Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[MisGivings]

I think Joran possibly took off Stefany's jeans in order to perform another indignity to this poor girl.  In order to do this, he had to remove her shoes first.  jmo

Then when he saw she was on her period, he decided he wasn't that horny?

[Tylergal]

Question?

If Joran did tell the truth from start to finish about exactly what happened and each individuals actions taken in the cover-up,whom would they be accountable too? Just curious..

Well..first he would have to tell the truth..not happening at this point..maybe a few months from now..but not now..nor ever before.  But push comes to shove..is that why Anita has waited all this time to come, he will be happy to see her..yet unhappy that Aruba's filmfest was more important then he..yes he knew what was happening on Aruba.  Good luck Anita..he wants you to help..if you can't he'll tell you he has no use for his mother anylonger.

However..when he does tell the truth..if people on Aruba are involved, as we all believe..they fall under the law of the Netherlands..not their own silly rules they still can't get together.  They finally know now this is an international situation..and with a country that is beholding to no one. 

I strongly feel the truth will prevail..and that Joran knowing his end is near will pull down everyone that participated in the coverup with him. 

If Joran were to tell the truth it would mean he was on his way to the gallows.  He is not going to do it without a real threat of death and the electrocution, hanging or whatever, is going to be the only incentive for him to come clean and perhaps not even then.  He is demonic.  He needs to be purged of his demons. 

[akmom]

You mean this one?

Do you know when that was from???  I remember when Greta went to Aruba, she did a whole segment where she was down a house or two from the Kalpoe's and the neighbor had said they were cleaning the car, washing the inside even in the middle of the night.

This one is from the first week to two weeks of June 2005.

Greta`s video of the Kalpoe Honda came later - way later.

Thanks Carpe

[Anna]

Anita is probably going to decry the conditions under which her Delicious Sporter is being kept.  Boo Hoo, his rights are being violated.

But keep in mind that it was her husband and his BFF Ben (Voc)King who so violated the human rights of Alex Matthews that Aruba had to build the new prison KIA and were ruled against in the World Court at the Hague.

Mind you, Matthews is no saint and I am not defending him but still, he was drugged and beaten and kept in conditions wuch is without a roof.

I do hope someone knows to ask Anita about that when she is crying about where Joran is.  Joran's father and his BFF did much worse than anything done to Joran so far.

[akmom]

Craig said Dave's in really bad shape-as bad as when he first found out about Natalee;Something is up, y'all...

Hang in there, Dave. There will be an end to all this madness.

What show is this on?  I would like to watch too.

It was Geraldo on Fox, they are done for now with the coverage, don't know if there will be more.  Jug told Craig he thought Nat might have been in their car the next day and he wishes that would have been checked.  I have never heard that before.  I thought they were seen washing the car out that night in the middle of the night, by neighbors???

Jug is referring to when they went to the VDS home with Beth, and thier friends once they found out who she left the HI with...He said it on an interview when Joran was first found, he thought she was in the truck of the car, but Paulus said they were at the Casino, Jug said they werent dressed like they were at any casino....I can't remember which site it's on.....sorry

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Exclusive-interview-Jug-Twitty/Vp7af3v-ykaT6VJjG9tGxQ.cspx

Found it

Thank you

[Tylergal]

Tyler I wondered about Anita wearing out her welcome too, now that he's confessed to murder one would think that both sides of the family would distance themselves?
Perhaps they all have brains of the ditch too.....

Don't you know, None.  Even if it was my own child who repeatedly came to me for favors, I would become testy and less likely to answer my phone when I saw that on the caller ID.

[akmom]

I think it was yesterday, maybe Bo Deitl or Geraldo, said that as long as Joran is alive he will probably not tell what he knows about Natalee and will use the info to torture Beth....I am so afraid that is what will happen.....if he lives, time will pass and he will periodically taunt with the promise to tell all he knows. 

[darla]

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

It has taken me 10 days to catch up with you guys, but finally made it. I don't like to post until i have read up. I think this is probably my first time posting in Natalee's thread, but have read here from the beginning 5 yrs ago.

