Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Anna]

Will be interested to hear what Kermit has to say about this death.
Was he one of the four living @ the address where capslocks postings came from?

Can, No this is a younger one.  Was only about 25-26 when Natalee disappeared.  I believe he was attending school in Florida and may have been friends with that Gabe Leo who used to post on the FP a lot.

It's been so long I can't remember much about him but is not one of the heads of Capslockwizard.  But now that you mention it, may be where CLW got the idea to come and mess with people. 

In the beginning, Shango was like a game and some did enjoy decyphering his coded messages but he never really knew anything not public knowledge so eventually most lost interest.

There are threads here in the archives found on the Index pages for anyone interested.

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[can]

I want to see Joran alive. 
I want to see Joran convicted @ his trial.
This is important that it is on the books.  Stefany and her family deserve that.

After that I don't give a DAMN what happens to him.

Me too!!!  But I hope Natalee is found during this process....then piss on him!

Yes, that goes without saying. 

[Jo-An]

I want to see Joran alive. 
I want to see Joran convicted @ his trial.
This is important that it is on the books.  Stefany and her family deserve that.

After that I don't give a DAMN what happens to him.

Amen to that!

[Edward]

DAMN.. THAT WOMAN IS UGLY

[klaasend]

Natalee Holloway's family awaits closure


Saturday, June 12, 2010, 7:45 AM
Carol Robinson -- The Birmingham News


Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, second left, is escorted by police officers in Lima, Peru, on Friday. (The Associated Press)
Joran van der Sloot's claim to Peruvian officials that he will reveal the loca­tion of Natalee Holloway's body offers some hope to the family of the missing teen.

Though the 22-year-old Dutchman, officially charged Friday with the murder of Stephany Flores, has lied countless times, Holloway's family said this time feels different.


"His butt's in a crack right now and I think he's going to do anything he can to keep from going to prison in Peru," said Jug Twitty, Hol­loway's stepfather. "It's just a wait and see. We've been down this road so many times. We just pray this time will be different."

A Peruvian judge on Fri­day ordered van der Sloot jailed on charges of first-de­gree murder and robbery in the killing of a 21-year-old Lima woman, determining that he acted with "ferocity and great cruelty."

Lima Superior Court Judge Juan Buendia issued the order before dawn Friday, instructing penal authorities to place van der Sloot in a penitentiary pending trial.

Police say van der Sloot smashed in the face of Lima business student Stephany Flores, whom he met playing poker at a casino, after taking her to his hotel room on May 30. They say he then strangled her, threw her to the floor and emptied her wallet.

If convicted on the murder and robbery charges, van der Sloot would be sentenced to between 15 and 35 years in prison, court spokesman Luis Gallardo told The Associated Press.

Van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of the Mountain Brook teen, told investigators in Peru he knows the location of Holloway's body, CNN reported Thursday night.

Van der Sloot said he would only tell authorities in Aruba the location of Holloway's body, which has never been found, despite extensive searches.

Van der Sloot, a citizen of the Netherlands who lives much of the time in Aruba, has been arrested twice but released each time in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

Federal officials in Birmingham have charged van der Sloot with wire fraud and extortion after they say he offered to disclose Holloway's whereabouts in exchange for $250,000. After receiving a down payment, van der Sloot provided a bogus location of her body.

From his Birmingham office, Twitty said Friday he hopes Aruban authorities will follow up on van der Sloot's claim.

"There's no doubt in my mind that he knows where the body is," Twitty said. "I would hope the Aruban authorities Peru and let him talk."

Twitty said he wouldn't be against van der Sloot being allowed to go to Aruba to lead investigators to Holloway's remains.

"If it would give us an answer, absolutely we would be for it," he said. "I doubt if Stephany's parents and Peru would allow that to happen."

Do others know?

Twitty said he has long suspected that there are others in Aruba, in addition to van der Sloot and his father, who passed away in February, who know what happened to Holloway.

"There are probably a lot of people in Aruba nervous right now," Twitty said.

Holloway's family is watching and hoping and planning to let authorities handle van der Sloot's latest revelation.

"Beth has got so many things going on with her different projects," he said, "the best thing for us to do is sit back and wait."


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/natalee_holloways_family_await.html

[Jerseygirl345]

The psychopath deviant murderer being fingerprinted, handcuffed , chained and given him his sleeping blanket before being transported to Miguel Castro Castro ..

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.peru.com%2Fnoticias%2F

[Edward]

I have never seen any proof of a toxicology report or related drug test out of Chile.
I do not think they did one, they just held onto Joran and dropped his happy ass off at the border.

