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« Reply #180 on: June 12, 2010, 04:24:58 PM »

OMG!  Did I just read in the last thread that Shango had a heart attack?  Well, at least part of Shango in the opinion of some of us.
Screw "Shango". If there really was someone with "knowledge" of what "Shango" professed to know -- they are as guilty as Joran. It's been 5 years -- and they have not outed ANYTHING. That is why I have nothing but contempt for those that followed "him". Shango added nothing but 5 years of misery.

I so agree with you, Wreck!!! I've scrolled past more "Shango" than I can possibly count!

Hi Monks...I was gonna catch up before responding...but I had to jump in an say a big fat DITTO!  What a waste of time..I got told off several time by someone who really thought she was the frigging hall moniter......I let it go cause I felt sorry for her..and her little band of followers.....funny thing...I am still here and she isn't.  <wink>
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« Reply #181 on: June 12, 2010, 04:25:01 PM »

Police General Cesar Guardia:

"He gave her a ferocious beating and took the life of a young Peruvian. In doing so he has injured the whole country and he will face justice."


http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joren-van-der-sloot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791&page=2
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« Reply #182 on: June 12, 2010, 04:30:07 PM »

Police General Cesar Guardia:

"He gave her a ferocious beating and took the life of a young Peruvian. In doing so he has injured the whole country and he will face justice."


http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joren-van-der-sloot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791&page=2




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« Reply #183 on: June 12, 2010, 04:31:54 PM »

Oh, wonderful.  The air conditioning personnel have arrived.  Maybe I will have some cooler air soon.  Humidity is very high and it is very hot here.

Tyler I hope your A/C is fixed by now....it's 95 here is MO......without A/C I would be checking into a hotel!!
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« Reply #184 on: June 12, 2010, 04:32:08 PM »

I have never seen any proof of a toxicology report or related drug test out of Chile.
I do not think they did one, they just held onto Joran and dropped his happy ass off at the border.


Neither can I recall any toxicology report.  I DO recall, though, reports that VDS claimed to have been under the influence at the time of the homicide.  Such a claim might well be false.  Under many legal systems, intoxication is considered a mitigating circumstance, lessening a perpetrator's culpability -- and corresponding punishment -- for the commission of an illegal act.  Making such a false claim during the course of his confession would be thoroughly in keeping with VDS' manipulative nature. 

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.


http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439

Misgivings posted this article a few pages back, it's written by Barbie Nadeau who was featured in the Dateline show last night. It seems she's been writing about Joran for several years......

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/joran-van-der-sloots-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=hp:mainpromo2

Anyway, this article states that Joran did not test positive for drugs but I'm no expert in how long marijuana or cocaine stay in your system but I would assume she's done her homework on that?

After van der Sloot was loaded back into the van to be transported to Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, Police General Cesar Guardia told The Daily Beast that most of what the accused murderer had confessed were blatant lies. "His toxicological report shows no signs that he had ingested any kind of drug," Guardia said, countering van der Sloot's perhaps strategic claim that he was high on marijuana when he killed Flores—in Peru, felony crimes committed under the influence of drugs can be treated with leniency in the courts.

He knew that before he told them he was on drugs
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« Reply #185 on: June 12, 2010, 04:32:26 PM »

I sent Rob a text message earlier about the dude who died of a heart attack.. Perhaps he will pop in sometime,.. havn't see a post from him in a few days.. actually its taken forever for me to read and catch up.. I'm sick.. Sad
Still in PJ's.. had to call off work even. 

Thanks Angie!

