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« Reply #1120 on: June 13, 2010, 07:08:28 PM »

Dutch comedian guido weijers (not guido wever) LOL, did a parody on the PR de vries tapes. He plays "JOSE" a man in a taxi in peru trying to get a confession out of JVDS
He asks him about homosexuality and if that doesn't make a mess. Joran answers "in retrospect, i didn't know that this shit would..."  Enough Enough Joran i dont wanna hear it he says...

etc etc I cant translate it all but it is funny.

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« Reply #1121 on: June 13, 2010, 07:09:12 PM »

srry messed up link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLS6OFqeHIc
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« Reply #1122 on: June 13, 2010, 07:13:16 PM »

Ran across this on FB - love it!!



That's great!
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« Reply #1123 on: June 13, 2010, 07:13:37 PM »

Thanks JE - lolol
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« Reply #1124 on: June 13, 2010, 07:14:02 PM »

Edward, Klass- Joran wasn't registered, it would have cost him something like $200 ( EU or USA$ don't know which) per round. Elton Garcia was the player who was registered. Joran's new BFF.
Interesting document esp the part about money coming from Uri Geller-- the Spoon Bender?
I see Joran likes American hotels casinos. Marriotts, Holiday Inn. Must have been like old home week for him...maybe it was.
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« Reply #1125 on: June 13, 2010, 07:15:39 PM »

Edward, Klass- Joran wasn't registered, it would have cost him something like $200 ( EU or USA$ don't know which) per round. Elton Garcia was the player who was registered. Joran's new BFF.
Interesting document esp the part about money coming from Uri Geller-- the Spoon Bender?
I see Joran likes American hotels casinos. Marriotts, Holiday Inn. Must have been like old home week for him...maybe it was.

That's because he probably has connections, at least to the Marriotts.  May even still have a line of credit.
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« Reply #1126 on: June 13, 2010, 07:18:43 PM »

contd...still thinking...and by the 25th he is begging old g/f for money. 200 EUs. To register for the tourney? He said he couldn't afford to eat. I think he owes someone big money and his time was getting close. He needed a big win. Will be interesting to see what develops from Mr Garcia and if he is a part of the Aruba casino octopus.

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« Reply #1127 on: June 13, 2010, 07:18:51 PM »

Don't miss Dana Pretzer tonight at 9pm ET:

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« Reply #1128 on: June 13, 2010, 07:22:13 PM »

Thank you so much Cece.

Janet

You're welcome Janet & Thank you for all the research & links you provide Smile
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« Reply #1129 on: June 13, 2010, 07:25:14 PM »

I agree Klaas, but I think the markers are being called in for him. He is asking everyone for money and I think he is not able to keep up whatever arrangement he may have made to BE GOOD or PAY OFF...maybe that's what killed PVDS. after Paulus was gone Anita cut Joran off financially? Or just lately...this tourny was supposed to be held in March but was bounced to May because of the earthquake at that time. PVDS died in February. Was JVDS still in Thailand and returned home only for the funeral? did he ever go back to thailand- read he trashed a room, hotel or where he stayed, and his uncle had to bail him out....and who is running the store for him now...the Coffee shop/prostitutioncatessan?

Too many loose ends. He appears to have walked away from the business altogether.
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« Reply #1130 on: June 13, 2010, 07:27:53 PM »

Hi Monkeys!
  I've had something washing around and around in my brain all day and it's this.We've all been so mad at the Arubans so called police force for not arresting Joran five years ago.Yes we are blazing mad that they covered up the homicide and we always will be but I got to thinking.If they had of arrested him and sent him to prison in Aruba,he would have been basically a free man anyway and Natalee would still be gone.All the comforts of home would have been afforded him.Cell phones,TV,newspapers,computer,porn,good food,whores,and plenty of visitors in and out the revolving doors.How very fitting that five years later he ends up in one of the dankiest prisons in the entire world and one he will probably never leave at least by walking that is.He'll be in constant fear for his life without anyone comforting him at all. The more I think about it,the gladder I become! Pretty good return I'd say..Ok,I'll quit rambling now..
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« Reply #1131 on: June 13, 2010, 07:28:41 PM »

Klaas, I forgot to thank you for posting the translation of his confession.

