in het water gooit waar ze laatst gesignaleerd is (daar waar lang geleden toen ik nog op colegio zat ik vanuit visage met iemand was megelopen die daar kamperde .....ring any bellllssss ????? ) dan drijf je zo snel en ver af dat je in een paar uur in shark-infested water drijft dus ik denk niet dat meer dan een paar drugsplantages en coca/heroine containers gevonden zullen worden.........als ze dat al niet in eerste instantie zochten...........
Of het is puur show want Natalies vader en stiefvader hebben betere conections met GEORGE BUSH dan nederland en aruba samen.................
P.S. chex out http://www.aru-bay.com for video clips from aruba..........
Maybe we will sell shirts with your own face on it ( ha ha ha ha )But seriously on a totaly diffrent subject.....Xaviera do you still sing ??????

Posted by bulla bentana pa bay visage at 07/07/05 05:33:09


hmmm wie ben jij dan? Nu ben ik nieuwsgierig!

Ik zing nog steeds wel...in een salsaband tegenwoordig!

But tell me..who is you???

Visage: the good old days!

X.

Posted by Xaviera at 07/07/05 09:39:56


salsa ???????
Jesus..................
What happened to the gettoboys and such ??????
Maybe I best stay anonimus...............

Posted by bulla bentana pa bay visage at 07/07/05 15:44:36


how boring to stay anonymous! But still listen to the ghetto boys...just don't sing 'm

Posted by Xaviera at 07/07/05 15:46:53


If you mail me @ dsp360420@hotmail.com I'll be more inclinded to blow my cover .........I'm very shy you know.......WEGA DEN WEGA bo mes sa Asina nos gusta.......

Posted by bulla bentana pa bay visage at 07/08/05 18:50:16
 

[thirdstrike]

I'll always go back to the night of the confession....and the suspect presumed to be Joran, leading the officers to the body.

I really felt that night that by the time I woke up in the morning, there would be resolution to this case, albeit a sad one.

Then to hear it was retracted......

That whole thing never set well with me.......

Coverup.

Hey Jackie!!  How are you this fine day?

I'm with you.  Initially, I just thought the ALE was stuck on stupid, with dumb in their rear view mirrors!  But now...this thing smells of a coverup!!  Hell, it doesn't just smell...it REEKS!!  Anybody got one of those Costco size bottle of Febreze??  

[msmarple]

I spotted something that sheds some light for me on the civil suit, I think. The article refers to Catharine MacKinnon, an attorney who champions women's rights.

Representing a group of women who had been raped during the Bosnian conflict, in a case called Kadic v. Karadzic, she employed a little-known American law, the Alien Tort Claims Act, which allows plaintiffs to file civil suits against foreign citizens in US courts, provided that the defendant can be served on US soil. Previous users of the statute had been isolated individuals.

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20060731&s=nussbaum

[Freebird]

Afternoon Monkeys.  The JVDS sites are in full meltdown--something's up.

[blah]

I think items were sent to Holland but what items?  I'd be willing to bet the pieces from the cars that were sent to Holland and the FBI weren't out of the suspects cars.  How does blood turn into chocolate and cleaning fluid.

Same with the hair and duct tape.  How do we know what was actually sent?

Everything that the ALE admits to sending to Holland comes back negative as evidence.

The chocolate/cleaning fluid spots from the car, the Skeeter video tape, the hair on the duct tape.

I'd like to know what happened to the stuff they took from the house (the computer, camera, and whatever else they took)  Why havent we ever heard anything about that stuff?  What other evidence did they destroy I mean collect?

[Sue]

More info to talk about .... a year ago today in the Natalee Holloway case ...

From Diario: Tests Back From the Netherlands

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/18/from-diario-tests-back-from-the-netherlands/

TESTS THAT CAME BACK FROM THE NETHERLANDS SHOW THAT THERE IS NOTHING AS EVIDENCE. Materials were sent from car and apartment of Joran

(To look back on what went on in retrospect ... knowing what we know today is rather interesting.)

Anyone? thoughts? Opinions?

Yes I have a opinion on the car and blood, i believe it was blood and someone falsified the report to protect the boys, I think had it just been Deepak he would have been hanging already but since joran was involved the lies began