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« Reply #1640 on: June 14, 2010, 12:35:15 PM »

Peter deVries should send Joran and Anita a bottle of wine/with wine glasses for Christmas this year, for old time sakes.
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« Reply #1641 on: June 14, 2010, 12:35:50 PM »

Stephany Flores Family demands life sentence
Edward Alvarez, attorney for the family of Stephany, said new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. Meanwhile, the defense of the Netherlands reported that leave the case.

Flores Stephany's family demand through his lawyer, Edward Alvarez, the penalty of life imprisonment for the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the girl, who since last Friday is being held in a cell of the Miguel Castro personal Castro.

Counsel contended that new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. He argues that the indictment for murder, the foreigner would get a very light sentence and could go free in about eight years.

'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21.

According reflects the average Stephany's family insists that she would have earned about $ 10,000, proceeds from their poker games, but that money was not found in the pickup of the girl or the crime scene.

'If it is established that he committed robbery followed by death, Joran receive life imprisonment. In addition, lack of information on the laptop, which is crucial to know whether or not a message received on the case of Aruba, "he explained.

Alvarez also said he requested the crossing of information from cell phone calls Stephany, and indicated that they will have the testimony of a journalist who followed the Aruba case of American Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance occurred in May 2005 is involved Van der Sloot.

Advocate leave if Van der Sloot

The Dutchman's lawyer, Max Highness Navarro, told El Comercio that will leave the legal defense of the accused for murder.

'Relatives of Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "he said.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-14-familia-de-stephany-flores-exige-cadena-perpetua-para-van-der-sloot-noticia_272154.html
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« Reply #1642 on: June 14, 2010, 12:37:02 PM »

Lawyer Van der Sloot stops
 Released:    14 juni 2010 17:47 June 14, 2010 5:47 p.m.
 Last edited:    14 juni 2010 17:50 June 14, 2010 5:50 p.m.

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2269693/advocaat-van-sloot-stopt.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 LIMA - Máximo Altez, de advocaat van de in Peru van moord verdachte Joran van der Sloot, legt de zaak zeer binnenkort neer, omdat zijn familie 'veel problemen heeft gehad'.
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Dat meldde het Peruaanse radiostation RPP maandag. Volgens het radiostation zei Altez dat er in de komende dagen familie van Van der Sloot naar Peru komt om een nieuwe advocaat te zoeken.

De familie van de eind mei vermoorde, 21-jarige Peruaanse Stephany Flores Ramírez, wil een levenslange gevangenisstraf voor Van der Sloot.

Een raadsman van de familie zou met extra bewijzen komen om die eis te rechtvaardigen. De aanklacht luidt momenteel moord met voorbedachte rade, waarvoor de maximumstraf in Peru 35 jaar cel is.

Bekentenis

De 22-jarige Van der Sloot wordt ervan verdacht Flores op 30 mei in zijn hotelkamer in de Peruaanse hoofdstad Lima te hebben vermoord.

Hij heeft tegenover de Peruaanse politie een bekentenis afgelegd waarin hij stelt de vrouw in een vlaag van woede te hebben omgebracht. Hij verblijft in een gevangenis in het noorden van Lima in afwachting van zijn proces.

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Reported that the Peruvian radio station RPP Monday.  According to the radio station said Altez that in the coming days with the family of Van der Sloot to come to Peru to find a new lawyer.
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« Reply #1643 on: June 14, 2010, 12:41:47 PM »

Janet,

Thanks for posting the Kyle Kingman report...I had left for a while around that time and was never able to catch up on what had happened with the cage..that sums it up nicely

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« Reply #1644 on: June 14, 2010, 12:43:48 PM »

I am relishing the fact that Peru will not return Aruba's phone calls. lol --How sweet that is!

Aruba is probably calling Peru, Missouri!!

Lol ..
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« Reply #1645 on: June 14, 2010, 12:47:04 PM »

Haven't figured out yet how to quote here, but I'm worried about the following statement from the article MisGivings posted above:

"'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21."

It seems to me that there's no way the police report could be "weak and insufficient" given all the facts, but I don't like even the suggestion of weakness.
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« Reply #1646 on: June 14, 2010, 12:52:44 PM »

Hello, Y'all.

Don't worry, Jules, it's neither weak or insufficient.  He's done.

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« Reply #1647 on: June 14, 2010, 12:52:55 PM »

Joran Van der Sloot is left without defense counsel

Maximum Highness Navarro reported that in the coming days will the legal defense of confessed murderer of Stephanie Ramirez Flores.