(I always mess them up Smile

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« Reply #1132 on: June 13, 2010, 07:28:59 PM »

okay, so I'm thinking the taxi drivers are innocent after the confession.....THE KNEW...BAD!
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« Reply #1133 on: June 13, 2010, 07:32:15 PM »

I agree Klaas, but I think the markers are being called in for him. He is asking everyone for money and I think he is not able to keep up whatever arrangement he may have made to BE GOOD or PAY OFF...maybe that's what killed PVDS. after Paulus was gone Anita cut Joran off financially? Or just lately...this tourny was supposed to be held in March but was bounced to May because of the earthquake at that time. PVDS died in February. Was JVDS still in Thailand and returned home only for the funeral? did he ever go back to thailand- read he trashed a room, hotel or where he stayed, and his uncle had to bail him out....and who is running the store for him now...the Coffee shop/prostitutioncatessan?

Too many loose ends. He appears to have walked away from the business altogether.
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I thought I read a few pages back (from a link provided) that he had sold the coffee shop?  Can't remember how much they paid him for it.
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« Reply #1134 on: June 13, 2010, 07:34:07 PM »

I agree Klaas, but I think the markers are being called in for him. He is asking everyone for money and I think he is not able to keep up whatever arrangement he may have made to BE GOOD or PAY OFF...maybe that's what killed PVDS. after Paulus was gone Anita cut Joran off financially? Or just lately...this tourny was supposed to be held in March but was bounced to May because of the earthquake at that time. PVDS died in February. Was JVDS still in Thailand and returned home only for the funeral? did he ever go back to thailand- read he trashed a room, hotel or where he stayed, and his uncle had to bail him out....and who is running the store for him now...the Coffee shop/prostitutioncatessan?

Too many loose ends. He appears to have walked away from the business altogether.
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I thought I read a few pages back (from a link provided) that he had sold the coffee shop?  Can't remember how much they paid him for it.

Cece, I think the couple paid him 12,000K
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« Reply #1135 on: June 13, 2010, 07:35:19 PM »

Thanks to all who all keeping the forum updated with the latest articles.

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Aruba Lied and another Girl Died … Joran Van der Sloot Suspect in the Murder of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez in Peru … Joran on the Run

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Joran has to watch his back from former friends as well as his many enemies. There is a house of cards in Aruba, everyone was in on the coverup, Police, Government, Prosecuter, and many locals. They would hate for Joran to tell what he knows, it will expose them and ruin there lives and probably Aruba. Sad thing is there are some good innocent people in Aruba who have been taken for a ride. I went down there 3 times to help search for Natalee. The coverup was from the very beginning, and yes, a lot of those liars are now going to pay. Joran would be safer in Peru right now than anywhere else, at least there he knows what to expect. I feel certain a lot of people want him dead today. Get smart Joran, GIVE UP.

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« Reply #1136 on: June 13, 2010, 07:35:22 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/13/dutch-murder-suspect-van-der-sloot-year-slide-world-travel-poker-lies/

June 13, 2010
For Dutch murder suspect Van der Sloot, a five-year slide of world travel, poker and lies

LIMA, Peru

LIMA, Peru (AP) — For all of his garrulous charm, Joran van der Sloot didn't do himself any favors in his online interactions, where his generation tends to reveal a lot about itself. ...
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LIMA, Peru (AP) — For all of his garrulous charm, Joran van der Sloot didn't do himself any favors in his online interactions, where his generation tends to reveal a lot about itself.

"If I would have to describe myself as an animal it would be a snake," he wrote on his YouTube page. Perhaps wistfully wishing the past undone, he continued: "however, I want to be a lion and one day I will be a lion."

At age 22, Van der Sloot is now a caged animal. He sits in a bleak third-world prison, where he fears his fellow inmates. After requesting isolation, he shares a cellblock with a reputed Colombian murderer-for-hire.

Van der Sloot's journey from the quiet comfort of Aruba to being escorted briskly in handcuffs past Peruvian crowds screaming "murderer" is a tale of dissolution, deception and increasing desperation, according to friends and people who have chronicled his life.

Bracketing that journey are the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba and, five years later to the day, the strangling death of Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima, Peru.

