Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Tamikosmom]

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As for Aruba holding K. passports, I'd love to know on what grounds. 

Are there any back up links been posted which support the contention that Deepak and Satish's passports have been confiscated by Aruba.  Is this info revealed in any defamation lawsuit documents?

Thanks

Janet
 

Janet, I'm sorry I can't help but to say I read it here yesterday. 

To my knowledge it is not revealed in any defamation lawsuits.
Did you comment on it yesterday?  I thought you had,  and I would have liked to respond, but by the time I read it SM was pages ahead.

Thanks Can

Yes ... I did respond to Edward post.

Janet

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According to Steph Watts radio show:

Dave has just arrived in Aruba.

Beth is on her way to Peru.

and the Kalpoop can't move off the rock because there passports have been revoked.

Steph.. I have seen him be wrong before.. So... what ever.

Why?

Do Aruban/Dutch authorities fear that coming to the States to be deposed in the Phil McGraw defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes will reveal ALL they have knowledge of in regards to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Do Aruban/Dtuch authorities fear that coming to the States to be deposed in the Phil McGraw defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes will reveal ALL they have knowledge of in regards to those who participated in the cover up ... the cover up that has denied Natalee justice for five long years?

Do Aruban/Dutch authorities fear that while in the States ... the Kalpoes may seek asylum?

Somehow I believe that when all is said and done ... Joran, Deepak and Satish will be sacrificed and ... the Aruban house of cards will not collapse ... it will remain standing.

Janet

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ART WOOD:

The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

I agree Janet, Joran and K2 cast their own fate, the liars did it all.

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[Ono]

I am relishing the fact that Peru will not return Aruba's phone calls. lol --How sweet that is!

[Ono]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/14/joran-van-der-sloot-welcome-to-castro-castro-prison-just-another-day-in-paradise-jvds-mug-shot/

Joran van der Sloot welcome to Castro Castro Prison … Just Another Day in Paradise, JVDS Mug Shot

Well done-Glad Red added that particular video.

[pinkbanana]

Good Morning, Monkey Family

It felt so GOOD this morning to see that POS in his DUMP of a home cell.
I will now have a WONDERFUL day...ha


back to catching up.

pb

Am I reading correctly??? Is there a pic of Joran in his cell somewhere?????

Good Morning

There was a clip this morning on the Today show of him in his new FABULOUS home.

I'm sure there's a pic somewhere...one of Monkeys will find it and post.

pb

[MsVada]

OOPS,  I'm so sorry, I posted in the wrong thread,  Can Klaas or someone delete it for me? 

Again,  So sorry!!

[can]

<snipped>

As for Aruba holding K. passports, I'd love to know on what grounds. 

Are there any back up links been posted which support the contention that Deepak and Satish's passports have been confiscated by Aruba.  Is this info revealed in any defamation lawsuit documents?

Thanks

Janet
 

Janet, I'm sorry I can't help but to say I read it here yesterday. 

To my knowledge it is not revealed in any defamation lawsuits.
Did you comment on it yesterday?  I thought you had,  and I would have liked to respond, but by the time I read it SM was pages ahead.

Thanks Can

Yes ... I did respond to Edward post.

Janet

______

According to Steph Watts radio show:

Dave has just arrived in Aruba.

Beth is on her way to Peru.

and the Kalpoop can't move off the rock because there passports have been revoked.

Steph.. I have seen him be wrong before.. So... what ever.

Why?

Do Aruban/Dutch authorities fear that coming to the States to be deposed in the Phil McGraw defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes will reveal ALL they have knowledge of in regards to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Do Aruban/Dtuch authorities fear that coming to the States to be deposed in the Phil McGraw defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes will reveal ALL they have knowledge of in regards to those who participated in the cover up ... the cover up that has denied Natalee justice for five long years?

Do Aruban/Dutch authorities fear that while in the States ... the Kalpoes may seek asylum?

Somehow I believe that when all is said and done ... Joran, Deepak and Satish will be sacrificed and ... the Aruban house of cards will not collapse ... it will remain standing.

Janet

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ART WOOD:

The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

I agree Janet, Joran and K2 cast their own fate, the liars did it all.

. 

Thanks Janet.  So, now we know where that came from.

In any case, I agree that your take on this is possible.

It's also possible that K2's are on notice and ALE will spin this - depending on which way the wind blows on any given day.

[MsVada]

I'd love the know what dates he got money from the FBI, Uri and whomever else, he was in a crappy hotel, and had very little money left by June 2nd...he has a serious gambling problem, and luckily, it seems that will be the reason he get caught for murder...

Isn't life crazy????