Neither can I recall any toxicology report.  I DO recall, though, reports that VDS claimed to have been under the influence at the time of the homicide.  Such a claim might well be false.  Under many legal systems, intoxication is considered a mitigating circumstance, lessening a perpetrator's culpability -- and corresponding punishment -- for the commission of an illegal act.  Making such a false claim during the course of his confession would be thoroughly in keeping with VDS' manipulative nature. 

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439

Thank you for clarifying that Jo-An

[Maggie]

Did we ever find out who CAPSLOCKWIZARD was?

[nonesuche]

I have never seen any proof of a toxicology report or related drug test out of Chile.
I do not think they did one, they just held onto Joran and dropped his happy ass off at the border.

Neither can I recall any toxicology report.  I DO recall, though, reports that VDS claimed to have been under the influence at the time of the homicide.  Such a claim might well be false.  Under many legal systems, intoxication is considered a mitigating circumstance, lessening a perpetrator's culpability -- and corresponding punishment -- for the commission of an illegal act.  Making such a false claim during the course of his confession would be thoroughly in keeping with VDS' manipulative nature. 

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439

Misgivings posted this article a few pages back, it's written by Barbie Nadeau who was featured in the Dateline show last night. It seems she's been writing about Joran for several years......

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/joran-van-der-sloots-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=hp:mainpromo2

Anyway, this article states that Joran did not test positive for drugs but I'm no expert in how long marijuana or cocaine stay in your system but I would assume she's done her homework on that?

After van der Sloot was loaded back into the van to be transported to Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, Police General Cesar Guardia told The Daily Beast that most of what the accused murderer had confessed were blatant lies. "His toxicological report shows no signs that he had ingested any kind of drug," Guardia said, countering van der Sloot's perhaps strategic claim that he was high on marijuana when he killed Flores—in Peru, felony crimes committed under the influence of drugs can be treated with leniency in the courts.

[can]

Will be interested to hear what Kermit has to say about this death.
Was he one of the four living @ the address where capslocks postings came from?

Can, No this is a younger one.  Was only about 25-26 when Natalee disappeared.  I believe he was attending school in Florida and may have been friends with that Gabe Leo who used to post on the FP a lot.

It's been so long I can't remember much about him but is not one of the heads of Capslockwizard.  But now that you mention it, may be where CLW got the idea to come and mess with people. 

In the beginning, Shango was like a game and some did enjoy decyphering his coded messages but he never really knew anything not public knowledge so eventually most lost interest.

There are threads here in the archives found on the Index pages for anyone interested.

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Thanks Anna.  I was thinking of the caps posts to SM though.  I believe Kermit thinks there were four guys posting.  Young guys that were all living at the same address in Aruba. 

I recall reading some of the shango posts early on.  Never could make heads or tails from them, except they were laced with some stuff we already knew.

[Edward]

Twitty said he wouldn't be against van der Sloot being allowed to go to Aruba to lead investigators to Holloway's remains.


Jug... shhh
Joran is an idiot..Other people moved her long ago.
jmho

[Anna]

Well, maybe that toxicology report just got lost if it would give any mitigating circumstances. 



Now wouldn't that be a shame if somebody "Paulus-ed" it?

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[can]

Did we ever find out who CAPSLOCKWIZARD was?

uh huh.

[Jo-An]

I have never seen any proof of a toxicology report or related drug test out of Chile.
I do not think they did one, they just held onto Joran and dropped his happy ass off at the border.

Neither can I recall any toxicology report.  I DO recall, though, reports that VDS claimed to have been under the influence at the time of the homicide.  Such a claim might well be false.  Under many legal systems, intoxication is considered a mitigating circumstance, lessening a perpetrator's culpability -- and corresponding punishment -- for the commission of an illegal act.  Making such a false claim during the course of his confession would be thoroughly in keeping with VDS' manipulative nature. 

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439

Misgivings posted this article a few pages back, it's written by Barbie Nadeau who was featured in the Dateline show last night. It seems she's been writing about Joran for several years......

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/joran-van-der-sloots-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=hp:mainpromo2

Anyway, this article states that Joran did not test positive for drugs but I'm no expert in how long marijuana or cocaine stay in your system but I would assume she's done her homework on that?

After van der Sloot was loaded back into the van to be transported to Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, Police General Cesar Guardia told The Daily Beast that most of what the accused murderer had confessed were blatant lies. "His toxicological report shows no signs that he had ingested any kind of drug," Guardia said, countering van der Sloot's perhaps strategic claim that he was high on marijuana when he killed Flores—in Peru, felony crimes committed under the influence of drugs can be treated with leniency in the courts.

