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« Reply #1660 on: June 14, 2010, 01:00:57 PM »

I cannot wait for the forensic laptop results! I suspect casino videos are telling as well. If Peruvian casino surveillance is anything akin to that in the States (I worked in a casino for years), Stephany's winnings are well documented. This may be the evidence needed to assert robbery was Joran's primary motive.

Thanks for sharing that, I'm hopeful the records will confirm this too!
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« Reply #1661 on: June 14, 2010, 01:01:56 PM »

That lawyer probably had second thoughts and didn't even want to represent him.

or threats based on how the citizens have embraced Urine.

The threats toward the lawyer bother me.  I think it is important Joran gets good representation before they lock him up and toss away the key.  Otherwise, well....
he will continue to sqawk about his rights being violated. 
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« Reply #1662 on: June 14, 2010, 01:02:45 PM »

So now that Highest Maximus has stepped away due to problems, does this mean that his request to the courts to throw everything out and start from scratch goes away with him?

I hope not but didn't they report that the initial court-appointed attorney was removed because supposedly they were too tight with the Peruvian police?

I am unsure if there is an attorney that will yield to the demands of the NL and Anita which likely is the true dilemma!
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« Reply #1663 on: June 14, 2010, 01:03:55 PM »

Joran Van der Sloot is left without defense counsel

Maximum Highness Navarro reported that in the coming days will the legal defense of confessed murderer of Stephanie Ramirez Flores.

"Relatives of Joran Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "said Navarro Highness.

On the other hand, according to police versions Dutchman has proven insecure and depressed since he was admitted to the prison, consuming only food that gives the staff of INPE.

Joran Van der Sloot was detained by order of Judge Juan Buendia Valenzuela, who opened his investigation for murder, so he could be sentenced to 35 years in prison.

http://www.24horas.com.pe/nacionales/1276538346.php

Sounds to me like his lawyer's family was threatened.  Good luck finding someone to take the case and continue represent him.

Good luck to anyone in Joran's family who comes to visit him.  I am sure  Peru can not guarantee their safety while in that country.
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« Reply #1664 on: June 14, 2010, 01:05:34 PM »

Haven't figured out yet how to quote here, but I'm worried about the following statement from the article MisGivings posted above:

"'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21."

It seems to me that there's no way the police report could be "weak and insufficient" given all the facts, but I don't like even the suggestion of weakness.

Jules.....words get lost in translation unfortunately

my take on the article is that Joran's statement is weak meaning "not credible" because the authorities have evidence to prove Joran is lying. (No surprise there) Peru has everything under control, IMO and I remain optimistic until I see otherwise. Seriously, they captured him June 3rd, have already charged him with murder and robbery AND locked his evil @ss in one of the worst prisons in Peru. (less than 2 weeks) I'd say they know what they are doing over there, unlike Aruba.
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« Reply #1665 on: June 14, 2010, 01:06:16 PM »

I am relishing the fact that Peru will not return Aruba's phone calls. lol --How sweet that is!

Aruba is probably calling Peru, Missouri!!

LOL...

All this time I had figured that Aruba was covering for some very intelligent and well connected Joran Vandersloot and his Father and a mother with values inside of there toilet.. The whole damn island supported them, Politicians, Police and most of the people that live on that rock for Christ sakes.. "sigh" @<@
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In the end they were covering for a couple of Idiots and Anita... That says it all.
So I would not doubt Aruba would call Missouri looking for Lima Peru.

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« Reply #1666 on: June 14, 2010, 01:06:57 PM »

Peter de Vries on Dutch tv right now (RTL Boulevard).

First they showed the footage of him being transferred to Castro Castro.
Dutch guy living in Peru talking about Joran could be easily killed by a fellow inmate who for a small amount of money will kill him.
Peruvians are very angry that Joran is getting a "1st class treatment" because he is in a single cell, with a sink and a toilet (well... toilet...?!).
Peter is reading part of the confession and basically saying that because Joran was actually thinking about what to do while killing Stephany, this is 1st degree murder.
Peter wants Joran to finally say if there are still remains of Natalee that can be found.
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« Reply #1667 on: June 14, 2010, 01:07:24 PM »

Anita should take a salad bowl with her on her visit to Peru.
Re: They will throw rotten fruits and vegetables at her.
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« Reply #1668 on: June 14, 2010, 01:09:19 PM »

I can't imagine she could sneak in without being noticed, and I just don't believe it is safe for her.  I doubt Peru LE will offer her security.  I am not sure what the obligation of Peru would be. 
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« Reply #1669 on: June 14, 2010, 01:09:48 PM »

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« Reply #1670 on: June 14, 2010, 01:13:50 PM »

That lawyer probably had second thoughts and didn't even want to represent him.

or threats based on how the citizens have embraced Urine.