I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair when the pic of Joran was posted nekkid. Anna posted way back in this thread that Joran might have been a male prostitute.......Well if I had paid for a male prostitute and got Joran I would want my money back.
When I saw the pic of his nude self, it brought back a memory of when I was a kid and my dad or grandpa one, made a comment about someone who was not blessed with much in that dept.....he said that the guy would have to run his finger up his butt and yell SNAKE to find his to pee.
My heart goes out to Stephany's family. I watched the videos of her dad's interviews and was really impressed  by his graciousness and the fact that he said he would not take the law into his own hands. He is a class act.
I am praying that Natalee can be found and brought home to her parents and family. It is time.

[Tylergal]

It's excellent there's no extradition treaty between Peru & Holland;  I'm thinking Anita is going to find that she doesn't have as much 'pull' as she imagines, but she will do a real heavy-duty martyr act, I feel sure.  She may enjoy some political clout of sorts, but in the bigger picture in Life, she has zero class.  She isn't high-bred, IMO.

I`d be surprised Anita isn`t sniped. The last time I have seen people this upset...

...was well, back when he killed Natalee.

They need to send Anita in ... in a riot guard`s uniform.

The shield;the works.

Oh, but I think she is anticipating with glee, the idea of a body cavity search.  She probably has not had one since she lived in Amsterdam.

[Anna]

Aruba declared it's autonomy when?  It was several years ago and the Dutch agreed to it so while the Dutch still provide judges and OM to Aruba, it is suppoed under the Aruban system, the one we are too stupid to ever understand.

Apparently, no one actually understand is and it seems to make up the laws as it goes along.  Then they all seem to have a major loophole that allows them to be applied in a totally arbitrary way.

We have been told one thing and yet seem reported in their own news sources the law being applied to a totally opposite end.  Examples are people lying and not being believed but being convicted anyway and the wildly varying length of sentences.

I am sure TxMom, our great Aruban news reporter, knows what I am talking about even though I am expressing it very poorly.

They will make up laws that don't exist or ignore ones that do in order to not prosecute any of their own.  It's like a cuntry run by a junior high school clique.

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[akmom]

It's excellent there's no extradition treaty between Peru & Holland;  I'm thinking Anita is going to find that she doesn't have as much 'pull' as she imagines, but she will do a real heavy-duty martyr act, I feel sure.  She may enjoy some political clout of sorts, but in the bigger picture in Life, she has zero class.  She isn't high-bred, IMO.

I`d be surprised Anita isn`t sniped. The last time I have seen people this upset...

...was well, back when he killed Natalee.

They need to send Anita in ... in a riot guard`s uniform.

The shield;the works.

Oh, but I think she is anticipating with glee, the idea of a body cavity search.  She probably has not had one since she lived in Amsterdam.

I pity anyone having to cavity search her, they might fall in and never find the way out

[carpe noctem]

ARUBAN ART CLASS FIELD TRIP - THE ROCKS VIDEO

[MisGivings]

I'll be surprised if Anita shows up in Peru at all, regardless of the articles stating that she is going.  We've seen lots of incorrect reporting in the last two weeks. 

I just don't see what point there would be in her going.  She isn't going to visit Joran in jail, not if that requires a strip search/cavity search.  She isn't going to meet with the Flores family to express her condolences and apologize for her monster.  She isn't granting interviews.  I can't imagine she has any desire to by lynched by an angry crowd.  So...why go?  I just don't see it happening.

Her intention is to do an expose of the ruthless treatment her monster is receiving in his new abode.  She wants the Hague to jump up, screaming and shouting like Joran, when he was deprived of gambling money by her and Paulus.  She wants the Hague to summon Stephany's father to the UN to answer questions as to how he could let this happen to her privileged delicious sporter.  After all, how could he be anything else?  He was spawned from two privileged people and she gives the command as it is she who is to be obeyed.

Personally..I believe that Anita is a much more cold hearted mother..not caring the least for Joran anylonger, and maybe since he was born.  She has money..she could have traveled to Peru from the first that he was transferred there from Chili.  She choose not to..rather party in Aruba and let the TV stations pay for her trip.

