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« Reply #1040 on: June 13, 2010, 04:35:11 PM »

Here was the agenda from one mans perspective of the poker tournament in Lima Peru.
http://hardboiledpoker.blogspot.com/2010/06/travel-report-lapt-peru-pregame.html
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« Reply #1041 on: June 13, 2010, 04:39:17 PM »

Hello, Selena!! (Sorry, I didn't recognize you at first.)

I bet that hitman's price has gone down since he went to prison.
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« Reply #1042 on: June 13, 2010, 04:50:28 PM »

After watching the video I believe this is his toilet, gross just like him.
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« Reply #1043 on: June 13, 2010, 04:51:05 PM »

Well, Red, if you know that Jon Grayson, you can just tell him that I am boycotting him.

As for MedleyRelay, was she the one with the unreciprocated crush on Roger?  She said, in the interview, that she compiled all that stuff on her site as a result of her trying to gather up a lot of information for a man with a forum; she also mentioned Scrux.  I'm just saying--consider the source, and it doesn't seem that John Grayson did.
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« Reply #1044 on: June 13, 2010, 04:52:04 PM »


Davis Carrion ..President LAPT who put on the event with cooperation from others in Peru ..
HE Knew Joran Vandersloot was coming as all players are registered.. So were many other people considered celebrities coming to the event and I am sure Joran did not raise any eyebrows as many of the players may have questionable pasts.
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« Reply #1045 on: June 13, 2010, 04:52:32 PM »

Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

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« Reply #1046 on: June 13, 2010, 04:53:27 PM »

Good job, Tamikosmom.  (and don't sit on any of the cloth chairs in hotels, either)
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« Reply #1047 on: June 13, 2010, 04:54:16 PM »


Davis Carrion ..President LAPT who put on the event with cooperation from others in Peru ..
HE Knew Joran Vandersloot was coming as all players are registered.. So were many other people considered celebrities coming to the event and I am sure Joran did not raise any eyebrows as many of the players may have questionable pasts.


I thought they said Joran was NOT registered to play in the tournament.
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« Reply #1048 on: June 13, 2010, 04:55:33 PM »

Stole this;



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Van der Sloot Biographer Zvezdana Vukojevic looks back at a chaotic year

THE MADNESS OF JORAN

In 2006 New Revu's Zvezdana Vukojevic drew up the story of Joran van der Sloot. In this story her memories which didn't make the book. Van der Sloot: The American tabloid National Enquirer offered me $ 1 million if I would confess to murdering Natalee. I seriously considered that offer.



April 2007. With a big smile Willeke Alberti writes on her just released DVD Box ( on the tv progam; De Wereld Draait Door); “Dear Joran, wish you and your family much love and strenght, Willeke Alberti”.

Van der Sloot puts a scribble in his book for Willeke. “Quick, how do you write her name”? He whispered. Van der Sloot was in the same broadcast because of the book De zaak Natalee Holloway - Mijn eigen verhaal. It's the result of interviews I had with Van der Sloot, fragments of a diary and statements out of the criminal file.

When we were backstage eating something with the Dutch diva, Van der Sloot asked why she was on the program. Alberti: 'I have a new DVD box released'. 'Van der Sloot: 'What is it that you are doing exactly'? Amused Alberti tells him she's a singer. Van der Sloot says he's been suspected of having something to do with the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway on Aruba, 2 years ago.: 'I left her at the beach alone. That's something I have to live with for the rest of my life'.
I wrote a book to show people that that can happen to everybody.'Alberti nods in agreement: You remind me a bit of my son. He was also always very busy with girls. I often worried about him.'

Van der Sloot: 'Sorry that I didn't know who you were, but I didn't grow up in the Netherlands. I come from Aruba.

After the interview with Van Nieuwkerk ( host of the program), he wants to go quickly to his hotel with the bottle of wine he got as a present ('I'm giving this to my grandmother'). He forgets the DVD Box from Willeke Alberti. He's busy text messaging the whole evening. He 'arranged a chickie' who's coming to visit him that night. We barely dropped him of at his hotel, or he runs out the door again. With the bottle of wine in his hand.


