Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[darleenofalabama]

Tamikosmom, I think Ono meant wouldn't it be great if Beth and Mr. Flores went together to confront that multiple murderer.

[TURBOTHINK]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body.  

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence.  

I'm thinking Thailand

I agree with Thailand. It is a jungle there. There are young women who just "disappear" off the streets daily and no one ever asks why. The police don't bother to investigate because they just dismiss them as street girls. Even the ones from good families never find out what happened to their daughters/sons/relatives. It is not just girls there either, there is a large industry of male prostitutes who use young boys off the streets. Porn is rampant and snuff porn is the rule rather than the exception and that is what I believe JVS father was into. Most likely him too because of the way he described the way he killed Stephany. The whole killing may be on his computer videoed by his web cam.

I have always suspected they killed Natalie and taped the whole thing which was sent out over the internet afterward. If you remember there were hours of uploads after the time most suspect they had NH.

[akmom]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body. 

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence. 

I'm thinking Thailand

I've said it several times.  The thought of the poor women in Thailand that could be missing because of Joran haunt me...I would not be surprised at any level of involvement.....snuff films, etc....I have a special interest and concern for poor women in Asian countries.....Lots and lots of missing women.....

[carpe noctem]

I wonder if Beth would be kind enough to bring Maton home to the USA???

FBI has been building a murder case.

Only if Mr. Flores agrees.

At least that way - he won`t be killed. He will absolutely die a horrible death in Castro Castro. I am surprised we are already up to Sunday and it hasn`t happened yet.

Aruba - is out of all realms of possibility. This will not and can not happen.

The reasons, painfully the bleedin` obvious.

Wouldn`t that be ironically rich?

The one person who could save Joran`s life - he murdered her daughter in cold blood.

[Tylergal]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body.  

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence.  

I'm thinking Thailand

I agree with Thailand. It is a jungle there. There are young women who just "disappear" off the streets daily and no one ever asks why. The police don't bother to investigate because they just dismiss them as street girls. Even the ones from good families never find out what happened to their daughters/sons/relatives. It is not just girls there either, there is a large industry of male prostitutes who use young boys off the streets. Porn is rampant and snuff porn is the rule rather than the exception and that is what I believe JVS father was into. Most likely him too because of the way he described the way he killed Stephany. The whole killing may be on his computer videoed by his web cam.

I have always suspected they killed Natalie and taped the whole thing which was sent out over the internet afterward. If you remember there were hours of uploads after the time most suspect they had NH.

Yes, I think there is a choir of us who believe that now.  I am not sure there were so many when I began to believe it, but I am going to be shocked if I am told there is no evidence to that affect from people whose opinions I trust.

[billb's daughter]

It certainly has my attention if Dave is in Aruba (broken up) with Tim Miller for supposedly searches of areas on a map urine gave Jaap, coupled with NG saying a skull was found.....
Bringing Natalee home would be a God sent dream come true for all after 5 long years...That is forefront on everyone's wish list. Having said that......
if it turns out that Natalee remains were repositioned for discovery by parties unknown......(say from a cage trap to a search site id'ed in jaap map or pond with the latest witness (Jay??) coming forward)...While I'll be extremely grateful for Natalee and her family having remains to take home and honor.....
I'll be even more determined to nail the ba$++++$ that initiated the coverup and kept it going all these years.....
To me ...1st step of Justice for Natalee is bringing Natalee home......they are still more steps to bring those involved to Justice......

[klaasend]

And so is that Richardson.

Hell in a handbasket?

[billb's daughter]

[Steph Watts]

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

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NANCY GRACE
Peru Files Murder One Charges on Van Der Sloot
Aired June 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?


Hmm....I think something's up.

Discovered??  Not likely.  The timing is so suspicious.  In my opinion ... Aruban authorities have known where Natalee Holloway's remains have been for the passed 2 1/2 years.  It was Aruban divers who on January 7, 2008 recovered unchallenged the contents of the trap discovered by the Persistence endeavor in Aruban waters.

Thank you Lifesong.  Great Catch!!

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Yep...Not discovered....Planted for recovery....

[texasmom]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body. 

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence. 

These two women did not die from a rape. They died from resisting him. He doesn't take frustration well. I would guess he has met frustration and opposition more than these two times. We have the "missing years" in Thailand. So there could be more, IMO.

I agree.

On Steph Watts show the retired FBI agent Don Clark thinks that eventually all of Joran's locations and activites will be looked into for possible other victims (missing women and/or unsolved murders).

[darleenofalabama]

No, Carpe, don't bring him here if the prison in Peru is as bad as it's being stated.  I mean, compared to what I'm reading about the Peru prison, Charles Manson's life is a cakewalk--much too good for that van der sloot.

[Dihannah1]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body. 

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence. 

These two women did not die from a rape. They died from resisting him. He doesn't take frustration well. I would guess he has met frustration and opposition more than these two times. We have the "missing years" in Thailand. So there could be more, IMO.

I have little doubt he hasn't struck before, wether rape or murder.   He didn't go 5 yrs as a psychopathic narcisitic @sshole overnight.  He's done it before, probably to girls who had nothing and nodoby with the means to look for them, like the Holloways and the Flores.  He was selling girls for sex to the Netherlands for God's sakes.   He's sick and it didn't stop when he killed Natalee.  He just got bolder through the years.   But I can't explain his stupidity in Peru.  Anger just got to him, wrong time, wrong place? Desparation for money?  Who knows,   I wish we could go back and do some research in other areas of the world to find out more.  Either way, he is paying now and pray he stays where us and never gets to go back to Aruba for justice.  It's like staying at the Holiday Inn for him.  He needs to pay and pay hard, like those two innocent girls.  I hope he gets put in general population, not to get killed, but to get done to him what he's done to other girls.   An eye for eye!

