Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Edward]

He will need radar in the middle of the night to find his bucket.
lol

[texasmom]

Will be interested to hear what Kermit has to say about this death.
Was he one of the four living @ the address where capslocks postings came from?

Can, No this is a younger one.  Was only about 25-26 when Natalee disappeared.  I believe he was attending school in Florida and may have been friends with that Gabe Leo who used to post on the FP a lot.

It's been so long I can't remember much about him but is not one of the heads of Capslockwizard.  But now that you mention it, may be where CLW got the idea to come and mess with people. 

In the beginning, Shango was like a game and some did enjoy decyphering his coded messages but he never really knew anything not public knowledge so eventually most lost interest.

There are threads here in the archives found on the Index pages for anyone interested.

I remember Rob talking about Armin Solognier.  He's in a band with Jairo Boekhoudt, Acoustic Soul I think is the name of it.  But I don't recall if he thought he was connected to the Shango crap or not.

[carpe noctem]

I don`t think Paulus would have allowed Joran to know where she was eventually put.

Paul knew Joran was an idiot too. It is Joran`s final BLUFF.

[Anna]

Magnolia, I think you are right.  And that never dawned on me before just now.

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[can]

Twitty said he wouldn't be against van der Sloot being allowed to go to Aruba to lead investigators to Holloway's remains.


Jug... shhh
Joran is an idiot..Other people moved her long ago.
jmho

That is absolutely the LAST that needs to happen!!! They would never get him back to Peru -- Aruba would somehow claim he is THEIRS.

ITA.  I have no fear of that happening. 

Maybe he will be willing in time...to barter on lesser stakes.  A clean blankie, maybe.  Seriously though, who the hell does Joran think he is.
I'm sure he's fast realizing he has no power...none, zip,  he used it all up and to lovely young girls are gone.

[Jerseygirl345]

Twitty said he wouldn't be against van der Sloot being allowed to go to Aruba to lead investigators to Holloway's remains.


Jug... shhh
Joran is an idiot..Other people moved her long ago.
jmho

I know the Holloways need closure for their Natalee but there needs to be justice for this
monster in Peru and he rots in Peru.. As I see it he does not need to go to Aruba or have 1 second of freedom as another precious beautiful daughter Stephany was gruesomely murdered.. Joran has blood stains on his hand and let him rot in Peru..

[cecilita]

Mr. Flores  said in an interview " I will do everything possible to bring jutice to my Daughter" If it's possible I will follow him around the world."

Minute 4:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYSSADUqXxw&feature=related

[SteveDinMD]

I have never seen any proof of a toxicology report or related drug test out of Chile.
I do not think they did one, they just held onto Joran and dropped his happy ass off at the border.

Neither can I recall any toxicology report.  I DO recall, though, reports that VDS claimed to have been under the influence at the time of the homicide.  Such a claim might well be false.  Under many legal systems, intoxication is considered a mitigating circumstance, lessening a perpetrator's culpability -- and corresponding punishment -- for the commission of an illegal act.  Making such a false claim during the course of his confession would be thoroughly in keeping with VDS' manipulative nature. 

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439

     That's interesting.  There was a report out today that toxicology concludes that VDS was NOT under the influence of illegal drugs at the time of the murder.  Whom do we believe? 

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joren-van-der-sloot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791

[sylvia]

If Joran dies in prison it seems like it would solve a lot of problems for Aruba.  K2 have proven they can keep their mouths shut, Joran can't.

He wont die..Unless from accident or suicide of disease.
He is to publicized.. I do not think anyone will kill him unless a bounty is put on him for unlimited candy at the commissary. Then maybe.

Anyway..The Kalpoe are cowpoop in court because of this new murder in my opinion.

[Ono]

Transcript of last nights DATELINE:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/

Thanks-It's so clear that once again, for whatever reason, false or true:  Aruba dropped the ball.
I mean, it can't get any plainer.

[Magnolia]

Will be interested to hear what Kermit has to say about this death.
Was he one of the four living @ the address where capslocks postings came from?

Can, No this is a younger one.  Was only about 25-26 when Natalee disappeared.  I believe he was attending school in Florida and may have been friends with that Gabe Leo who used to post on the FP a lot.

It's been so long I can't remember much about him but is not one of the heads of Capslockwizard.  But now that you mention it, may be where CLW got the idea to come and mess with people. 

In the beginning, Shango was like a game and some did enjoy decyphering his coded messages but he never really knew anything not public knowledge so eventually most lost interest.

There are threads here in the archives found on the Index pages for anyone interested.

I remember Rob talking about Armin Solognier.  He's in a band with Jairo Boekhoudt, Acoustic Soul I think is the name of it.  But I don't recall if he thought he was connected to the Shango crap or not.