I think he got 10K cash and 15k wired to a dutch account on May 10th

[Ono]

Thanks Klaas.
All eyes are upon Aruba now.  They must hate that!!!

We read yesterday that Aruba is holding the Kalpoe passports.  What do you make of that?

Do you see it as a supportive ploy re the Lawsuit with Phil or are they flagging them, maybe as message they are under suspicion?? or .......???

That is a ploy by the officials who are involved in this to keep them from testifying in the case in California. They are afraid they will "spill the beans" on everyone once they get on American soil.

Thanks Turbo, appreciate your opinion.  Often ALE do things that can be spun many ways.  

Well, we know they are not going to arrest them or charge them unless they have decided to make them the "fall guys" for NH murder. Of course that might happen if those two don't know who the officials are who negotiated all the missing evidence. If only Joran knows, they might think they can just rely on the fact he is such a liar to get out of their part.

I am guessing with all this coming down now, they don't want those two in court testifying. The other option might be they are covering up once again in this case. If they hold the passports then they can claim to the court that they can't leave the island.  

I heard an interesting quote yesterday saying Aruba officials would be wanting Joran dead in that jail and might be sending someone to keep him from talking about all of their connections. I had not thought about them sending someone in to make that happen. Could that be why he won't eat the food? He believes they will try to poison him?

That's what I think-way too many 'poisonings' in Aruba that are supposed to be self-inflicted, imo.  It's straight out of the 18th Century ...lol

[Frank]

Van Susteren: Did he say why he saw willing to make up the story?

John: Well, I guess they wanted (inaudible) maybe the Dutch guy have some
power on them, they all friends, and the family stick and talk and
say, "we're going to stick to that, and that's it," you know? Trade in
some black guy, scapegoat, lock him up, I guess so.

Van Susteren: Anything else you'd like to say?

John: Well, like I said before, the justice system, the detectives, they're
fools. They have to go back to school. And they were used, like, a
scapegoat, used,like, a black person in society to cover their mess.


"The justice system, the detectives, they're fools?"

Ex-Commissioner Stanley Zaandam agrees with John. He said early on, "none of the high ranking commissioners has the qualification or experience to conduct a judicial investigation."

He went on to say, "the body of Natalee Holloway may have already been found and CVP (Police Commissioner) looked the other way to do a favor for Paul Van der sloot. To exculpate the son of Paul, the CVP and fiscal Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John, called this a "tactical maneuver" and denied them their freedom another 10 days."(Bon Dia, 9/19/2005)

Karin Janssen:

"The father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran's, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. And that is--well, I can say--was an obstruction of the investigation. The father has spoken with those three suspects, and he said he gave them some legal advice--but I think the advices were going further than that--They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don't have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance."

Attorney General Mariaine Croes:

"Paulus Van der sloot is being held in suspicion of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, not the cover-up."

Not the cover up? What cover up?

[Sea Searcher]

[Steph Watts]

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

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NANCY GRACE
Peru Files Murder One Charges on Van Der Sloot
Aired June 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?


Hmm....I think something's up.

Discovered??  Not likely.  The timing is so suspicious.  In my opinion ... Aruban authorities have known where Natalee Holloway's remains have been for the passed 2 1/2 years.  It was Aruban divers who on January 7, 2008 recovered unchallenged the contents of the trap discovered by the Persistence endeavor in Aruban waters.

Thank you Lifesong.  Great Catch!!

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Yep...Not discovered....Planted for recovery....

IF Nancy Grace's breaking news of June 11th reflects the truth and ... Aruba gives up Natalee's remains ... the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 will continue to remain elusive.  IMO

It is my hope that Joran spends years detained in a Peruvian prison.

Janet
 

Mornin' Monkeys !

I believe the "skull being found" is based on the photo's that were taken by that couple last year ?? If I remember correctly (with my last remaining brain cell) that Rob enhanced the photo's and was confident that the "skull" was just rocks... (sorry Rob, if i'm incorrect...I don't usually like to highlight a poster in case I'm mistaken..I just remember you pointing out a sea snake ect.)

This is old news that for some reason, the media keep presenting as "Breaking News"

If the "skull finding" is about that big trap...I can't say much as that's around the time I lost track of what was going on over there..

[EURobert]

Dave Holloway back in Aruba - Today show:

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I'm afraid Jurine in the Ditch is not going to tell where the remains of Natalee are; I think when the remains of Natalee in the end will be found it will become clear that he MURDERED her as violently as he did Stephanie. So it's NOT AT ALL in his interest to disclose his secret.