I think she is there for the show.  I also think she is quite happy to be rid of him.  I think that giving him the grannys house was to keep him out of the family's normal day to day routine... they had enough, the younger boys had to be considered..let him live apart from us.

She will try to sprew her motherliness..that is because I think she feels nothing but hate and imposition from Joran.  She does not want to look like, nor accept being, anyway remotely the cause of this.  Therefore she has to approach this as a mother concerned.  She is only concerned for herself and how she looks.  Had she been really concerned about Joran..she would have gotten him the help he surely needed..and known to keep him close..that he was a danger to others.

Maybe she wants to get there before Beth does?
Does anyone know why Beth is going to Peru?

[Anna]

I don't think Beth is going to Peru unless it would be to offer condolences in person to the Flores family.  Sometimes reporters hear Anita and think Beth and vice versa with the entire cast of characters.

The reporting on this tragedy by the media in this country has been dreadful so far.  No one in Peru seems to have a clue what's happening. 

I hate to give Geraldo credit for anything but his program tonight seemed more together than any I have seen lately.  Maybe because they don't need so many translators.

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[MisGivings]

Geraldo reporting Joran has fired his lawyer.

Joran performs more layoffs than General Motors! What is up with this dude?

Beats me, but I am sure the 'lawyer" is very relieved!   He probably told him to give up trying to get back to 'Ruba.

I believe Joran thought that since he had a lawyer, his living conditions would be very nice as he was awaiting trial. After all, he feels entitled to it.

[Tylergal]

I think it was yesterday, maybe Bo Deitl or Geraldo, said that as long as Joran is alive he will probably not tell what he knows about Natalee and will use the info to torture Beth....I am so afraid that is what will happen.....if he lives, time will pass and he will periodically taunt with the promise to tell all he knows. 

that is of course, correct.  That is his MO.  They should tell him that they are not going to strike a deal but they want to know where Natalee is and if he does not give correct information, waterboard his a** with hot coca-cola.  That soft boy will talk them.  The grand pooba of al Quaida gave up information when they treated him to a hot coke nasal wash.

[akmom]

I think it was yesterday, maybe Bo Deitl or Geraldo, said that as long as Joran is alive he will probably not tell what he knows about Natalee and will use the info to torture Beth....I am so afraid that is what will happen.....if he lives, time will pass and he will periodically taunt with the promise to tell all he knows. 

that is of course, correct.  That is his MO.  They should tell him that they are not going to strike a deal but they want to know where Natalee is and if he does not give correct information, waterboard his a** with hot coca-cola.  That soft boy will talk them.  The grand pooba of al Quaida gave up information when they treated him to a hot coke nasal wash.

That sounds perfect to me...I'd pay to see that it happens

[texasmom]

[Steph Watts]

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

<<snipped>>

NANCY GRACE
Peru Files Murder One Charges on Van Der Sloot
Aired June 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?


Hmm....I think something's up.

Thanks Lifesong!

I saw Geraldo and heard the description of Dave today.  I'd already been thinking hmmmm over Mike Eman cancelling that trip to Curacao too.   

Could be that something's up.

I'm praying...

[Anna]

I always thought the rock painting was to frame the security guards, creating a fake crime scene to frame them.  Then when that fell through, they went there and painted over what they had made for the set up.

One of the reasons I think this is that at the beginning of the vids, it said they were made so that no black people would ever be so framed again.

I think Aruba had big plans for those security guards but they should have made sure they didn't have such alibis beforehand.

Anyway, that's just my opinion and I do think they are some of the creepiest things ever.

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[2NJSons_Mom]

Davis Carrion ..President LAPT who put on the event with cooperation from others in Peru ..
HE Knew Joran Vandersloot was coming as all players are registered.. So were many other people considered celebrities coming to the event and I am sure Joran did not raise any eyebrows as many of the players may have questionable pasts.

Link?   I looked at some info about David Carrion earlier and I'd like to know where this came from...thanks.