Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Ono]

Love you Dana!

[cw618]

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo

I completely agree.  And she had her period, and it has been stated early on that a kotex was found in the waste basket of the room.  So this SOB is besides serial killer, sick pervert too.  I think he did things to her before he killed her..torture and rape with a condom..which he flushed down the toilet.   Just my opinion..why give someone a date rape drug if not to rape and then steal from her belongings?

flush the condom, could be, but why put her undies back on.
i thought i read she still had the undies on

[jjayinthemorning]

Have the 2 girls missing from the Columbia casino been found yet?

[Tylergal]

In a casino, you can still play poker or blackjack, etc. while a poker tournament is going on elsewhere on the floor - I'm pretty sure.

That's what I was thinking also, Ono, that the main attraction is the game by invitation only but that attracts many, many wanna-be's whose lumpsum losings will compensate for any losses on the house to the high rollers.

[jjayinthemorning]

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo

I completely agree.  And she had her period, and it has been stated early on that a kotex was found in the waste basket of the room.  So this SOB is besides serial killer, sick pervert too.  I think he did things to her before he killed her..torture and rape with a condom..which he flushed down the toilet.   Just my opinion..why give someone a date rape drug if not to rape and then steal from her belongings?

flush the condom, could be, but why put her undies back on.
i thought i read she still had the undies on

He already admitted that he masturbated. So I don't believe sex was involved with the murder. The motive wasn't rape.

[Tylergal]

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/490245/2010/06/13/Stephany-mogelijk-gemarteld-om-pincodes.dhtml


Stephany possibly tortured for PINs " (meaning ATM pin codes)

UPDATE LIMA - Peruvian investigators take a serious note that Joran van der Sloot Stephany Flores has tortured the PINs of her credit cards to find out.

This is reported by various Peruvian news.

Greta Van Susteren, star reporter for U.S. broadcaster Fox announced on Wednesday that her Twitter Account Anita van der Sloot, Joran's mother, comes to Lima. Van Susteren suggests that "Dutch TV" travel pay.

Meanwhile, Joran a bad night in the infamous Castro Castro prison in Lima spent, report sources close to the previous gevangenis.Van are confident attitude would now little left. Joran would feel insecure and depressed behavior.

He just wanted to eat what the guards as a meal. So he was served chicken and rice, which he ate at the half.

Against the policemen told him: "I do not imprisoned in Peru. I'm afraid I killed, "says Peru's El Commercio website.

In his cell there was a mattress, but Joran chose the floor for the night to spend.

Van der Sloot is in a cell near the office of the Director. In that part of the prison he is in the company of a Colombian hit man and a mayor who has laundered money. (EBO)

06/13/1910 8:09 p.m.

Suppose Greta's aim is to interview Anita there as well ?   

Okay..now I get the statement from Anita that she is arriving with her own PR person.  It is not her own PR person it is Dutch TV..and they are picking up her tab and going over to Peru.   I suppose they are picking up her tab to get exclusive's from her.  Hope she doesn't mind when they diss her son.

Oh, they will not diss her or her son in her presence.  She is above the fray and will only coerce a media person who believes that she sits above the Lord of the Hague.  She does have connections but she has used them to a great degree recently, and I wonder (even if she was my daughter) if that would not wear thin very quickly.  I think Joran was grating on Grandpa's nerves when he was living with him and the old lady in the NL.

[Tylergal]

I am not a big gambler.. I loose 100.00 I am pissed for the rest of the day.. lol

If I loose $20.00 I'm pissed for a week lol

I am p----- if I loose at a game a Scrabble.

Janet

Ditto.

[nonesuche]

Tyler I wondered about Anita wearing out her welcome too, now that he's confessed to murder one would think that both sides of the family would distance themselves?
Perhaps they all have brains of the ditch too.....

[Ono]

Have the 2 girls missing from the Columbia casino been found yet?

That seems to have faded away for now.

[TURBOTHINK]

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

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[Tylergal]

I'll be surprised if Anita shows up in Peru at all, regardless of the articles stating that she is going.  We've seen lots of incorrect reporting in the last two weeks. 

I just don't see what point there would be in her going.  She isn't going to visit Joran in jail, not if that requires a strip search/cavity search.  She isn't going to meet with the Flores family to express her condolences and apologize for her monster.  She isn't granting interviews.  I can't imagine she has any desire to by lynched by an angry crowd.  So...why go?  I just don't see it happening.

Her intention is to do an expose of the ruthless treatment her monster is receiving in his new abode.  She wants the Hague to jump up, screaming and shouting like Joran, when he was deprived of gambling money by her and Paulus.  She wants the Hague to summon Stephany's father to the UN to answer questions as to how he could let this happen to her privileged delicious sporter.  After all, how could he be anything else?  He was spawned from two privileged people and she gives the command as it is she who is to be obeyed.

[Gypsy DD]

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo

I completely agree.  And she had her period, and it has been stated early on that a kotex was found in the waste basket of the room.  So this SOB is besides serial killer, sick pervert too.  I think he did things to her before he killed her..torture and rape with a condom..which he flushed down the toilet.   Just my opinion..why give someone a date rape drug if not to rape and then steal from her belongings?

flush the condom, could be, but why put her undies back on.
i thought i read she still had the undies on

You are right..so much for that theory.