Bred in privilege on a Caribbean tourist island, a high school soccer and tennis star, the handsome, physically imposing young Dutchman has fallen about as far as a young man can fall. But between the disappearance of Holloway, one year his senior, and the death of Flores, one year his junior, where was Joran Van Der Sloot? What journey led him from the ashes of one missing-persons case to the heart of a murder?

Who, really, is he?

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The moment word got out that Van der Sloot was suspected of Flores' murder, speculation swirled that he'd left a trail of young female victims in his travels — that he was something of a playboy killer for the globalized 21st century. He likes to travel, after all, and there were visits to Cambodia, Hong Kong, Venezuela, the United States.

Peruvian police officials called Van der Sloot a "psychopath." A New York detective who worked for the Holloways, Bo Dietl, branded him "a homicidal maniac."

But no evidence has emerged thus far linking Van der Sloot to any other disappearances or killings, and he certainly does not fit the profile of a deranged loner. He has had plenty of interpersonal relationships — friends, girlfriends, ardent defenders.

"Joran isn't a monster and isn't a serial killer," his cousin, Natalia den Boer, told the AP. "I think that Joran needs help. Because something is bad in his head."

Before Lima, the only case in the past five years where he's known to have caused bodily harm was in January 2008. Then, he threw a glass of red wine in the face of Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries right after a live TV program on which the journalist called him a liar.

But the five years in between those brackets — Holloway and Flores — were bumpy ones for Van der Sloot:

He is twice arrested in the Holloway disappearance, and twice released. He is harassed by crime-obsessed media and tracked doggedly by investigators hired by the Holloway family.

He relocates to Holland but, perpetually accosted, can't live a normal university student's life. He settles in Thailand, where he studies business without earning a degree. He buys a coffee shop.

In February, his prominent lawyer father collapses and dies of a heart attack on an Aruba tennis court at age 57. Van der Sloot flies home, lingering there after the funeral.

Then he moves. Strapped for cash, he obtains $25,000 from Holloway's mother in exchange for a promise to lead her to her daughter's body. The FBI secretly records the alleged extortion but Van der Sloot is not arrested.

Instead, he heads off to Lima to play poker. He kills Flores, Peru's police say, after a night of poker with her at a casino in which he had about 10 drinks of whiskey and pisco while she drank wine. The evidence against him is so overwhelming, they say, that he has no choice but to confess.

But what motivated Van der Sloot, as his signed confession describes, to slam Flores in the face with his right elbow, strangle her for a full minute, then take off his shirt and asphyxiate her?

In the confession, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, he says Flores threw the first blow.

The two were playing online poker on his laptop, said Van der Sloot, when an insulting message arrived mentioning the Holloway case and saying, "I'm going to kill you, you little Mongoloid." He said that after he explained the Holloway disappearance and how he'd been accused of it, she punched him on the left side of his head.

There is no mention in the confession about Flores and Van der Sloot having sexual relations. Police say there is no evidence of sexual abuse.

Peru's criminal police chief, Gen. Cesar Guardia, says he's skeptical about Van der Sloot's story. The defendant is, after all, a person who described himself as "a pathological liar" in a 2007 book he co-wrote when several of the figures in the Holloway saga cashed in on the case with published accounts.

Asked about his motive for killing Flores, Van der Sloot told his questioners he didn't really know. "I lost control of my actions," the confession quotes him as saying. "I didn't know what I was doing."

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Van der Sloot's Facebook picture is a near-empty bottle of Johnny Walker Red whisky, corked, with a powerboat at rest in the ocean as a backdrop.

He likes the rapper Notorious B.I.G. and pop singer Katy Perry, the TV show South Park. He has 160 kills in the game "Mob Wars" and likes "Pissing in random places when totally drunk/wasted," Texas Hold'em Poker, Heineken beer and Barack Obama.

On his DateInAsia.com profile page, created when he was living in Thailand, he says he is attractive, agnostic, a smoker, regular drinker and a former professional card player. He retired from cards, he says, because it's "too much stress and ups and downs."

In the sleepy Bangkok suburb of Muang Ake, he attended Rangsit University in 2008 as a business major but dropped out and bought the Sawadee Cup cafe just off the campus, which served sandwiches and pizza.

One person who met Van der Sloot there, a 35-year-old schoolteacher from Illinois named Matthew Lufcy, was struck by his cavalier attitude about his notoriety.

