Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot: "I have a desire to discuss the case Natalee Holloway
Confessed murderer of Stephany said Young's death should clarify U.S. in exchange for extradite him to Aruba. Illusionist Uri Geller, a close friend of Michael Jackson, gave him money to come to Peru

By Alonso Ramos

The crime occurred five years ago but resumed when Joran van der Sloot killed in cold blood Stephany Flores. Coincidentally, Natalee Holloway disappeared the same day that killed Stephany: 30 May.

The citizen Dutchman, 23, was arrested in Aruba twice after the disappearance of Holloway, whose body was never found. Despite not being charged, Van der Sloot is considered as the main suspect of the fact.

So, he told the European Peruvian authorities want to crack the case of Holloway Natalle return to extradite him to Aruba.

MAKES THE TIMES
"I have a desire to speak on the case of Natalle Holloway, five years ago," the Peruvian foreign agents, as evidenced by the demonstration that elcomercio.pe police had access.

"If there is a possibility that the process is fast and fluid, I wish to be extradited to Aruba. I have the desire to talk about the case, but not right now. It is a case that has years and would rather talk to the police in Aruba, "noted Van der Sloot, who is currently in the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro.

The Illusionist
On the other hand, Van der Sloot said that Israeli magician Uri Geller, a close friend of the late Michael Jackson, paid U.S. $ 25 000, so that money could pay for their trip to Peru.

It further stated that participating in a television program in the country to warn of Internet scams.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494418/joran-van-der-sloot-tengo-deseos-hablar-caso-natalee-holloway

[klaasend]

And so is that Richardson.

Hell in a handbasket?

Klaas,
Show all of these people who have been gone so long the picture of Eric Zadaam in his coffin.

Gosh I'm not sure I saved it.  Let me see if I can find it.

The entire service including the open casket here:

http://boletinextra.com/index.php/component/content/article/31-local/1345-entiero-conmovedor-di-eric-zaandam

[carpe noctem]

No, Carpe, don't bring him here if the prison in Peru is as bad as it's being stated.  I mean, compared to what I'm reading about the Peru prison, Charles Manson's life is a cakewalk--much too good for that van der sloot.

I don`t either.

I was just pointing out the fact that Beth isn`t mean.

She wanted her dear daughter back. No more; no less.

She is all about the biness. ...and that would be her heart, Natalee.

[klaasend]

Well, I've got to hit the bunky, as 6am comes soon.  I could keep going but, better stop now, or will be up all night.  Thanks and Good job Monkeys!

God Bless and sweet dreams.  Keep praying for justice to be served as it should not what Joran wants, as he should be afraid, just like he put others through!

God works in mysterious ways, trust in him.

Nite Dihannah

[TURBOTHINK]

I agree with Thailand. It is a jungle there. There are young women who just "disappear" off the streets daily and no one ever asks why. The police don't bother to investigate because they just dismiss them as street girls. Even the ones from good families never find out what happened to their daughters/sons/relatives. It is not just girls there either, there is a large industry of male prostitutes who use young boys off the streets. Porn is rampant and snuff porn is the rule rather than the exception and that is what I believe JVS father was into. Most likely him too because of the way he described the way he killed Stephany. The whole killing may be on his computer videoed by his web cam.

I have always suspected they killed Natalie and taped the whole thing which was sent out over the internet afterward. If you remember there were hours of uploads after the time most suspect they had NH.

Yes, I think there is a choir of us who believe that now.  I am not sure there were so many when I began to believe it, but I am going to be shocked if I am told there is no evidence to that affect from people whose opinions I trust.

Sex-slave trade flourishes in Thailand

"People are bought and sold – children, too," Mylee said over a meal.

Mylee's point is underscored by the fact that a Thai police lieutenant colonel from Lumpini recently was charged with the repeated rape of a 12-year-old girl.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26296

Very much like the Dutch in Amsterdam

Prostitution in modern-day Sodom called Amsterdam

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21583

AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands – As the witching hour approached, the streets of Amsterdam’s red-light district came alive with a plethora of vices, spewing forth as if the gates of hell had been unchained.

[Tamikosmom]

Wouldn't it be something if Beth & Mr. Flores went together?!

No!

My prayer is that a time will come that Jug and Beth will get back together.  That time could come when there is a measure of closure that both will be afforded when Natalee comes home to rest on American soil.

Janet

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Comments:

168 .  JUG TWITTY on January 8th, 2007 9:27 am
 
I HAVE READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT.REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE MAY THINK I STILL LOVE BETH,MATT,AND NATALEE.I WILL ALWAYS BE THERE FOR THEM.I PRAY FOR CLOSURE EVERYNIGHT SO BETH CAN REST.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/05/sad-news-from-mountain-brook-al-jug-and-beth-twitty-divorcing/

I'm sorry-I must have failed to make myself clear in my response to Carpe's remark---I meant wouldn't it be something if Mr. Flores & Beth went to the prison together to face Joran?;  I too, hope Beth & Jug get back together romantically as a couple.

lol

Ono ... I misunderstood.  Story of my life.  I thought you were match making.

My understanding was that Stephany's parents were together but ... the way I interpreted your post ...

Hey ... it's past my bedtime.

Good Night All

Janet
9:50 PM PT

[klaasend]

TM - Funeral May 18

[Puzzler]

[Steph Watts]

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

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NANCY GRACE
Peru Files Murder One Charges on Van Der Sloot
Aired June 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?


Hmm....I think something's up.

