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« Reply #1200 on: June 13, 2010, 08:49:37 PM »

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo



I'm not so sure...he could have been trying to "set up" for the hotel worker to see what the "bandits" did while he went to "get coffee"..

Joran is a pig....

that's also possible.

I believe this is what happened.  I think he was trying to say it was 'an attempted rape" while he was gone.  What a complete azzhole he is.
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« Reply #1201 on: June 13, 2010, 08:50:44 PM »

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio – Sunday, June 13th, 2010 – Special Guests: Clint Van Zandt, Diane Fanning, Jessica Taloney, Robin Sax & Blink from Blink on Crime

Tonight at 9 PM et




http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/13/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-%e2%80%93-sunday-june-13th-2010-%e2%80%93-special-guests-clint-van-zandt-diane-fanning-jessica-taloney-robin-sax/

Tonight Dana welcomes special guests:

1. Dr Clint Van Zandt,  Retired FBI  discussing the FBI and Joran Vandersloot Extortion Case
2. Author Diane Fanning discussing the Steve Nodine Case Murder and The Politician
3. WKRG TV Reporter Jessica Taloney on the Steve Nodine Case
4. Robin Sax on The Joran Vandersloot Confession
5. Blink from Blink on Crime will be discussing the the case of missing 7 year old Kyron Hormon in Oregon. Get the updates on this missing persons case and some bizarre circumstances in this case.
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« Reply #1202 on: June 13, 2010, 08:50:58 PM »

Kermit -

Thanks for the explanation as to who Jan Brennan is and the aliases of some of the players and their RU ID's. 
I have a handle for which ones are the Holloway Haters, but I didn't know their true identities  Wink


You are most welcome.

Interesting that John Q. Kelly was in Aruba on Easter meeting with Joran at the Marriott Hotel and Jan Brennan was in Aruba too with Joran and van der Sloots. Jan Brennan said they are "the salt of the earth".
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« Reply #1203 on: June 13, 2010, 08:52:08 PM »

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo


meant to add...after removing her jeans he may have changed his mind,
and not carried out his intention. 

I agree.  Stephany was having her period.

Janet
and/or maybe he was coming down from his rage and realized he had to plan his next action.  He couldn't have known if other hotel guests or employees might have heard a commotion, or if an employee might come knocking on his door any minute.


I agree.

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« Reply #1204 on: June 13, 2010, 08:52:16 PM »

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo



I'm not so sure...he could have been trying to "set up" for the hotel worker to see what the "bandits" did while he went to "get coffee"..

Joran is a pig....

that's also possible.

I believe this is what happened.  I think he was trying to say it was 'an attempted rape" while he was gone.  What a complete azzhole he is.

I agree.

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« Reply #1205 on: June 13, 2010, 08:54:05 PM »

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo


meant to add...after removing her jeans he may have changed his mind,
and not carried out his intention. 

only because he prob didnt have a condom,he was worried about DNA,but duh,
 he still left evidence all over this murder, because it was an uncontrolled murder
ive always believed that Natalee murder, was planned, and prob not his first, but
Stefany will be the last
is there a world wide database for DNA of unsolved crimes
like run Js through it and see if his DNA is someplace else, and connected to a crime
I think Natalee's case was probably similar to Stefanys.  Once she was severely injured he made sure she would never be able to report him.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were many raped/drugged girls before Natalee.
Not sure about world database - but Joran's DNA is certainly availble now.
When it was taken in Natalee's case, I believe it was thrown out on some legal technicality Aruba style.
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« Reply #1206 on: June 13, 2010, 08:54:35 PM »

Kermit -

Thanks for the explanation as to who Jan Brennan is and the aliases of some of the players and their RU ID's. 
I have a handle for which ones are the Holloway Haters, but I didn't know their true identities  Wink


You are most welcome.

Interesting that John Q. Kelly was in Aruba on Easter meeting with Joran at the Marriott Hotel and Jan Brennan was in Aruba too with Joran and van der Sloots. Jan Brennan said they are "the salt of the earth".




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« Reply #1207 on: June 13, 2010, 08:54:49 PM »

June 13, 2010 | 7:56 PM ET
pics from interview with Stephany's family





June 13, 2010 | 8:10 PM ET
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http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/

let's hope she can't look into the eyes of that family and still defend Joran, I pray not.