"I would describe him as arrogant, like nobody can do anything to me. He wasn't shy about it," Lufcy said. He said he met Van der Sloot's then-girlfriend, a blonde from California. Lufcy was surprised, given all the media attention on him, that she was with him.

Van der Sloot may have been a charmer, but he apparently wasn't much of a businessman. So says the young Thai woman who, with her American boyfriend, bought the cafe from him early this year.

"I looked at the documents and balance sheets he left. Many items just look wrong," said the woman, who would identify herself only by her first name, Siripat. Still, Siripat described him as "a very affable guy. He'd invite us for meals. Sometimes, he'd let us eat for free at his cafe."

One souvenir Van der Sloot apparently picked up in Thailand is visible on his chest in a photo taken during a medical checkup after Chilean police handed him over to Peruvian authorities on June 4. It is a tattoo that says, in Thai, "never mind." The word reflects two prominent characteristics of Thai culture in foreigners' eyes: tolerance and forgiveness.

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If Joran van der Sloot can be said to have a nemesis, it is De Vries, a no-nonsense 53-year-old investigative reporter who has refused to leave him alone.

In 2008, the Dutch crime journalist broadcast video of Van der Sloot confessing in front of hidden cameras in the Netherlands to having a friend dispose of Holloway's body after, intoxicated, she went into convulsions. In the conversation with businessmen and ex-con Patrick Van Eem, Van der Sloot describes how he wanted her to give him oral sex.

In the video, Van Eem comments on the huge media hype the Holloway case has caused. Van der Sloot, smoking what appears to be a large marijuana joint, smiles.

"But now," he says, "I can abuse that as well."

Nine months later, De Vries drops another bombshell. He airs undercover footage of Van der Sloot in Bangkok alleging that he was trying to recruit Thai women to go to the Netherlands to work as prostitutes. No women were actually delivered, and Thai authorities have no record of ever opening an investigation.

Van der Sloot's next confession comes that same month — November 2008. He tells Fox News' Greta van Susteren that he sold Natalee into sexual slavery. But before she airs the interview, he calls to say it was all a lie.

In recent months, particularly after the death of his father, it appears Van der Sloot got back into gambling in a big way online.

"I do not have a real job but am a professional poker player," he says on his YouTube page. He says he hasn't read many books, but if he had to choose a favorite it would be "Ace on the River" by Barry Greenstein, a poker strategy book.

Jaap Amesz, a Dutch reality TV star, befriended Van der Sloot and extracted yet another confession from him in the Holloway disappearance. In this one, she falls off a balcony drunk and is disposed of in a swampy lake.

On his blog, Amesz writes about how Van der Sloot was often broke and constantly losing at poker. Van der Sloot, Amesz acknowledges, has swindled him, too.

"He likes to think of himself as a gambler, but he's a loser," said Harold Copus, a former FBI agent who worked as a private investigator for Holloway's family.

The Van der Sloot family's finances were already depleted hiring lawyers to defend him in the Holloway case. Now his mother Anita, an art teacher at Aruba's international school, must pay for defense counsel in Peru.

"She is devastated. She just lost her husband a few months ago, and now she's essentially lost her son," said Julia Renfro, editor-in-chief of the newspaper Aruba Today.

Neither Van der Sloot's mother, his two younger brothers or his friends or neighbors would speak to the AP about the case. An old girlfriend, Aline Hibbert, replaced her Facebook photo with a picture of words:

"Mind Your Own Business."


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On his TV show's blog last week, De Vries reported that its reporters "have gotten countless e-mails in recent months pointing to the money problems Joran had. He made up anything to get money, and did not hesitate to pry money from the pockets of friends or his own family."

The blog publishes an instant-message exchange it says is between Van der Sloot and a 20-year-old girlfriend five days before Flores was killed. In it, he asks her to wire him 300 euros in Peru. He claims his wallet has been stolen.

Separately, Amesz said on his blog that a close friend of Van der Sloot's told him Joran had run out of money, didn't know how he'd pay his hotel bill and was hungry.

In the Peru confession, Van der Sloot says he took the equivalent of $300 from Flores' wallet and that he also paid drivers who took him south to Chile with his digital camera, his watch and some clothing.