Groupie

Mid 2006.Van der Sloot is studying International business and Management at the hogeschool in Arnhem, lives there in a house with a couple of other students and is playing poker in his spare time. He also has a girlfriend who he met on the internet. 'A groupie,'he jokes. He wants to leave his past behind him, he says, although he still is a suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance.
That's why a book about his experiences is a logical step for him.'If I'm old and have grandchildren,I want to look back with pride at this book.' A statement which sounds pretty 'oldish' out of his mouth. I smile. Van der Sloot: 'Don't you believe me?'

The first few months he fully cooperated. He seems relaxed and makes jokes. If Hula Kilicaslan is photographing him for the cover, he talks about 'playen' and scoring as much girls as possible.
The photographer noticed that he's very at ease during the posing. Van der Sloot: 'I'm good with women.' He says that's because of his mother's influence: 'I have learned to always respect women.'


Obsessed with poker

September 2006. His interest for the formation of the book changes if we travel to Aruba together. In the plane it shows how obsessed he is with poker. He insists on teaching me:'I also teached it to all my cellmates, housemates, and friends. Now we play 'Texas Hold 'Em' every night.
On Aruba an introduction and conversation follows with his parents. Paul and Anita van der Sloot say that they rather would have written a book together with Joran, they are disappointed that he wants to do it alone. Soon we are talking about the case. The introvert Paul van der Sloot asks his son repeatedly why he lied so much during the interrogations:'That's why it's very difficult to still believe you. I just don't get it. Why do you state that Deepak came with dogs and raped and killed Natalee while that isn't true? I don't get the logic of that. 'Joran: Well, they are also lying about me and that girl. Then I will also lie about them. 'Paul notes that he doesn't call Natalee with her name: 'Why do you call her 'that girl'? Joran is silent. His father starts for the umpteenth time about the many lies: 'That isn't very wise, isn't is?
'Joran ends the conversation with:'You don't get it.'
His mother gives a tour through the house. On a closet there's a framed picture of Natalee with a burning candle in front of it.

When Paul gives me a ride to my hotel that night he says: 'If I knew that Joran did something to Natalee, I would have turned him in.'

In the morning I get a text message from Joran's mother Anita: Joran didn't come home last night. Is he with you? Suddenly I remember a text message from an ex girlfriend which he showed me yesterday. He thought it wasn't a good idea to react on that, because he already had a girlfriend. Still he invited me some hours later to have diner with him and this ex girlfriend. I turned the invitation down. I'm looking at the beach and in the casinos. Nothing.
Just towards the evening he surfaced. I mentioned that he stayed the night with that girl. Van der Sloot: 'Yes but I didn't cheat.' I don't care but you are too late for our interview appointment.'
'You don't believe me? I really didn't cheat.'
Van der Sloot is worn out, and that night not much work can be done. Also during other interview sessions later that week his hands are shaking. He showed me spots on his back. Later he says he has had Pfeiffer's disease. Regularly I see worried glances from bystanders if they see me in his company. Arubans and tourists probably think I'm a new conquest and don't know who he is.

One night we drink something on a terrace at the beach. Joran's eyes are wandering to a group of girls in mini skirts who are shaking their hips on Shakira's 'Hips Don't Lie' and says: 'How can you as a man don't look at this? There also six of them. Then he suggests to go diving: 'It's a waste if you are on Aruba and don't go diving.''No thanks I'm really not going to dive with you,'I say half serious and half joking. 'Hehe, imagine you would also disappear. Where is Zvedana now..'
That week Van der Sloot again stays away from home a couple of times his parents say. I'm not going to search anymore.






Panic

October 2006. Once back in Holland I regularly stand at his front door in the neighborhood Presikhaaf in Arnhem, but often there is no response. And when one of his housemates does open the door, Van der Sloot is still asleep. I wait for hours until he wakes up, has showered and is approachable. In the studentlike living room there are poker chips and cards on a garden table which serves as a eating/playtable.. The house smells like stale beer and weed. According to Van der Sloot we have exactly one hour for an interview 'because we are going to barbecue later on.''I decide at that moment to do the interviews at my workplace in the future, without destractions. This works for awhile. But soon he lapse into his old behavior. Calling off by phone, or just stay away with an obvious excuse like: My phone did fall in the bathtub.'Or: I fell from the stairs at the station and thought I had broken my leg, so I had to go to the hospital.'Or: I didn't have enough credits on my phone.'