I was just thinking that I don't know how she has the gonads to do that interview after standing with the monster
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« Reply #1208 on: June 13, 2010, 08:54:50 PM »

According to Steph Watts radio show:

Dave has just arrived in Aruba.

Beth is on her way to Peru.

and the Kalpoop can't move off the rock because there passports have been revoked.

Steph.. I have seen him be wrong before.. So... what ever.


Why?

Do Aruban/Dutch authorities fear that coming to the States to be deposed in the Phil McGraw defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes will reveal ALL they have knowledge of in regards to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Do Aruban/Dtuch authorities fear that coming to the States to be deposed in the Phil McGraw defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes will reveal ALL they have knowledge of in regards to those who participated in the cover up ... the cover up that has denied Natalee justice for five long years?

Do Aruban/Dutch authorities fear that while in the States ... the Kalpoes may seek asylum?

Somehow I believe that when all is said and done ... Joran, Deepak and Satish will be sacrificed and ... the Aruban house of cards will not collapse ... it will remain standing.

Janet

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ART WOOD:

The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/



I agree Janet, Joran and K2 cast their own fate, the liars did it all.
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« Reply #1209 on: June 13, 2010, 08:59:47 PM »

Question?

If Joran did tell the truth from start to finish about exactly what happened and each individuals actions taken in the cover-up,whom would they be accountable too? Just curious..

Well..first he would have to tell the truth..not happening at this point..maybe a few months from now..but not now..nor ever before.  But push comes to shove..is that why Anita has waited all this time to come, he will be happy to see her..yet unhappy that Aruba's filmfest was more important then he..yes he knew what was happening on Aruba.  Good luck Anita..he wants you to help..if you can't he'll tell you he has no use for his mother anylonger.

However..when he does tell the truth..if people on Aruba are involved, as we all believe..they fall under the law of the Netherlands..not their own silly rules they still can't get together.  They finally know now this is an international situation..and with a country that is beholding to no one. 

I strongly feel the truth will prevail..and that Joran knowing his end is near will pull down everyone that participated in the coverup with him. 
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« Reply #1210 on: June 13, 2010, 09:02:26 PM »

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio – Sunday, June 13th, 2010 – Special Guests: Clint Van Zandt, Diane Fanning, Jessica Taloney, Robin Sax & Blink from Blink on Crime

Tonight at 9 PM et




http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/13/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-%e2%80%93-sunday-june-13th-2010-%e2%80%93-special-guests-clint-van-zandt-diane-fanning-jessica-taloney-robin-sax/

Tonight Dana welcomes special guests:

1. Dr Clint Van Zandt,  Retired FBI  discussing the FBI and Joran Vandersloot Extortion Case
2. Author Diane Fanning discussing the Steve Nodine Case Murder and The Politician
3. WKRG TV Reporter Jessica Taloney on the Steve Nodine Case
4. Robin Sax on The Joran Vandersloot Confession
5. Blink from Blink on Crime will be discussing the the case of missing 7 year old Kyron Hormon in Oregon. Get the updates on this missing persons case and some bizarre circumstances in this case.

CLINT VAN ZANDT ON DISCUSSING THE EXTORTION CASE AGAINST JVDS ... FBI PERSPECTIVE.
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« Reply #1211 on: June 13, 2010, 09:05:48 PM »

Thank you for this Dana and Clint!

It's so nice to have a good solid source we can believe to explain this stuff to us!

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« Reply #1212 on: June 13, 2010, 09:09:43 PM »

FLASHBACK -

Deepak:  They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.

(actually, 15 was a low estimate)

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Satish:  In the end we will see, who gets out and who stays.  You tell the truth, we shall see.

Joran:  I know that I'm getting out.

Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


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« Reply #1213 on: June 13, 2010, 09:12:49 PM »

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo



I completely agree.  And she had her period, and it has been stated early on that a kotex was found in the waste basket of the room.  So this SOB is besides serial killer, sick pervert too.  I think he did things to her before he killed her..torture and rape with a condom..which he flushed down the toilet.   Just my opinion..why give someone a date rape drug if not to rape and then steal from her belongings?
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« Reply #1214 on: June 13, 2010, 09:25:22 PM »

Dana's show is good! 