On the day he was arrested outside the Chilean capital, Van der Sloot told police an elaborate story of two bandits jumping him and Flores in his Lima hotel room. According to a transcript obtained by the AP, he asserted that one was armed with a pistol, the other with a knife.

The knife-wielder told them to be quiet, it says, "but Stephany starts to talk in a loud voice and he strikes her in the face, making her bleed from the nose." The same men, Van der Sloot claims, had pulled over Flores' car the previous day and robbed them, taking $4,000 from her and a Thai bracelet from him.

One person Van der Sloot didn't deceive in Lima was Roberto Blades, brother of the famed Panamanian singer and former government minister Ruben Blades. He told Peruvian media that he played poker at the same table as Van der Sloot at the Atlantic City casino in Lima's upscale Miraflores district and said he warned casino employees about the Dutchman.

Blades, who lives in Miami, said he was surprised at how no one in Peru seemed to have heard about the Holloway case.

He also said in one TV interview that he was astounded by Van der Sloot's brazenness in asking for help to find female companionship: "When you have that reputation, when you have history, how can you so openly be talking about how you want to pick up women?"

For an answer, he might have turned to his acquaintance's YouTube page. Listed by Van der Sloot there as one of his favorite songs is "Fear," by the rap artist Drake.

In its refrain, the rapper sings plaintively: "Please don't be scared of me."
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« Reply #1137 on: June 13, 2010, 07:37:46 PM »

Reading his confession one thing I noticed: 

He seemed to be thinking he had everyting all figured out as how to be switched out to Aruba or Holland muy pronto; -and when quizzed about where his money sources originated, he grows testy and wants to get off the subject.  His describing the murder doesn't seem to bother him as much, IMO.  You can almost hear his wheels moving in his head,  He casual depravity is scary.
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« Reply #1138 on: June 13, 2010, 07:38:02 PM »

I agree Klaas, but I think the markers are being called in for him. He is asking everyone for money and I think he is not able to keep up whatever arrangement he may have made to BE GOOD or PAY OFF...maybe that's what killed PVDS. after Paulus was gone Anita cut Joran off financially? Or just lately...this tourny was supposed to be held in March but was bounced to May because of the earthquake at that time. PVDS died in February. Was JVDS still in Thailand and returned home only for the funeral? did he ever go back to thailand- read he trashed a room, hotel or where he stayed, and his uncle had to bail him out....and who is running the store for him now...the Coffee shop/prostitutioncatessan?

Too many loose ends. He appears to have walked away from the business altogether.
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I thought I read a few pages back (from a link provided) that he had sold the coffee shop?  Can't remember how much they paid him for it.

Here is one article I snipped:

Van der Sloot may have been a charmer, but he apparently wasn't much of a businessman. So says the young Thai woman who, with her American boyfriend, bought the cafe from him early this year.

"I looked at the documents and balance sheets he left. Many items just look wrong," said the woman, who would identify herself only by her first name, Siripat. Still, Siripat described him as "a very affable guy. He'd invite us for meals. Sometimes, he'd let us eat for free at his cafe."

One souvenir Van der Sloot apparently picked up in Thailand is visible on his chest in a photo taken during a medical checkup after Chilean police handed him over to Peruvian authorities on June 4. It is a tattoo that says, in Thai, "never mind."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/06/13/bracketed_by_crimes_van_der_sloots_last_5_years/?page=full

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« Reply #1139 on: June 13, 2010, 07:38:03 PM »

Sorry if this is a repeat:

Statement Joran van der Sloot

Below is the complete translation of the ten pages of explanation of Joran van der Sloot.

Statement by Peter Andreaus Joran van der Sloot (22)



Original link:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6944033/__Verklaring_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html?cid=short

(I can't get the google translation link to work)



Thanks Cece!

Dutch to English translation (so it was Spanish to Dutch then google Dutch to English):

Statement Joran van der Sloot
NO - The following is the complete translation of the ten pages of the declaration of Joran van der Sloot.



26. Is it true that you then have attracted her clothes and if so, why?

- I really do not know, but I think so. It was after her to have slain. It was her pants and her shoes, but nothing else. I do not know why I did it.



Here is something weird that got lost in translation

26. Is it true that you put on her clothes? and if so why?

A: I dont know but i think so. It happened after killing her. It was her pants and her shoes but nothing else i dont know why i did it.
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