[Ono]

I'd love the know what dates he got money from the FBI, Uri and whomever else, he was in a crappy hotel, and had very little money left by June 2nd...he has a serious gambling problem, and luckily, it seems that will be the reason he get caught for murder...

Isn't life crazy????

Ho ozziesmom.  He didn't get money from the FBI-the monies were private monies.  The FBI arranged & set the sting procedures up.

[klaasend]

http://www.aja.com.pe/aja/seccion.php?txtSecci_id=4&txtNota_id=372016

Through translator:

[Jules34]

I've been following SM since the very early days and I almost never have posted, but I must say that I love (and I use that word cautiously given the absolute wretchedness of this situation) watching Joran paraded through those crowds of angry press and members of the public - especially that video of him with a towel around his neck trying to duck and getting pushed/pulled into that van to be taken to prison. What an absolutely shocking turn of events for that animal - to finally be treated as an animal instead of some sort of untouchable prince that he seems to think he is.

I find it impossible to guess what the adjustment to living in such conditions will do to him. I find it hard to imagine that it will lead to him being honest about where Natalee is (which I'm not even sure if I think he knows) but at the end of the day I can't stay off this site, constantly hoping that the very next post is the one that says she's been found.

The sadness is nearly unbearable. How I feel for the families. How heartbreaking for a family whose biggest hope in life is that their daughter be found dead, rather than not being found at all.

God bless you all.

[OneHappyChica]

I am relishing the fact that Peru will not return Aruba's phone calls. lol --How sweet that is!

I agree...provided Aruba is actually attempting to contact Peru (for all we know, they may be dialing local pizza delivery or a disconnected number!).

Thanks Klaasend...it feels so good to be a monkey! Thanks to all of you for your dedication in seeking and securing justice for Natalee and Stephany!

[ozziesmom]

I'd love the know what dates he got money from the FBI, Uri and whomever else, he was in a crappy hotel, and had very little money left by June 2nd...he has a serious gambling problem, and luckily, it seems that will be the reason he get caught for murder...

Isn't life crazy????

Ho ozziesmom.  He didn't get money from the FBI-the monies were private monies.  The FBI arranged & set the sting procedures up.

Sorry Ono, that's what I meant

[klaasend]

Hi Jules!  Nice to see you posting!

and you too OneHappyChica!

[AZSunny]

Van Susteren: Did he say why he saw willing to make up the story?

John: Well, I guess they wanted (inaudible) maybe the Dutch guy have some
power on them, they all friends, and the family stick and talk and
say, "we're going to stick to that, and that's it," you know? Trade in
some black guy, scapegoat, lock him up, I guess so.

Van Susteren: Anything else you'd like to say?

John: Well, like I said before, the justice system, the detectives, they're
fools. They have to go back to school. And they were used, like, a
scapegoat, used,like, a black person in society to cover their mess.


"The justice system, the detectives, they're fools?"

Ex-Commissioner Stanley Zaandam agrees with John. He said early on, "none of the high ranking commissioners has the qualification or experience to conduct a judicial investigation."

He went on to say, "the body of Natalee Holloway may have already been found and CVP (Police Commissioner) looked the other way to do a favor for Paul Van der sloot. To exculpate the son of Paul, the CVP and fiscal Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John, called this a "tactical maneuver" and denied them their freedom another 10 days."(Bon Dia, 9/19/2005)

Karin Janssen:

"The father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran's, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. And that is--well, I can say--was an obstruction of the investigation. The father has spoken with those three suspects, and he said he gave them some legal advice--but I think the advices were going further than that--They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don't have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance."

Attorney General Mariaine Croes:

"Paulus Van der sloot is being held in suspicion of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, not the cover-up."

Not the cover up? What cover up?

Very interesting Frank, and I had forgotten those quotes.  This is the same Zaandam that recently died, correct?

[klaasend]

http://stephww.wordpress.com/


ARUBA: THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM

    * June 13, 2010 – 2:50 am

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

[jjayinthemorning]

I just feel that Aruba can have it both ways.  1.  to prevent them from testifying in court, as you say and 2. they can say they are doing their part
in Natalee's investigation by ensuring the K's won't leave the island until Natalee's investigation is complete - spin, spin, spin.

Yes, maybe Joran is afraid he will be poisoned however I feel it is the Peruvians fear and they are doing their utmost, for now, to keep him alive.  That is why the sod is getting superior food. 

Yep, they have to keep him alive for a little longer.
Then the headlines will be: Joran slipped and fell in his cell and hit his head on the hard concrete and cracked his skull. Terrible accident, and so sorry but the remains melted in the heat and all that's left is a little goo to send back to his mother. Buh Bye.