Red: Tell Dana that Steve Nodine's last name is pronounced with a long "i" -not with a short "i" [ he's saying Nodeen ] ... Nodine is local  [ Mobile, Alabama ]
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« Reply #1215 on: June 13, 2010, 09:27:36 PM »

Nodine is addicted to Lortab also ... 
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« Reply #1216 on: June 13, 2010, 09:30:27 PM »

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo



I completely agree.  And she had her period, and it has been stated early on that a kotex was found in the waste basket of the room.  So this SOB is besides serial killer, sick pervert too.  I think he did things to her before he killed her..torture and rape with a condom..which he flushed down the toilet.   Just my opinion..why give someone a date rape drug if not to rape and then steal from her belongings?

Yes and we can be pretty sure he didn't take her there to play footsie.
He wanted money and he wanted sex.
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« Reply #1217 on: June 13, 2010, 09:31:11 PM »

Yes! Moral turpitude!   He is very charming & very likeable.  Everyone here is very sick about this.
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« Reply #1218 on: June 13, 2010, 09:31:49 PM »

Hope this hasn't been posted. I looked but did not see it.


Report: Dutchman Offers Holloway Details for Move
Updated: 4 hours Michelle Ruiz
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(June 13) -- Charged with murder and fearing for his life in an overcrowded Peruvian prison, Joran van der Sloot reportedly wants to make a deal: He says he'll lead Aruban officials to Natalee Holloway's remains if he gets a transfer to a prison in the Caribbean island.

According to Radio Netherlands Worldwide, 22-year-old van der Sloot is claiming he will discuss the location of Holloway's body with Aruban officials only if he is sent back to Aruba, where he was twice arrested but never charged in the 2005 disappearance of the Alabama teen.
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Police in Peru say Joran van der Sloot confessed to the May 30 killing of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room. Van der Sloot has long been a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in 2005. Here, Chilean police escort him out of a police station to be flown back to Peru on June 4.
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Police in Peru say Joran van der Sloot confessed to the May 30 killing of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room. Van der Sloot has long been a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in 2005. Here, Chilean police escort him out of a police station to be flown back to Peru on June 4.
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According to Peru's El Comercio newspaper, van der Sloot, who authorities say confessed to the murder of Peruvian business student Stephany Flores, 21, is scared he won't survive in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison.

"I don't want to be imprisoned in Peru," he told police. "I am afraid I will be killed."

Though isolated from an estimated 2,300 fellow prisoners, van der Sloot's fears have reportedly prompted him to offer to come clean about the Holloway case.

"He let slip that he knew the place where this person was buried," Peru's chief of criminal police, Gen. Cesar Guardia, told The Associated Press.

But officials are unsure if van der Sloot is telling the truth based on dubious claims he has made in the past. He has made previous attempts to sell information about Holloway's disappearance and was recently nabbed in an FBI sting allegedly trying to extort money from the Holloway family.

In the FBI sting, van der Sloot was secretly videotaped at an Aruba hotel talking to a lawyer for Holloway's mother, saying the girl died after he pushed her and she fell backward, hitting her head on a rock, according to an FBI affidavit excerpted by the AP. He said his late father, who was a judge in Aruba, helped him bury Holloway's body in the foundation of a house, but no body was found there. Later, van der Sloot admitted in an email that his account was a lie.

The FBI has come under fire for baiting van der Sloot with $25,000 that may have funded his trip to South America.

Van der Sloot's attorneys now say the Dutchman's confession in Flores' murder was coerced. According to a police report obtained by the AP, police who arrested him in Chile and quickly extradited him to Peru after Flores' death on May 30 said van der Sloot claimed an unidentified robber beat Flores to death in his hotel room.

"A man came out of the bathroom blocking the access door with a knife in his hand. On the bed was another man with a gun," the report quotes him as saying. "The man with the knife said to be quiet, but Stephany began talking in a loud voice and he hit her in the face, making her nose bleed."

In his previous confession, Peruvian authorities said van der Sloot admitted to beating Flores and breaking her neck after finding her searching his laptop about his past ties to the Holloway case. Van der Sloot said he met Flores while playing poker at a casino.

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/joran-van-der-sloot-offers-natalee-holloways-location-for-aruba-prison/19514386?ncid=webmail
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« Reply #1219 on: June 13, 2010, 09:32:00 PM »

Yes! Moral turpitude!   He is very charming & very likeable.  Everyone here is very sick about this.

RE:  Nodine-sorry.
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