But wasn't this the second medical test he underwent, when he was transferred from the police station to the prosecutors office?
Cocaine can stay in your system for about 2-3 days and marihuana can only be traced if you're a regular user.

[nonesuche]

Well, maybe that toxicology report just got lost if it would give any mitigating circumstances. 



Now wouldn't that be a shame if somebody "Paulus-ed" it?

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LOL Anna

Back to perspiring in the yard for me but after two years of effort in my brand new yard I have lots of flowers to tend to

[nonesuche]

I have never seen any proof of a toxicology report or related drug test out of Chile.
I do not think they did one, they just held onto Joran and dropped his happy ass off at the border.

Neither can I recall any toxicology report.  I DO recall, though, reports that VDS claimed to have been under the influence at the time of the homicide.  Such a claim might well be false.  Under many legal systems, intoxication is considered a mitigating circumstance, lessening a perpetrator's culpability -- and corresponding punishment -- for the commission of an illegal act.  Making such a false claim during the course of his confession would be thoroughly in keeping with VDS' manipulative nature. 

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439

Misgivings posted this article a few pages back, it's written by Barbie Nadeau who was featured in the Dateline show last night. It seems she's been writing about Joran for several years......

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/joran-van-der-sloots-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=hp:mainpromo2

Anyway, this article states that Joran did not test positive for drugs but I'm no expert in how long marijuana or cocaine stay in your system but I would assume she's done her homework on that?

After van der Sloot was loaded back into the van to be transported to Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, Police General Cesar Guardia told The Daily Beast that most of what the accused murderer had confessed were blatant lies. "His toxicological report shows no signs that he had ingested any kind of drug," Guardia said, countering van der Sloot's perhaps strategic claim that he was high on marijuana when he killed Flores—in Peru, felony crimes committed under the influence of drugs can be treated with leniency in the courts.

But wasn't this the second medical test he underwent, when he was transferred from the police station to the prosecutors office?
Cocaine can stay in your system for about 2-3 days and marihuana can only be traced if you're a regular user.

Hi Jo-An-

Good question, the article wasn't entirely clear to me on that.

[wreck]

Twitty said he wouldn't be against van der Sloot being allowed to go to Aruba to lead investigators to Holloway's remains.


Jug... shhh
Joran is an idiot..Other people moved her long ago.
jmho

That is absolutely the LAST that needs to happen!!! They would never get him back to Peru -- Aruba would somehow claim he is THEIRS.

[carpe noctem]

Van der Sloot's cell is "very basic," Collyns added.  "He would probably have a bucket in the corner for his bathroom.
-radar


Anita - the bright side:

He won`t leave the lid up anymore angering all of the ladies in the house.

[Anna]

Twitty said he wouldn't be against van der Sloot being allowed to go to Aruba to lead investigators to Holloway's remains.


Jug... shhh
Joran is an idiot..Other people moved her long ago.
jmho

That is absolutely the LAST that needs to happen!!! They would never get him back to Peru -- Aruba would somehow claim he is THEIRS.

Right, they would NEVER return him, probably grant him diplomatic immunity of some kind and proclaim him a national hero, award him a pension and give him a medal!

Maybe after Joran serves his sentence in both Peru and the U.S. he could be allowed back on Aruban or Dutch soil but certainly not before and not now as that is what Joran is counting on.  If only he could get back to Aruba!

Remember Br'er Rabbit:  Please don't throw me in that briar patch!

No one would ever see him again.

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[Magnolia]

Will be interested to hear what Kermit has to say about this death.
Was he one of the four living @ the address where capslocks postings came from?

Can, No this is a younger one.  Was only about 25-26 when Natalee disappeared.  I believe he was attending school in Florida and may have been friends with that Gabe Leo who used to post on the FP a lot.

It's been so long I can't remember much about him but is not one of the heads of Capslockwizard.  But now that you mention it, may be where CLW got the idea to come and mess with people. 

In the beginning, Shango was like a game and some did enjoy decyphering his coded messages but he never really knew anything not public knowledge so eventually most lost interest.

There are threads here in the archives found on the Index pages for anyone interested.

.

Thanks Anna.  I was thinking of the caps posts to SM though.  I believe Kermit thinks there were four guys posting.  Young guys that were all living at the same address in Aruba. 

I recall reading some of the shango posts early on.  Never could make heads or tails from them, except they were laced with some stuff we already knew.

I think the Vrojlik name connects caps and shango.