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« Reply #1680 on: June 14, 2010, 01:29:53 PM »

Jean Casarez is reporting periodically from Peru on HLN and answering questions.  Says Joran is in the cell right next to the Colombian hit man and that they talk.  She says that Joran is let out for TV viewing one hour a day with the hitman.  
You can call in and ask questions of Ms Casarez.....someone said that his passport should be checked for where he was on each anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and see if there are missing girls....good idea

If I were one of the many folks in Aruba that participated in the cover-up and have information, possibly on him, I'd be a wee bit nervous that he's becoming cozy in prison with a hitman, yikes.
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« Reply #1681 on: June 14, 2010, 01:30:06 PM »

IMO.....Peru wants Joran to see the reality of his future in Castro Castro prison. They put him in protected cell, but they are allowing him to get a taste of what it will be like in general population. It won't take long, after 1 day he is trying to manipulate.......Peru wants to scare the bejeezuz out of him so he will tell the truth about Natalee. I think they will let the fear sink in a little more, let him think he will get to transfer to Aruba. Joran will know this is last chance for him, it's his only option to tell the truth. They want him to think he will get a deal, otherwise he will lie again......but Peru is not gonna give him up to those schmucks in Aruba. They know the idiots will let Joran walk the streets in short order, and will not let that happen. They have already said he will serve his sentence before he can return to Aruba....and then the US will snatch him.
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« Reply #1682 on: June 14, 2010, 01:31:03 PM »

I cannot wait for the forensic laptop results! I suspect casino videos are telling as well. If Peruvian casino surveillance is anything akin to that in the States (I worked in a casino for years), Stephany's winnings are well documented. This may be the evidence needed to assert robbery was Joran's primary motive.
From what I understand, they were waiting until a judge to be assigned to start hearing the request for a warrant to check his computer and such.

Dolph: Mr Prosecutor: pretty please, give me a call back. I just want to meet with you to get Joran's laptop. It will help us solve our crime.
Prosecutor: Go shit in your hat. Bring a notepad and we will show you how an investigation should be handled. About the laptop, we will let you know what we find. By the way, quit calling me so damn much.
is USA helping the Le in Peru? I mean sending a good computer investigator to help with the investigations.
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« Reply #1683 on: June 14, 2010, 01:33:01 PM »

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/490545/2010/06/14/Van-der-Sloots-advocaat-houdt-er-al-weer-mee-op.dhtml

Máximo Altez family is threatened

LIMA - Máximo Altez, the lawyer for the accused of murder in Peru Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, explains the matter very shortly down, because his family "has had many problems and threats." Reported that the Peruvian radio station RPP Monday.

According to the radio station said Altez that in the coming days with the family of Van der Sloot to come to Peru to find a new lawyer.

The family of the late May killed 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores Ramírez, wants a life sentence for Van der Sloot. A lawyer representing the family would come with additional evidence for this claim to justify. The charge is currently premeditated murder, for which the maximum penalty 35 years in Peru cell.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot is suspected Flores on May 30 in his hotel room in the Peruvian capital Lima to the murder. He has told the Peruvian police a confession in which he claims the woman in a fit of rage to have killed. He dwells in a prison in northern Lima pending his trial. (Reuters)
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« Reply #1684 on: June 14, 2010, 01:34:25 PM »

Click on the photo below Wink



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« Reply #1685 on: June 14, 2010, 01:35:18 PM »

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Whoopi Goldberg Calls Joran Van Der Sloot a 'Piece of Dog Mess'


Even a broken clock...
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« Reply #1686 on: June 14, 2010, 01:37:52 PM »

That lawyer probably had second thoughts and didn't even want to represent him.

or threats based on how the citizens have embraced Urine.

The threats toward the lawyer bother me.  I think it is important Joran gets good representation before they lock him up and toss away the key.  Otherwise, well....
he will continue to sqawk about his rights being violated. 

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You have to give Joran credit. He found a way to travel extensively without it costing him a dime.
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« Reply #1687 on: June 14, 2010, 01:38:10 PM »

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Even a broken clock...

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« Reply #1688 on: June 14, 2010, 01:39:11 PM »

I have no idea what will be afforded Beth in Peru, but I hope she can speak with authorities there. I hope Peru can become familiar with her story. I believe that they would be motivated to find a way to help her turn things on Joran so that he might tell where Natalee can be found.

I'd love the world to be reminded again of how corrupt the Aruban authorities are as well.
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« Reply #1689 on: June 14, 2010, 01:39:47 PM »

So now that Highest Maximus has stepped away due to problems, does this mean that his request to the courts to throw everything out and start from scratch goes away with him?

I hope not but didn't they report that the initial court-appointed attorney was removed because supposedly they were too tight with the Peruvian police?

I am unsure if there is an attorney that will yield to the demands of the NL and Anita which likely is the true dilemma!