[Gypsy DD]

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo

I completely agree.  And she had her period, and it has been stated early on that a kotex was found in the waste basket of the room.  So this SOB is besides serial killer, sick pervert too.  I think he did things to her before he killed her..torture and rape with a condom..which he flushed down the toilet.   Just my opinion..why give someone a date rape drug if not to rape and then steal from her belongings?

flush the condom, could be, but why put her undies back on.
i thought i read she still had the undies on

He already admitted that he masturbated. So I don't believe sex was involved with the murder. The motive wasn't rape.

Wait..I think that several pages..even sections back, that it was stated that whole thing about that was created as a joke ..someone put out on the web? 

[Ono]

It's excellent there's no extradition treaty between Peru & Holland;  I'm thinking Anita is going to find that she doesn't have as much 'pull' as she imagines, but she will do a real heavy-duty martyr act, I feel sure.  She may enjoy some political clout of sorts, but in the bigger picture in Life, she has zero class.  She isn't high-bred, IMO.

[seemeatthebeach]

Kermit -

Thanks for the explanation as to who Jan Brennan is and the aliases of some of the players and their RU ID's. 
I have a handle for which ones are the Holloway Haters, but I didn't know their true identities 

You are most welcome.

Interesting that John Q. Kelly was in Aruba on Easter meeting with Joran at the Marriott Hotel and Jan Brennan was in Aruba too with Joran and van der Sloots. Jan Brennan said they are "the salt of the earth".

I almost vomited when I heard her say that. GMAFB!

[carpe noctem]

It's excellent there's no extradition treaty between Peru & Holland;  I'm thinking Anita is going to find that she doesn't have as much 'pull' as she imagines, but she will do a real heavy-duty martyr act, I feel sure.  She may enjoy some political clout of sorts, but in the bigger picture in Life, she has zero class.  She isn't high-bred, IMO.

I`d be surprised Anita isn`t sniped. The last time I have seen people this upset...

...was well, back when he killed Natalee.

They need to send Anita in ... in a riot guard`s uniform.

The shield;the works.

[Gypsy DD]

I'll be surprised if Anita shows up in Peru at all, regardless of the articles stating that she is going.  We've seen lots of incorrect reporting in the last two weeks. 

I just don't see what point there would be in her going.  She isn't going to visit Joran in jail, not if that requires a strip search/cavity search.  She isn't going to meet with the Flores family to express her condolences and apologize for her monster.  She isn't granting interviews.  I can't imagine she has any desire to by lynched by an angry crowd.  So...why go?  I just don't see it happening.

Her intention is to do an expose of the ruthless treatment her monster is receiving in his new abode.  She wants the Hague to jump up, screaming and shouting like Joran, when he was deprived of gambling money by her and Paulus.  She wants the Hague to summon Stephany's father to the UN to answer questions as to how he could let this happen to her privileged delicious sporter.  After all, how could he be anything else?  He was spawned from two privileged people and she gives the command as it is she who is to be obeyed.

Personally..I believe that Anita is a much more cold hearted mother..not caring the least for Joran anylonger, and maybe since he was born.  She has money..she could have traveled to Peru from the first that he was transferred there from Chili.  She choose not to..rather party in Aruba and let the TV stations pay for her trip.

I think she is there for the show.  I also think she is quite happy to be rid of him.  I think that giving him the grannys house was to keep him out of the family's normal day to day routine... they had enough, the younger boys had to be considered..let him live apart from us.

She will try to sprew her motherliness..that is because I think she feels nothing but hate and imposition from Joran.  She does not want to look like, nor accept being, anyway remotely the cause of this.  Therefore she has to approach this as a mother concerned.  She is only concerned for herself and how she looks.  Had she been really concerned about Joran..she would have gotten him the help he surely needed..and known to keep him close..that he was a danger to others.

[Sleuth]

I'll be surprised if Anita shows up in Peru at all, regardless of the articles stating that she is going.  We've seen lots of incorrect reporting in the last two weeks. 

I just don't see what point there would be in her going.  She isn't going to visit Joran in jail, not if that requires a strip search/cavity search.  She isn't going to meet with the Flores family to express her condolences and apologize for her monster.  She isn't granting interviews.  I can't imagine she has any desire to by lynched by an angry crowd.  So...why go?  I just don't see it happening.

Her intention is to do an expose of the ruthless treatment her monster is receiving in his new abode.  She wants the Hague to jump up, screaming and shouting like Joran, when he was deprived of gambling money by her and Paulus.  She wants the Hague to summon Stephany's father to the UN to answer questions as to how he could let this happen to her privileged delicious sporter.  After all, how could he be anything else?  He was spawned from two privileged people and she gives the command as it is she who is to be obeyed.

Personally..I believe that Anita is a much more cold hearted mother..not caring the least for Joran anylonger, and maybe since he was born.  She has money..she could have traveled to Peru from the first that he was transferred there from Chili.  She choose not to..rather party in Aruba and let the TV stations pay for her trip.

I think she is there for the show.  I also think she is quite happy to be rid of him.  I think that giving him the grannys house was to keep him out of the family's normal day to day routine... they had enough, the younger boys had to be considered..let him live apart from us.

She will try to sprew her motherliness..that is because I think she feels nothing but hate and imposition from Joran.  She does not want to look like, nor accept being, anyway remotely the cause of this.  Therefore she has to approach this as a mother concerned.  She is only concerned for herself and how she looks.  Had she been really concerned about Joran..she would have gotten him the help he surely needed..and known to keep him close..that he was a danger to others.

I respectfully disagree...Klaas has many, many photos that prove differently

[Sleuth]

Great program, Dana!

[carpe noctem]

Any day is a good day to be soaking your tootsies!