"Relatives of Joran Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "said Navarro Highness.

On the other hand, according to police versions Dutchman has proven insecure and depressed since he was admitted to the prison, consuming only food that gives the staff of INPE.

Joran Van der Sloot was detained by order of Judge Juan Buendia Valenzuela, who opened his investigation for murder, so he could be sentenced to 35 years in prison.

http://www.24horas.com.pe/nacionales/1276538346.php
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« Reply #1648 on: June 14, 2010, 12:54:08 PM »

That lawyer probably had second thoughts and didn't even want to represent him.
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« Reply #1649 on: June 14, 2010, 12:54:14 PM »

I cannot wait for the forensic laptop results! I suspect casino videos are telling as well. If Peruvian casino surveillance is anything akin to that in the States (I worked in a casino for years), Stephany's winnings are well documented. This may be the evidence needed to assert robbery was Joran's primary motive.
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« Reply #1650 on: June 14, 2010, 12:54:35 PM »

Haven't figured out yet how to quote here, but I'm worried about the following statement from the article MisGivings posted above:

"'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21."

It seems to me that there's no way the police report could be "weak and insufficient" given all the facts, but I don't like even the suggestion of weakness.

IMO....again due to translations things get lost and turned around.....I think the first park is about the original story joran gave.....the bolded part above is stating Peru now has evidence that Stephany was killed during a robbery attempt by joran and that makes it a life sentence case.
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« Reply #1651 on: June 14, 2010, 12:54:36 PM »

Peru should tell momma sloot they don't know what prison Joran was sent to for the next 5 years, tell her they can't be sure if he's dead or alive.....no evidence he's dead, but none he's alive either. "We will keep searching though and will contact you if/when we find him, dead or alive." So sorry for the mix-up mrs. sloot.

Of course maybe she wouldn't care......she has a black soul
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« Reply #1652 on: June 14, 2010, 12:55:40 PM »

The family of Joran's Peruvian lawyer has experienced many problems.  Threats, I would imagine.  Bummer.  Could make it difficult for him to find another lawyer.  Still, I do not see Peru letting this get away from them.  There will be no obstacle to locking him up for a very, very long time, if not forever.  Just my thinking.
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« Reply #1653 on: June 14, 2010, 12:56:02 PM »

Janet,

Thanks for posting the Kyle Kingman report...I had left for a while around that time and was never able to catch up on what had happened with the cage..that sums it up nicely

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Ok...so these aren't posts made here by Kyle (oceanexplorer) ? but to another forum ?

Last I remembered...that Kyle was posting here, and the Persistence had to return home due to lack of funds but said they would return...I know a lot happened between then and now from scanning quickly some of the posts here now and then, but I could never follow it..

Is there a separate thread for the whole Kyle/Persistence story ??

TIA
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« Reply #1654 on: June 14, 2010, 12:56:06 PM »

Haven't figured out yet how to quote here, but I'm worried about the following statement from the article MisGivings posted above:



jules...to quote look on the right top of the post you want to respond to, where it says quote, click on that.....
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« Reply #1655 on: June 14, 2010, 12:56:24 PM »

That's good, Seemeatthebeach!
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« Reply #1656 on: June 14, 2010, 12:57:36 PM »

That lawyer probably had second thoughts and didn't even want to represent him.

I think he realized they wanted him to work pro bono...or the death threats were starting to skeer him
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« Reply #1657 on: June 14, 2010, 12:57:37 PM »

That lawyer probably had second thoughts and didn't even want to represent him.

or threats based on how the citizens have embraced Urine.
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« Reply #1658 on: June 14, 2010, 12:59:58 PM »

Haven't figured out yet how to quote here, but I'm worried about the following statement from the article MisGivings posted above:

"'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21."

It seems to me that there's no way the police report could be "weak and insufficient" given all the facts, but I don't like even the suggestion of weakness.

Hi Jules! In the upper right corner of the post you want to quote, you'll find the word "quote" in blue. Click that and it will open the window where you post with the quoted post already there. Start your post below the [/quote] and hit Post when you are done, as usual. It should show up with the both the quoted post and your new comments.

If you mess up the first time or two, don't worry. We've all done it!

You can always click "Preview" to take a look at how it will look before you click Post. You'll get the hang of it! <wink>
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« Reply #1659 on: June 14, 2010, 01:00:16 PM »

So now that Highest Maximus has stepped away due to problems, does this mean that his request to the courts to throw everything out and start from scratch goes away with him?
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