None, I think you are right, there is nobody who will represent them because of their (as you have so correctly put it) sense of entitlement, and maybe even lack of funds, and wanting the NL to pay for his attorney and maybe, just maybe the NL is finished with him and her.
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« Reply #1690 on: June 14, 2010, 01:39:56 PM »

Stephany Flores Family demands life sentence

Edward Alvarez, attorney for the family of Stephany, said new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. Meanwhile, the defense of the Netherlands reported that leave the case.

Flores Stephany's family demand through his lawyer, Edward Alvarez, the penalty of life imprisonment for the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the girl, who since last Friday is being held in a cell of the Miguel Castro personal Castro.

Counsel contended that new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. He argues that the indictment for murder, the foreigner would get a very light sentence and could go free in about eight years.

'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21.

According reflects the average Stephany's family insists that she would have earned about $ 10,000, proceeds from their poker games, but that money was not found in the pickup of the girl or the crime scene.

'If it is established that he committed robbery followed by death, Joran receive life imprisonment. In addition, lack of information on the laptop, which is crucial to know whether or not a message received on the case of Aruba, "he explained.

Alvarez also said he requested the crossing of information from cell phone calls Stephany, and indicated that they will have the testimony of a journalist who followed the Aruba case of American Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance occurred in May 2005 is involved Van der Sloot.

Advocate leave if Van der Sloot

The Dutchman's lawyer, Max Highness Navarro, told El Comercio that will leave the legal defense of the accused for murder.

'Relatives of Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "he said.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-14-familia-de-stephany-flores-exige-cadena-perpetua-para-van-der-sloot-noticia_272154.html
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« Reply #1691 on: June 14, 2010, 01:41:12 PM »

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/490545/2010/06/14/Van-der-Sloots-advocaat-houdt-er-al-weer-mee-op.dhtml

Máximo Altez family is threatened

LIMA - Máximo Altez, the lawyer for the accused of murder in Peru Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, explains the matter very shortly down, because his family "has had many problems and threats." Reported that the Peruvian radio station RPP Monday.

According to the radio station said Altez that in the coming days with the family of Van der Sloot to come to Peru to find a new lawyer.

The family of the late May killed 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores Ramírez, wants a life sentence for Van der Sloot. A lawyer representing the family would come with additional evidence for this claim to justify. The charge is currently premeditated murder, for which the maximum penalty 35 years in Peru cell.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot is suspected Flores on May 30 in his hotel room in the Peruvian capital Lima to the murder. He has told the Peruvian police a confession in which he claims the woman in a fit of rage to have killed. He dwells in a prison in northern Lima pending his trial. (Reuters)

You know, I'm a peace-loving type.  I'm not into death threats in general, let me make that clear.  I have to say though, this guy is no genius.  He's evidently licensed to practice law in Peru, which means he should know something aobut Peruvian culture. 

He's the dimwit that came out with Joran's "self-defense; she hit me first" claim!  I don't have any sympathy for Maximus Highness, threats or not.  Sorry, guy.  You should have known better, that's all.

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« Reply #1692 on: June 14, 2010, 01:41:44 PM »

http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/06/14/whoopi-goldberg-calls-joran-van-der-sloot-a-piece-of-dog-mess/



Hey Whoopi Goldberg, tell us how you really feel. On 'The View' (weekdays, syndicated), Goldberg had harsh words for accused murderer Joran van der Sloot, referring to him as "urine," wishing him "acne in his butt" and saying that she needs to "Lysol" herself after mentioning him.

Midway through Goldberg's rant, Sherri Shepherd says she hopes van der Sloot's capture will give Natalie Holloway's mother some sense of closure, but Goldberg cuts her off.

"She's not going to get it from him," Goldberg said. "He's a piece of dog mess. Let's get off him because I feel like I've got to Lysol myself now."
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« Reply #1693 on: June 14, 2010, 01:42:43 PM »

Stephany Flores Family demands life sentence

Edward Alvarez, attorney for the family of Stephany, said new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. Meanwhile, the defense of the Netherlands reported that leave the case.

Flores Stephany's family demand through his lawyer, Edward Alvarez, the penalty of life imprisonment for the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the girl, who since last Friday is being held in a cell of the Miguel Castro personal Castro.

Counsel contended that new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. He argues that the indictment for murder, the foreigner would get a very light sentence and could go free in about eight years.

'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21.

According reflects the average Stephany's family insists that she would have earned about $ 10,000, proceeds from their poker games, but that money was not found in the pickup of the girl or the crime scene.

'If it is established that he committed robbery followed by death, Joran receive life imprisonment. In addition, lack of information on the laptop, which is crucial to know whether or not a message received on the case of Aruba, "he explained.

Alvarez also said he requested the crossing of information from cell phone calls Stephany, and indicated that they will have the testimony of a journalist who followed the Aruba case of American Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance occurred in May 2005 is involved Van der Sloot.

Advocate leave if Van der Sloot

The Dutchman's lawyer, Max Highness Navarro, told El Comercio that will leave the legal defense of the accused for murder.