Discovered??  Not likely.  The timing is so suspicious.  In my opinion ... Aruban authorities have known where Natalee Holloway's remains have been for the passed 2 1/2 years.  It was Aruban divers who on January 7, 2008 recovered unchallenged the contents of the trap discovered by the Persistence endeavor in Aruban waters.

Thank you Lifesong.  Great Catch!!

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IF in our wildest dreams this is true...WOW...Joran will have lost his ace up his sleeve and will be in Castro Castro for the rest of his life!!!

Yep...Not discovered....Planted for recovery....

[Port Valerie]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body. 

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence. 

These two women did not die from a rape. They died from resisting him. He doesn't take frustration well. I would guess he has met frustration and opposition more than these two times. We have the "missing years" in Thailand. So there could be more, IMO.

Stephany likely died in her struggle to resist rape.  Natalee might have, too, or she might have died of a combination of alcohol and Rohypnol intoxication.  It's impossible to tell at this point.  In either case, though, Joran would be guilty of felony murder in most U.S. jurisdictions. 

Yes, but not exactly. I'm putting a finer nuance on it. I think it's the idea of someone resisting him, or turning him down, or not giving him what he wants -- whether sex, or money, or respect -- that sends him into feelings of humiliation followed by rage. If he wanted to rape Stephany, he was certainly big enough and strong enough to do it and then leave her. The nature of the injuries suggest to me that he went berserk over who knows what perceived insult. He intended to kill, not subdue and have his way.

Oddly enough, I don't see Joran as a very sexual person. Not appealing. No chemistry. No seduction moves. I think his motivation is in the area of power and esteem, not sex.

[billb's daughter]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body. 

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence. 

He's a serial rapist, imo.  He'd raped plenty of times before Natalee and not just with Deepak & Satish along, again imo.

I would not at all be surprised to learn he had murdered other girls who fought back like Natalee and Stephany did.

It's really sad and infuriating.

The whole lot of aruba 'pimps' prayed on American tourists, singling them out, warming up to them to get them to drop their guard, and drugging, kidnapping, and raping (gang raping)...video taping, etc.
Then leaving the victim on the beach so when she walks up she has to rush to catch her flight....Not really sure what happened, but glad to be back home...it eventually dawned on the victim what happened, but at that point the victim was not about to bring it up....most likely out of embarrassment...
urine was one of the leaders....over time, he developed a sense of entitlement...and pushed past normal restraints (no parental morals)..started with killing his dog.....then getting away with rapes of local girls...then killing Natalee.......
paulass and anita have Natalee and Stephany blood on their hands...along with the corrupt, immoral,
POS aruban judicial/OM/ALE and American traitors......
I REALLY DO HATE THEM ALL......
It happened 20 times before with no problems...

[texasmom]

And so is that Richardson.

Hell in a handbasket?

Klaas,
Show all of these people who have been gone so long the picture of Eric Zadaam in his coffin.

Gosh I'm not sure I saved it.  Let me see if I can find it.

Lots of pictures of the funeral here.

#19 has Dolph Richardson in it and the unidentified ALE from the Persistence (to the right behind the casket).

http://boletinextra.com/index.php/component/content/article/31-local/1345-entiero-conmovedor-di-eric-zaandam

[darleenofalabama]

Oh, good, Carpe; I didn't think that sounded like you!  And, you're right, Beth isn't mean--even when she has a perfect right to be.

[Magnolia]

And so is that Richardson.

Hell in a handbasket?

Klaas,
Show all of these people who have been gone so long the picture of Eric Zadaam in his coffin.

Gosh I'm not sure I saved it.  Let me see if I can find it.

The entire service including the open casket here:

http://boletinextra.com/index.php/component/content/article/31-local/1345-entiero-conmovedor-di-eric-zaandam

Where is the close-up that San found for us?

[texasmom]

TM - Funeral May 18

So that puts him dying about the time Joran left Aruba I think....

[Tamikosmom]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body. 

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence. 

I'm thinking Thailand

Yes, where human life does not seem to be the treasure and value that we Westerners place on it.  I am so thankful for my country, its founding fathers, my Savior and all those responsible for input into my beliefs and values.

AMEN!!

God Bless America
God Bless Canada

[darleenofalabama]

PortValerie, from what I've gathered over the past few days' posts (and certain pictures), that multiple murderer might have ambiguous genitalia; something usually decided one way or another and corrected shortly after birth, but evidently not in his case.

[klaasend]

TM - Funeral May 18

So that puts him dying about the time Joran left Aruba I think....

May 12, 2010 YES

[texasmom]

And so is that Richardson.

Hell in a handbasket?

Klaas,
Show all of these people who have been gone so long the picture of Eric Zadaam in his coffin.

Gosh I'm not sure I saved it.  Let me see if I can find it.

The entire service including the open casket here:

http://boletinextra.com/index.php/component/content/article/31-local/1345-entiero-conmovedor-di-eric-zaandam

Where is the close-up that San found for us?

You're sooooo bad, LMAO

HT Klaasend

[billb's daughter]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body. 

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence. 

I'm thinking Thailand

Yes, where human life does not seem to be the treasure and value that we Westerners place on it.  I am so thankful for my country, its founding fathers, my Savior and all those responsible for input into my beliefs and values.

I've traveled the world enough to know American is a blessing!
Amen

[texasmom]

TM - Funeral May 18

So that puts him dying about the time Joran left Aruba I think....

May 12, 2010 YES

Thanks Klaas!   (I'm hearing that twilight zone sound....) hmmmm