Get well soon!  (((hugs)))


 You're welcome ~!  TY for the well wishes.. I am tired of huggin the toilet.. 
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« Reply #186 on: June 12, 2010, 04:34:59 PM »

Police General Cesar Guardia:

"He gave her a ferocious beating and took the life of a young Peruvian. In doing so he has injured the whole country and he will face justice."


http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joren-van-der-sloot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791&page=2


I hope it comes out just who Joran is related to. It is bloody obvious that all of the political hype is not simply over a run of the mill Dutch boy turned homicidal maniac.
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« Reply #187 on: June 12, 2010, 04:38:51 PM »

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439


I hope they lost the one that said positive for drugs lol
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« Reply #188 on: June 12, 2010, 04:40:01 PM »

Any of you who have been following Abby
She is safe and on a French fishing boat.


thanks Edward...I heard the news and was very glad......
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« Reply #189 on: June 12, 2010, 04:41:56 PM »

Police General Cesar Guardia:

"He gave her a ferocious beating and took the life of a young Peruvian. In doing so he has injured the whole country and he will face justice."


http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joren-van-der-sloot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791&page=2


I hope it comes out just who Joran is related to. It is bloody obvious that all of the political hype is not simply over a run of the mill Dutch boy turned homicidal maniac.

I read that he destroyed that villa that he rented in Thailand so badly that the landlady went to the
Dutch Embassy and filed a complaint.  His uncle came and paid the money for the repairs.  I wondered
just who the uncle was.
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« Reply #190 on: June 12, 2010, 04:43:22 PM »

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I have zero sympathy for Joran and just a sliver of sympathy for Anita.


I agree with. I may consider a sliver of a sliver of sympathy for Joran if he actually tells the truth (cough) this time and Natalee is brought home.
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« Reply #191 on: June 12, 2010, 04:43:47 PM »

Peru Police Station -

Manolo: I didn` see no report on drogas, did you esey?

Juan: No, I see nothing. Sun-sing baddddddd musta happened.

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« Reply #192 on: June 12, 2010, 04:45:24 PM »

Monkeys,
Do you have the video when Stephany and the monster walk together to the casino's parking lot?

Cecilita, I don't know if someone has responded yet.  I have a screen shot, but haven't found the video yet:

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« Reply #193 on: June 12, 2010, 04:46:11 PM »

Peru Police Station -

Manolo: I didn` see no report on drogas, did you esey?

Juan: No, I see nothing. Sun-sing baddddddd musta happened.




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« Reply #194 on: June 12, 2010, 04:51:27 PM »

Well, maybe that toxicology report just got lost if it would give any mitigating circumstances. 

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Now wouldn't that be a shame if somebody "Paulus-ed" it?

my thoughts exactly.....kinda like evaporating drug test......BTW, ganja can be detected as long as 2 months after one stops using.....
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« Reply #195 on: June 12, 2010, 04:55:18 PM »

In today's Diario, someone from Holland submitted this theory about where Natalee's body may have been hidden.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/mi-opinion-encuanto-e-lugar-unda-natalee-ta-dera/

Papiamentu translation:

my opinion encuanto the lugar where natalee is bury

publication: saturday, 12 june 2010.

categoria: general remitido

make a note by diario: the relato here owing to worde ricibi by one person dutch, residencia at earth frieu. past owing to come is follow the storia by the caso here by quite time, haciendo anotacion, lesando complete documento, y the self owing to saca one teoria on thing the is think, cu kizas owing to socede, y where natalee is bury. at 2008 past owing to even come till aruba before so present her teoria at ministerio publico, because also at autoridad mericano. but till still, the is feel cu neither person owing to haci caso cu her teoria. at present the is trece before daily paper, before so folk self read this y saca they conclusion.
 
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Bon Dia,
The search for Natalee Holloway's body is characterized by an important fact: the blind spot!

Too much Telang and the bizarre and cruel lies of Joran listened and it seems that no one sound, common sense is used.

While there are many complex scenarios were devised, the solution of this mystery is so easy and all those years was her body literally right under your noses.

As I then just after the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries to him and to two detectives in Almere was declared Joran 'confession' a big distraction and Joran and Patrick played under a hat.

Recently, this latter fact confirmed by nota bene Joran himself, but his last real swamp story it was like old times at the biggest hogwash.

During the months of March and April 2008, I had regular telephone contact with the parents of Natalee, especially with Dave Holloway, as he had occupied in the actual searches on Aruba.