One day he called me in a panic: 'They are after me! I have to tell you something...'
Click, disconnected. A couple of minutes later he calls back. 'I thought that they wanted to do something to me. People came out of a car and ran after me. It seems they were camera guys of Peter R. de Vries. I have shaken them off. I ask: 'But what did you want to tell me?'
Van der Sloot: 'Oh, I don't remember.'
Did he wanted to confess to me something about the Holloway case in his panic?


Pathological Liar

Late 2006. He complains that he has to travel so much to Amsterdam. When I talk to Paul van der Sloot by phone because I'm looking for a document, he asks how the book is progressing. I sigh: 'Difficult. 'He knows exactly what I mean: 'Joran has to learn to take responsibility or otherwise he will become an annoying man later.'
He thinks it will be a good idea for Joran to go to Africa for awhile to do some volunteer work. So that he realizes that having everything isn't a given.
Paul van der Sloot also realizes gradually that his son is playing way too much poker. And money to play poker is his first necessity.

That's obvious as one day van der Sloot says he seriously thought about an offer from the National Enquirer. 'They offered me 1 million dollar if I confessed that I had killed Natalee Holloway. I seriously considered that. After it would have been published I could have said: 'But it is theNnational Enquirer. A tabloid. Of course it's nonsense what I told them.
'If they were so stupid to believe that, well.. Ultimately his American attorney Joe Tacopina found the risk too big.

Not long after this the interview sessions are basically over. Van der Sloot is skipping more often and seems to be a serious gamble addict. He's awake at night and sleeps during the day.
After all the pushing and pulling I ask myself if the role Joran plays in the process of the making of the book is the right one. For a moment I consider to pull the plug out of the project. But I'm almost halfway and the pressure to get on with it is big. But I decide to use the documents, the criminal file and Van der Sloot's diary only to finish the book.
Eventually the book “The Case Of Natalee Holloway” is published in april 2007. In it Joran van der Sloot claims he hasn't got to do anything with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. At the same time he says multiple times in the book that he's a pathological liar.



All Bull****

January 31st 2008. Peter R. de Vries announces that in a couple of days in a broadcast of his show, he will come with the solution in the Natalee Holloway case. Van der Sloot reacts stoic in a text message to me. 'It doesn't matter to me Wink all bullsh*t I think.. Soon it leaks out that someone cheated Van der Sloot undercover into a confession.I call him and ask if he maybe has a new friend or girlfriend who wanted to know everything about the Natalee Holloway case. There's a long silence. 'I only told it to one person, he says.'
'What exactly did you tell to one person?!' Van der Sloot says: 'No,
that one would never......no, that isn't possible.'
I'm asking again, but to no avail. Van der Sloot keeps his mouth shut. Like he did before during dozens of interrogations with Aruban, American and FBI agents. He's already busy in his mind with his next phonecall: his new best friend, Patrick van der Eem.


Death threats

Saturday Februari 2nd 2008. With the kitchen door open he smokes his first cigarette. It's 2.30 pm, he's sitting on the couch, is just awake and his hair is all messed up. 'Give me some time to wake up, ok' . Last night he was out again. 'The police still didn't come right? he jokes.
I've told that Patrick a bs story. Just watch, nothing is true about my story, and that's
verifiable.
His grandfather makes him a cheese sandwich and coffee, Then van der Sloot suddenly says that the coming evening he wants to go to Maastricht to celebrate carnival. Grandpa doesn't agree. Van der Sloot:'I don't give a sh*t about what people think and say about me.' Grandpa: 'He's only busy with partying. Life consist of more than parties. That boy doesn't have any sense of responsibility.'
Then Van der Sloot claims that he is warned through judicial sources that there are death threats against him and that he should hide. But still he wants to go out. His mobile phone and the house phone are ringing constantly. Lawyers call, his parents call. Should he be brought with the car to the new safehouse? Van der Sloot just as easy wants to go by train.

He doesn't know exactly what will be showed by De Vries on tv. But the best defense is a good offense according to him, he would love to tell all about 'that coke addict Patrick'.
He also says: 'I just was bullsh*tting and told to a couple of people that I did it. And I also told before how that could have happened. Why I did that? Maybe to act tough, to give people what they want to hear.'