The threats toward the lawyer bother me.  I think it is important Joran gets good representation before they lock him up and toss away the key.  Otherwise, well....
he will continue to sqawk about his rights being violated. 

It's not Peru's problem if Joran can not get a private lawyer to defend him. He will be given a public defender just like the other criminals in Peru. Authorities will protect him until they get the truth about where Natalee's remains are OR until they know he is lying once again. Peru will then throw him to the wolves.
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« Reply #1671 on: June 14, 2010, 01:14:26 PM »

I cannot wait for the forensic laptop results! I suspect casino videos are telling as well. If Peruvian casino surveillance is anything akin to that in the States (I worked in a casino for years), Stephany's winnings are well documented. This may be the evidence needed to assert robbery was Joran's primary motive.
From what I understand, they were waiting until a judge to be assigned to start hearing the request for a warrant to check his computer and such.
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« Reply #1672 on: June 14, 2010, 01:14:42 PM »


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Thanks SunnyinTX and CBB. I hope this worked. Funny how you can see the same things over and over and just learn to ignore it -- every time I read here I must scan over that word "quote", and couldn't find it when I needed it!

I usually take it when a lawyer quits a file that the accused has told the lawyer enough information that the lawyer can no longer represent the client without lying, which would be an ethical breach. I wonder if Joran told him things that make him unable to ethically continue with the defence (by which I mean legal ethics, not ethics in the broader sense of how could one possibly defend Joran). I thought the reference to the lawyer's family could just be an excuse to get off the file -- like when politicians whose behaviour is questioned say they are stepping down to spend more time with some sick family member, but really they've been forced out.
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« Reply #1673 on: June 14, 2010, 01:19:33 PM »

Most peruvians are very traditional people and they have extreme respect for mothers and grandmothers. They will not see Anita as a problem until she starts defending the monster. Most Peruvians don’t know about this woman.
I am corious if Stephany 's father and brother know about all the documentation the monkeys made during the last 5 years.
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« Reply #1674 on: June 14, 2010, 01:20:40 PM »

Jean Casarez is reporting periodically from Peru on HLN and answering questions.  Says Joran is in the cell right next to the Colombian hit man and that they talk.  She says that Joran is let out for TV viewing one hour a day with the hitman. 

You can call in and ask questions of Ms Casarez.....someone said that his passport should be checked for where he was on each anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and see if there are missing girls....good idea
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« Reply #1675 on: June 14, 2010, 01:23:27 PM »

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« Reply #1676 on: June 14, 2010, 01:27:44 PM »

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« Reply #1677 on: June 14, 2010, 01:28:17 PM »

Joran Van der Sloot is left without defense counsel

Maximum Highness Navarro reported that in the coming days will the legal defense of confessed murderer of Stephanie Ramirez Flores.

"Relatives of Joran Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "said Navarro Highness.

On the other hand, according to police versions Dutchman has proven insecure and depressed since he was admitted to the prison, consuming only food that gives the staff of INPE.

Joran Van der Sloot was detained by order of Judge Juan Buendia Valenzuela, who opened his investigation for murder, so he could be sentenced to 35 years in prison.

http://www.24horas.com.pe/nacionales/1276538346.php

If Anita plans on being in Peru while Beth is there, she needs a shrink instead of a media advisor. I saw that the translation says Anita is unable to go to Peru, so I'm not sure whether she's going or not?

I have the feeling that Anita doesn't really feel an urgency in regard to Joran's situation. If Richard Gear has priority, that speaks volumes!

Greg Jarret (FOX) just said that the US could claim jurisdiction for capital murder charges for Natalee to have Joran sent to US after he serves his time in Peru. Natalee was a US citizen and there is a provision to do that.
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« Reply #1678 on: June 14, 2010, 01:28:56 PM »

I cannot wait for the forensic laptop results! I suspect casino videos are telling as well. If Peruvian casino surveillance is anything akin to that in the States (I worked in a casino for years), Stephany's winnings are well documented. This may be the evidence needed to assert robbery was Joran's primary motive.
From what I understand, they were waiting until a judge to be assigned to start hearing the request for a warrant to check his computer and such.

Dolph: Mr Prosecutor: pretty please, give me a call back. I just want to meet with you to get Joran's laptop. It will help us solve our crime.
Prosecutor: Go shit in your hat. Bring a notepad and we will show you how an investigation should be handled. About the laptop, we will let you know what we find. By the way, quit calling me so damn much.
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« Reply #1679 on: June 14, 2010, 01:29:25 PM »

Knowing the character, that lying, manipulating, multiple murderer will "squawk" about his "rights" being violated no matter what happens.  He is a practiced whiner.  I don't care what he whines about.  His opinion matters not one iota.  He is done.
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