When he told me about a nasty smell for about two weeks around the construction site of the Marriott hung, for me this was the reason for further investigation.

I contacted dr.Jantz the "Body Farm" in Knoxville and gave him the necessary information needed for the time when her body was consumed to provide evidence.

I gave him the day and night temperature of Aruba in June, her body weight, which she wore swimsuits, was tucked away somewhere, but not buried!

It's an important, busy person and I am just a nobody, but he gave me the day after its conclusion: about two weeks!

That was my reason to go deeper into this matter to dig and gradually brought more confirmation of my theory.

Ironically, the Joran himself who in his book me two very important clues gave!

Under Section 4 of the overview map of Aruba statement: "The Marriott hotel where Natalee was staying" (!) When everyone knows that she stayed at the Holiday Inn.

And on page 50, chapter "Girlfriends" he calls one Jillian, where he had a half years with dating and that she is the daughter of someone involved in the construction of the Marriott.

Natalee's father wrote about a key found in the car of Deepak, who claimed that his mother, but before that could be verified lost 'n cop the key and then everyone forgot about its existence.

It was as clear to me now like a lump of how the fork in the stem was and why I asked in mid-May 2008 Chief Moss to take action and show it to initiate investigations on the former site of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club.

But what joke my surprise when he claimed that he sent in my email, stating my full theory, with drawings and all, could not open because the show PDF document was!?

Since he was to obtain 's search warrant to show a well-founded story at the court commissioner to knock, and he not therefore had was his proposal to the Marriott to seek voluntarily to cooperate with the investigation.

The same day I had the manager of the Marriott on the line and despite my assurance that the entire viewing exercise utmost discretion would go and show minor damage to the hotel would be caused, he is tough and I got zero on the petition .

My request to Mr. Moss for copies of the drawings were rejected, there was absolutely no understanding and cooperation.

My disappointment was great, but not quickly give up because I decided I was on my way to and vijtien months later I went to Aruba end of August 2009 and went right along with the DOW for photos of the drawings of the Marriott to make.

Diving experience, I got off a perforated eardrum and was therefore ill and only returned to the Netherlands I could calm these drawings and studies on 7 September 2009 I thought for ninety percent sure to know where the body of Natalee was blocked.

Now this sounds pretty arrogant, so let me therefore first the facts show this straight, with my theory and then you can decide for yourself whether this really holds water or whether I'm a big dreamer.
 
FACTS

Joran suffered from behavioral problems (tantrums, steal, drink and gambling) and walked them to show a psychiatrist.

He had a site up promoting violence and rape, which incidentally just after the disappearance of Natalee was quickly removed.

When Joran and Natalee were deposited after that nobody has seen together, which is weird because for 's festival in the early hours, there were more people present than usual on the beach.

The radar that night has no maritime activity.

Joran has neither the police nor the ambulance was called.

He'd just after her disappearance scratches on his face.

His shoes had disappeared.

When he came home early in the morning he visited here still show a porn site, despite the fact that he was the same day 's exam was.

All designated by Joran denied complicity in all keys.

 Joran was 1.5 years courting the daughter of someone who was involved in the construction of the Marriott.

There was a key found in Deepak's car, but was subsequently lost.

Shortly after her disappearance appeared on the site of "Scared Monkeys" messages from one Shango, with all sorts of cryptic text and one of them was:
"Why did not His Lordship bring the key found in the car"

There was over two weeks' n nasty smell around the site of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club.

There was never sought because at night 's lock on the gate Sat

Dave Holloway told me that one day "short-cut was between the parking lot of the Marriott and the Holiday Inn.
 
Joran says in the "secret" recording of Peter R. de Vries, two remarkable things:

 "If they find her, I am the dick" what even bevreemt Patrick, because he responds by saying:

"She's totally gone" and indeed, the sea knew much, if not all traces of his tail and later stoned to himself and he says:

"They will never find her ... ... .... I think"

He has his own dog 'n' paint ballgun "finished.