'Relatives of Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "he said.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-14-familia-de-stephany-flores-exige-cadena-perpetua-para-van-der-sloot-noticia_272154.html
Natalee's mother can be a witness of the flores for the extortion that proves that this monster only wanted money ?
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« Reply #1694 on: June 14, 2010, 01:43:03 PM »

Joran van der Sloot was described himself as "a snake"

The confessed murderer of Stephany Flores also described as "attractive, agnostic, regular smoking and drinking" on YouTube and other social networks. From him, others said it was "twisted"

Not only the media have written extensively about the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22). So did he used Internet social networking and YouTube.

According to AP, Van der Sloot said in his YouTube page: "If I had to describe myself as an animal would be a snake." Not only that. "I want to be a lion and a lion one day I will," he said.

I LIKE TO DISTURB
In the pages of internet dating, the Dutchman was described as "attractive, agnostic, regular smoker and drinker, who likes to" bother anywhere when I am totally drunk and spent. "

Also people who knew him closely wrote about it. A friend described him as arrogant, he did not believe that someone could do something and not shy.

But not only critics. A cousin said, "is seriously twisted, but with an excuse, (...) I think you need help because something is wrong in his head."

"I HAVE A BUSINESS"
Since last Friday, Van der Sloot is in the Miguel Castro Castro prison. That day he told INPE officials who studied international business and had a business. He was referring to coffee may seem given in Thailand.

In his YouTube page saying instead: "I have a real job but I am a professional poker player."

Also that he had not read many books, but if I had to choose one would be "Ace on the River" by Barry Greenstein, a book about poker.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494849/joran-van-der-sloot-se-calificaba-si-mismo-como-serpiente
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« Reply #1695 on: June 14, 2010, 01:43:25 PM »

Well, Lifesong, it sounds like he saw the light.
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« Reply #1696 on: June 14, 2010, 01:44:44 PM »



jules...to quote look on the right top of the post you want to respond to, where it says quote, click on that.....
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Thanks SunnyinTX and CBB. I hope this worked. Funny how you can see the same things over and over and just learn to ignore it -- every time I read here I must scan over that word "quote", and couldn't find it when I needed it!

I usually take it when a lawyer quits a file that the accused has told the lawyer enough information that the lawyer can no longer represent the client without lying, which would be an ethical breach. I wonder if Joran told him things that make him unable to ethically continue with the defence (by which I mean legal ethics, not ethics in the broader sense of how could one possibly defend Joran). I thought the reference to the lawyer's family could just be an excuse to get off the file -- like when politicians whose behaviour is questioned say they are stepping down to spend more time with some sick family member, but really they've been forced out.
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I also think if a client does things that his attorney has told him not to do, that an attorney will quit the case, and if the Sloots demands of the attorney were beyond what he felt was ethical (my, maybe he does have ethics) that he felt he could no longer represent Joran.  Coupled with the fact that he probably hates what Joran has done and all the above, it just makes sense that Joran is going to have a hard time finding someone to meet his impossible demands.  Check to see if Tacopino is studying for the Peruvian Bar and that might be the key to his defense.  Wink
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« Reply #1697 on: June 14, 2010, 01:45:49 PM »

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/490545/2010/06/14/Van-der-Sloots-advocaat-houdt-er-al-weer-mee-op.dhtml

Máximo Altez family is threatened

LIMA - Máximo Altez, the lawyer for the accused of murder in Peru Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, explains the matter very shortly down, because his family "has had many problems and threats." Reported that the Peruvian radio station RPP Monday.

According to the radio station said Altez that in the coming days with the family of Van der Sloot to come to Peru to find a new lawyer.

The family of the late May killed 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores Ramírez, wants a life sentence for Van der Sloot. A lawyer representing the family would come with additional evidence for this claim to justify. The charge is currently premeditated murder, for which the maximum penalty 35 years in Peru cell.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot is suspected Flores on May 30 in his hotel room in the Peruvian capital Lima to the murder. He has told the Peruvian police a confession in which he claims the woman in a fit of rage to have killed. He dwells in a prison in northern Lima pending his trial. (Reuters)

You know, I'm a peace-loving type.  I'm not into death threats in general, let me make that clear.  I have to say though, this guy is no genius.  He's evidently licensed to practice law in Peru, which means he should know something aobut Peruvian culture. 

He's the dimwit that came out with Joran's "self-defense; she hit me first" claim!  I don't have any sympathy for Maximus Highness, threats or not.  Sorry, guy.  You should have known better, that's all.



He probably consulted with Tacopina.....another rocket scientist...NOT
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« Reply #1698 on: June 14, 2010, 01:46:54 PM »

Joran van der Sloot in pictures

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/7827240/Joran-van-der-Sloot-in-pictures.html
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« Reply #1699 on: June 14, 2010, 01:46:57 PM »

Most peruvians are very traditional people and they have extreme respect for mothers and grandmothers. They will not see Anita as a problem until she starts defending the monster. Most Peruvians don’t know about this woman.
I am corious if Stephany 's father and brother know about all the documentation the monkeys made during the last 5 years.

I love the sense of Family south of our borders.. If Americans have anything to learn from South America it is that sense.. I think a lot of America has lost that or never owned it in the first place.

Anita and her sons do not own it..They simply survive.
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