Father Paul calls and wants to talk to me: 'Joran threatened to jump before the train. We have to wait for the broadcast before he reacts to the media.
His father strongly discouraged him to do an extended interview.
Van der Sloot does give me the telephone # of Daury, the guy who's name he mentioned on the broadcast 'because Patrick kept nagging about a name'. If we talk to Daury it's clear that he studied in the Netherlands at the time of Natalee's disappearance. He can prove that. Van der Sloot indeed named the wrong name in the Peter R. de Vries show.
You don't believe me

Februari 4th 2008. The day after the broadcast Van der Sloot says through the phone: 'You know. Everything is bullsh*t. The shaking of Natalee I made up, because I once saw a friend who has epilepsy doing that. When I told Patrick that story, I was worried that it was an undercover agent, so I wrote a story on my computer that I told an undercover agent a nonsense story...'
I interrupt him: 'Ah, but Joran, you did this after the fact, so that doesn't prove a thing.
Most likely you took precautions after that.
Then he says: 'Maybe I shouldn't talk to you anymore, because you don't believe me anyway.'
That was our last contact.
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« Reply #1049 on: June 13, 2010, 04:55:56 PM »

I just find it very telling that she chose that photo as the best one to represent herself.

Yes ... poor judgment.
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« Reply #1050 on: June 13, 2010, 04:57:02 PM »

What was he doing there then ?
 It costs money to travel and it is not cheap.
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« Reply #1051 on: June 13, 2010, 04:57:37 PM »

I knew that if I joined up here again, I'd sit around talking to y'all instead of ironing the clothes.  That's not acceptable; I'm grounding myself from this place until I've accomplished something around this house.  Have a good day!
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« Reply #1052 on: June 13, 2010, 05:00:20 PM »

What was he doing there then ?
 It costs money to travel and it is not cheap.


Money not a problem if you can steal from others.  Of course this time he had to kill to get it. 

What was he doing there?  He was running from the FBI, he was running from Aruba, he was running to poker tournaments where he knew there would be people with money he could steal from.  If he was in Colombia for any period of time they do need to make sure he's not tied to those 2 missing girls.
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« Reply #1053 on: June 13, 2010, 05:01:07 PM »

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Davis Carrion ..President LAPT who put on the event with cooperation from others in Peru ..
HE Knew Joran Vandersloot was coming as all players are registered.. So were many other people considered celebrities coming to the event and I am sure Joran did not raise any eyebrows as many of the players may have questionable pasts.


I thought they said Joran was NOT registered to play in the tournament.


Van Der Sloot Confesses To Peru Slaying
Stephany Flores' Battered Body Found In Hotel
June 8, 2010


U.S. prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred to a Dutch bank account in his name on May 10. He arrived in Peru four days later, his visit coinciding with the runup to a June 2-5 Latin America Poker Tour tournament with a $930,000 prize pool.

Tournament organizers said Van der Sloot did not sign up to participate in the event.

http://www.wfsb.com/news/23825980/detail.html

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« Reply #1054 on: June 13, 2010, 05:01:57 PM »

Yes - definitely. If you have screenshots and/or other useful information on Julia and her smear campaign, you can send them to the O'Reilly show producer. The email on the website most likely won't get read, but Jesse Watters DOES read the emails - Jesse.Watters@FOXNEWS.COM.

Please keep things as brief as possible and send only the most provactive/horrible things she's said. Screenshots are a good thing!!!

Shine the light on this cockroach.


Someone posted earlier that Anita and Julia Renfro posted comments on Joran's facebook page. Is that true? If so, can someone post a screenshot of the FB page with comments? Would be nice to share that with the media, if only to show that their 'source' for so much of the BS that's perpetuated is a biased 'journalist'.

I don't have a screenshot, but I copied the messages when Kermit reposted them the other day (yesterday?).


05/14/2010

Joran van der Sloot enters Peru from Columbia

Anita and Renfro post to Joran on Facebook:
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I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am
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Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
Sunday at 5:05pm


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Joran Van Der Sloot:
When the devil shows up with a truckload of promises its harder to walk away then you think.
11 hours ago



Joran Van Der Sloot
LOL finally someone that gets it. It's blood test though not drug test
Yesterday at 5:31pm


whoever has the screenshots needs to send them to BOR and Geraldo. BOR is the most powerful person on FOX and I can guarantee you that his staff reads and responds to respectful emails with information.
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« Reply #1055 on: June 13, 2010, 05:02:01 PM »

I knew that if I joined up here again, I'd sit around talking to y'all instead of ironing the clothes.  That's not acceptable; I'm grounding myself from this place until I've accomplished something around this house.  Have a good day!