By the time Marriott were many dog carcasses found.
 
Without help anyone can show up to two hundred meters fresh corpse hoot.

Despite intensive searches at sea with sonar on land with dogs and prods in the caves, lime kilns, draining of lakes and aerial photos of F-16 remained untraceable Natalee all these years.
 
As the show befits good detective, I also speculation and I moved into the position of Joran.
 
Here then is what my theory that night on May 30, 2005 has played:
 
Joran has his eye on Natalee drop, but it's not the standard adolescent who love butterflies in his belly.

No, he's not really the battle that can maintain normal contact with women and is only out for sex and in fact he can not a girl decorate, because most of the feeling that he was not entirely consistent.

He and Natalee in Carlos'n Charlie's agreed and slowly puts her drunk so that they later, when he gets the chance to pounce, is not on her guard.
 
Around closing time ran Carlos'n Charlie's empty, and searched all transportation to their hotels.

Joran Natalee separated from her group and suggested a taxi.

Because taxis in Aruba are all different in appearance, it was a cinch to her in the back of Deepak get.

They drove to the California Lighthouse, Natalee wanted to see sharks, but they stopped for no reason and eventually they returned and were guests of the Marriott Joran and Natalee off.

Joran suggested 'n' short-cut to take, walked to the fence around the site and open it. ... With my key (!)

Their right is the Marriott Aruba Surf Club Phase 3, in terms of structure is finished and only needs to be finished and left, a row of containers.

Joran suggests that stars and look at Natalee's remark that there is already a roof on the hotel is right, then he points to show a small building at the very end of the site.

If your building plan of the hotel on Google Earth satellite image of June 22, 2005 submit, you will find that this building is the start of the emergency stairwell # 3 of "The Spyglass Tower".

They run inside, climb on the landing, go through the stairs to the first floor and steps in a "half" room, which later the space behind the elevators would be.

They go on the floor and stare together in love to the beautiful sky and everything is nice and peaceful.

But the true nature of man is only then upwards when there are no witnesses, because there is nothing from that horrible change, it's a beast, because suddenly brutally raped Natalee and Joran then breaks her neck!

He then takes her in his arms and running down the stairs and puts her on the landing.

He jumps down, pulls her into the hallway and grabbed a fire with a twist smacks her on the ground.

Then he pushes the sand to crawl away and he pulls Natalee at her feet inside.

He crawls to the end of the room and stuffed with sand near the crack.

His shoes, where blood is, he kicks off and leaves behind this spot.

He squeezes out again and again, he then closed the gap with sand and will then smiling, barefoot into the night.
 
I have this information to the Diario passed, because I just think that the Aruban entitled to it!

By sick minds that Joran and eight actual boycott then, thanks for all your help, the whole island which is unnecessary and unjustified much damage.
 
By among other things because I not taken seriously and they offered my services and knowledge not appreciate, I hereby the Aruban people judge the credibility of my theory.
Hopefully this tip with this black chapter is finally closed and Aruba One Happy Island weather really!
    
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #196 on: June 12, 2010, 04:57:23 PM »

Did we ever find out who CAPSLOCKWIZARD was?

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From: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
To: daveholloway@xxxxxx
Subject: RE: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:18:15 -0500

Hi Dave,

<snipped>

About Me:
Name: Rudolf H. Vrolijk
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Email: ((edit - personal email addy))
Email: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
Phone:  297-746-7000

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« Reply #197 on: June 12, 2010, 05:00:20 PM »

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« Reply #198 on: June 12, 2010, 05:00:56 PM »

Texasmom..
Too Much to repost...lol

When he told me about a nasty smell for about two weeks around the construction site of the Marriott

Does everyone remember this ?? It is one of the most important part of searching for a dead body.
The sense of smell.

I was under the impression that Searchers looked into this.
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« Reply #199 on: June 12, 2010, 05:04:55 PM »

Joran van der Sloot very much loved by fellow inmates.

http://www.indedelta.nl/?p=572
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