[Magnolia]

And so is that Richardson.

Hell in a handbasket?

Klaas,
Show all of these people who have been gone so long the picture of Eric Zadaam in his coffin.

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot gave a fourth version of the death of Natalee Holloway
The citizen Dutchman admitted that the American girl fell from a balcony and with a friend hid the body in a swamp

Natalee Holloway's disappearance was described as never before by the principal involved in this case, the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot during a television interview granted in December last year in Aruba. On that occasion, the 23 year old confessed that participated in the death of the U.S. occurred in May 2005.

According to his account, he was with Natalee in the casino and then play cards went towards the hotel with the girl, but in the way of the Netherlands he met a friend who invited them to his apartment. They were installed on the balcony, where they caught and drugged. "They stopped to dance, then I stopped to grab her and that she fell off the balcony." The three were on the second floor of a building.

The declaration of Van der Sloot was made months after they voluntarily submit to a lie detector (March 2009) and prove that their version of the disappearance of Natalee was false. But in August 2009, a popular presenter on RTL television station, in Aruba visited him and persuaded him to grant an interview. That was the first time the Dutchman admitted his involvement in the crime.

ADMIT TO CRY
"It's very serious what has happened and I am very sorry that all this time not counted, but I've always been afraid of the consequences," said Van der Sloot before cameras before breaking into tears.

"I really did not want all this happen (...) was not intentional. I only went because she was dancing and wanted to help, but I feel it's my fault because she fell I caught her at the time, "he added.

The images transmitted by the TV program "Punto Final" (Frecuencia Latina) with Spanish translation, is a fourth version of what really happened on May 30, 2005.

Previously you said you left the girl on the beach and saw no more, on another occasion said that led to her hotel and then admitted to a hidden camera that he killed Natalee and her body sank into the sea.

Natalee Holloway died instantly as a result of the fall and he and his friend took the body to a swamp. "We crossed the dam, cross the cattails and one of the deepest points we left," said the young man who not only lied previously about the case, but also categorically denied having murdered the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, then confess brutal crime.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494604/joran-van-der-sloot-dio-cuarta-version-sobre-muerte-natalee-holloway

[darleenofalabama]

Yes, Klaasand, Richardson, too, hell in a handbasket.

[SteveDinMD]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body. 

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence. 

These two women did not die from a rape. They died from resisting him. He doesn't take frustration well. I would guess he has met frustration and opposition more than these two times. We have the "missing years" in Thailand. So there could be more, IMO.

Stephany likely died in her struggle to resist rape.  Natalee might have, too, or she might have died of a combination of alcohol and Rohypnol intoxication.  It's impossible to tell at this point.  In either case, though, Joran would be guilty of felony murder in most U.S. jurisdictions. 

[Dihannah1]

Well, I've got to hit the bunky, as 6am comes soon.  I could keep going but, better stop now, or will be up all night.  Thanks and Good job Monkeys!

God Bless and sweet dreams.  Keep praying for justice to be served as it should not what Joran wants, as he should be afraid, just like he put others through!

God works in mysterious ways, trust in him.

[Tylergal]

I wonder what he has on the Kalpoes, or if it something right under our noses that we are missing.  I just wonder if somehow they were involved in the sex trade, given that Deepak had that mysterious phone number in his pocket at the time of his arrest. 

I understand there were girls out of Venezuela that were sold into the sex trade in Aruba.  After all, there are enough ads in Julia Renfro's paper for "massages" that you know these women had to come from somewhere.  I think they call them cholas but they are probably just poor, defenseless South American women who know no other lifestyle and are taken by these thugs in Aruba to add to their revenue and pleasures.

[texasmom]

And so is that Richardson.

Hell in a handbasket?

Klaas,
Show all of these people who have been gone so long the picture of Eric Zadaam in his coffin.

Funny you mention that, I was just thinking yesterday of going back and seeing when he died and comparing the timeline of the extortion/wire fraud activities.  Got busy doing other things and forgot about it until you mentioned him again.  

May not coincide at all, but I'm just curious.  

[Ono]

Wouldn't it be something if Beth & Mr. Flores went together?!

No!

My prayer is that a time will come that Jug and Beth will get back together.  That time could come when there is a measure of closure that both will be afforded when Natalee comes home to rest on American soil.

Janet

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Comments:

168 .  JUG TWITTY on January 8th, 2007 9:27 am
 
I HAVE READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT.REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE MAY THINK I STILL LOVE BETH,MATT,AND NATALEE.I WILL ALWAYS BE THERE FOR THEM.I PRAY FOR CLOSURE EVERYNIGHT SO BETH CAN REST.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/05/sad-news-from-mountain-brook-al-jug-and-beth-twitty-divorcing/

I'm sorry-I must have failed to make myself clear in my response to Carpe's remark---I meant wouldn't it be something if Mr. Flores & Beth went to the prison together to face Joran?;  I too, hope Beth & Jug get back together romantically as a couple.

[klaasend]

And so is that Richardson.

Hell in a handbasket?

Klaas,
Show all of these people who have been gone so long the picture of Eric Zadaam in his coffin.

Gosh I'm not sure I saved it.  Let me see if I can find it.