You are right TM.  Rob said that he talked to Armin and he admitted that he was part of Simian.
Armin is Arubagirl's cousin, I think.

[Tamikosmom]

Did we ever find out who CAPSLOCKWIZARD was?

CAPSLOCKWIZARD REVEALED

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 -
« Reply #736 on: May 17, 2010, 04:14:27 PM »

From: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
To: daveholloway@xxxxxx
Subject: RE: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:18:15 -0500

Hi Dave,

<snipped>

About Me:
Name: Rudolf H. Vrolijk
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Email: ((edit - personal email addy))
Email: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
Phone:  297-746-7000

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7363.720

[can]

Will be interested to hear what Kermit has to say about this death.
Was he one of the four living @ the address where capslocks postings came from?

Can, No this is a younger one.  Was only about 25-26 when Natalee disappeared.  I believe he was attending school in Florida and may have been friends with that Gabe Leo who used to post on the FP a lot.

It's been so long I can't remember much about him but is not one of the heads of Capslockwizard.  But now that you mention it, may be where CLW got the idea to come and mess with people. 

In the beginning, Shango was like a game and some did enjoy decyphering his coded messages but he never really knew anything not public knowledge so eventually most lost interest.

There are threads here in the archives found on the Index pages for anyone interested.

.

Thanks Anna.  I was thinking of the caps posts to SM though.  I believe Kermit thinks there were four guys posting.  Young guys that were all living at the same address in Aruba. 

I recall reading some of the shango posts early on.  Never could make heads or tails from them, except they were laced with some stuff we already knew.

I think the Vrojlik name connects caps and shango.

Thanks Magnolia.  That's right.  Isn't that name also connected to ones living @ his address, or do I have that wrong?

[seemeatthebeach]

I thought they found marijuana & coke in his system?

I don't believe most of what Jean Casarez says.....she's full of mis-information. She's more excited about seeing the monster up close than getting any facts. She's nauseating......

[Jo-An]

I have never seen any proof of a toxicology report or related drug test out of Chile.
I do not think they did one, they just held onto Joran and dropped his happy ass off at the border.

Neither can I recall any toxicology report.  I DO recall, though, reports that VDS claimed to have been under the influence at the time of the homicide.  Such a claim might well be false.  Under many legal systems, intoxication is considered a mitigating circumstance, lessening a perpetrator's culpability -- and corresponding punishment -- for the commission of an illegal act.  Making such a false claim during the course of his confession would be thoroughly in keeping with VDS' manipulative nature. 

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439

     That's interesting.  There was a report out today that toxicology concludes that VDS was NOT under the influence of illegal drugs at the time of the murder.  Whom do we believe? 

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joren-van-der-sloot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791

Wow, that's really weird.
But there have been so many contradictions in this case... it's mindboggling!

[Tamikosmom]

Mr. Flores  said in an interview " I will do everything possible to bring jutice to my Daughter" If it's possible I will follow him around the world."

Minute 4:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYSSADUqXxw&feature=related

.... and then there are Stephany's brothers.

Joran has received a life sentence no matter what the outcome is in regards to Peruvian justice.

Janet

+++++++

Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

[Magnolia]

Will be interested to hear what Kermit has to say about this death.
Was he one of the four living @ the address where capslocks postings came from?

Can, No this is a younger one.  Was only about 25-26 when Natalee disappeared.  I believe he was attending school in Florida and may have been friends with that Gabe Leo who used to post on the FP a lot.

It's been so long I can't remember much about him but is not one of the heads of Capslockwizard.  But now that you mention it, may be where CLW got the idea to come and mess with people. 

In the beginning, Shango was like a game and some did enjoy decyphering his coded messages but he never really knew anything not public knowledge so eventually most lost interest.

There are threads here in the archives found on the Index pages for anyone interested.

.

Thanks Anna.  I was thinking of the caps posts to SM though.  I believe Kermit thinks there were four guys posting.  Young guys that were all living at the same address in Aruba. 

I recall reading some of the shango posts early on.  Never could make heads or tails from them, except they were laced with some stuff we already knew.

I think the Vrojlik name connects caps and shango.

Thanks Magnolia.  That's right.  Isn't that name also connected to ones living @ his address, or do I have that wrong?

You are right, Can.  The Shiribana address, and they are all somehow connected to ATA.

[carpe noctem]

Joran can be killed at any minute. Peru authorities have to do everything right to protect him. They can`t afford 1 failure.

Who on Earth has the power of being correct 100% of the time? Nobody.

[can]

It was so sad last night hearing JQK relate how painful Stefany's death was for Beth - how it has brought back the intensity and pain of five years ago
- my words - but the gist of it was heartbreaking.

[cecilita]

Monkeys,
Do you have the video when Stephany and the monster walk together to the casino's parking lot?