Later Darleen.  I have an iron attached to my mouse.  Smile
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« Reply #1056 on: June 13, 2010, 05:06:22 PM »

Joran has no appetite and is nervous

Joran van der Sloot is nervous, depressed and eats little. That is what people of the Peruvian police reported. He refuses to sleep on a mattress that the guards have given him, and spends his nights on the cold ground.

Joran seems to have lost his characteristic arrogance in the cell. According to police he was afraid to be killed in prison in Lima where he will soon go live. Van der Sloot has offered to tell where the body of Natalee Holloway is, in exchange for a transfer to Aruba.

The Peruvian government has not troubled to extradite Joran. He will have to serve his sentence there first, according to the Peruvians.

http://tinyurl.com/267zuw5

Thank you EURobert.

Wait till he sees what is on that floor with him!




 LOL  Hmmmmm perhaps Freddy.. under the bed.. around the corner.. etc..  <in this case Bubba>
How did that song go..  1~2,, Freddys <bubba> is coming for you...  3~4.. better bolt the door.. 5~6.. grab your crucifix..7~8. gotta stay up late..  9~10.. NEVER SLEEP AGAIN ! 


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« Reply #1057 on: June 13, 2010, 05:10:25 PM »

Overnight America: Interview w/ Jan Brennan
JOURNALIST JAN BRENNAN TALKS ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VAN DER SLOOT FAMILY AND JORAN'S MURDER CONFESSION

http://www.overnightamerica.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=4718025

Wher is that nice picture we have of her?

Remember, this is the photo SHE has used on her book site.

By the way, I just saw that someone at RU just called Jan Brennan a secretary for Sam Redman, hahahahahahaha, OMG I cracked up at that.



Any idea where he's from?

Last I checked, he's your neighbor Smile

He's in Texas someplace, I'd have to dig out my archives to tell you where exactly Smile

I was thinking I remembered Austin, but wasn't sure...and didn't know if that was it if he's still there.

Is it Richard Samuel Redman ~ Austin, Texas?
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« Reply #1058 on: June 13, 2010, 05:10:53 PM »

Stole this;



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Van der Sloot Biographer Zvezdana Vukojevic looks back at a chaotic year


That's obvious as one day van der Sloot says he seriously thought about an offer from the National Enquirer. 'They offered me 1 million dollar if I confessed that I had killed Natalee Holloway. I seriously considered that. After it would have been published I could have said: 'But it is theNnational Enquirer. A tabloid. Of course it's nonsense what I told them.
'If they were so stupid to believe that, well.. Ultimately his American attorney Joe Tacopina found the risk too big.




Good character witness for Joe Tacopina LOL
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« Reply #1059 on: June 13, 2010, 05:15:51 PM »

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/490245/2010/06/13/Stephany-mogelijk-gemarteld-om-pincodes.dhtml


Stephany possibly tortured for PINs " (meaning ATM pin codes)

UPDATE LIMA - Peruvian investigators take a serious note that Joran van der Sloot Stephany Flores has tortured the PINs of her credit cards to find out.

This is reported by various Peruvian news.

Greta Van Susteren, star reporter for U.S. broadcaster Fox announced on Wednesday that her Twitter Account Anita van der Sloot, Joran's mother, comes to Lima. Van Susteren suggests that "Dutch TV" travel pay.

Meanwhile, Joran a bad night in the infamous Castro Castro prison in Lima spent, report sources close to the previous gevangenis.Van are confident attitude would now little left. Joran would feel insecure and depressed behavior.

He just wanted to eat what the guards as a meal. So he was served chicken and rice, which he ate at the half.

Against the policemen told him: "I do not imprisoned in Peru. I'm afraid I killed, "says Peru's El Commercio website.

In his cell there was a mattress, but Joran chose the floor for the night to spend.

Van der Sloot is in a cell near the office of the Director. In that part of the prison he is in the company of a Colombian hit man and a mayor who has laundered money. (EBO)

06/13/1910 8:09 p.m.
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