Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[cece]

Anita is still trying to call Joran.  Authorities in Aurba have been unsuccessful as well.

[klaasend]

Maybe they ought to let that hitman next door to him ask him where to find Natalee's remains.

Perfect!

[BUCKSHOT]

Everyone has always wanted to beat the truth out of Joran...

A Peruvian inmate can probably make our collective wishes come true...

Unless, Aruba pays to have him silenced/killed before this occurs.

[klaasend]

Anita is still trying to call Joran.  Authorities in Aurba have been unsuccessful as well.

hahahahahah

I may have to play around with this one, LOL

[carpe noctem]

He wasn`t making boop-bee-turkey selling samiches in Thailand!!!

George Anthony did better in the car business than this guy... and he went flat
azz bankrupt. lol

I was born at night - but not last night. C`mon man.

[Northern Rose]

Fourth Court to assume Prison Inmates in Dutchman process

Judge Cordova Carlos Morales, head of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, assumed the leadership of this criminal investigation.

The criminal proceedings the citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands, for the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez on 30 May, will be presided by Judge Carlos Morales Cordova, RPP reported.

The owner of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, took over the leadership of the judicial inquiry that is home to the citizen for the alleged crimes of aggravated homicide and simple theft.

In the coming days, the judge Morales Cordova will be programming a series of steps in this process, including the date on which Van der Sloot must make a preliminary statement in the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro, where he remains in detention.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-14-cuarto-juzgado-para-reos-en-carcel-asumira-proceso-de-holandes-noticia_272313.html

[Shan1628]

Maybe they ought to let that hitman next door to him ask him where to find Natalee's remains.

I'd say let the Peruvian's interrogate him regarding Natalee.  They had him in custody for 2 days and got a confession, whereas Aruba is still Pi$$in' around with their tails between their legs.  Water boarding, anyone??!!!! 

[carpe noctem]

Anita is still trying to call Joran.  Authorities in Aurba have been unsuccessful as well.

LOL!

[cece]

Anita is still trying to call Joran.  Authorities in Aurba have been unsuccessful as well.

hahahahahah

I may have to play around with this one, LOL

I look forward to it

[Buckeye]

JE

ORIGINS of DELICIOUS SPORTER

As requested: http://www.bndestem.nl/binnenland/article213298.ece

Rough translation (by Iquitos at FOB) with assistance from babelfish. Still needs work.
' Joran is a delicious boy ' by Floor Ligtvoet
Thursday 30 March 2006 -

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=397.msg56832#msg56832


Attorney Altez Navarro is not afraid of threats.  He's a defense attorney from Miami.  I am sure the retainer never came.

The "friend" with the balcony and green truck was Andre Dos Santos.

I would bet that Aline Hubert? is the diary author.  She was kicked out of BaHa bar with Joran because she wouldn't keep her mouth off his pecker.

[Northern Rose]

Authorities Will Not Hand Van Der Sloot Over To Aruba

As the investigation into the murder of 21 year-old Stephany Flores’ develops, many are wondering how the arrest and confession of Joran van der Sloot will affect the five year old case of Natalee Holloway. Holloway, of course, was the American student who went missing in Aruba while van der Sloot was the main suspect. Van der Sloot is now claiming (as he had before but never actually done) that he will lead Aruban investigators to Holloway’s body if the Peruvian authorities let him. This morning, Mediaite founder and NBC’s chief legal analyst Dan Abrams appeared on the Today Show to explain why the Peruvians will never agree to that.
At the top of the segment, Abrams and Natalie Morales discussed how open and shut the Flores case seemed to be. Abrams pointed out, as he did during his last appearance on the subject, that the video evidence showing van der Sloot and Flores entering the hotel room together and later showing him leaving alone shortly before her body was discovered inside is the most important evidence that the prosecution has. This evidence, Abrams says, is more damning than DNA or the confession and, because of it, van der Sloot’s attorneys will probably be looking to reduce his inevitable sentence more than win the coming trial.

Morales then brought up the possibility that the Peruvian police would let van der Sloot, as he’s requested, travel to Aruba to locate Holloway’s body. Abrams stated that that’s just not going to happen.

“They have one of their citizens who’s been murdered. They are not going to just let him go to Aruba to possibly help solve some other crime in Aruba. They’re going to try him first in Peru.”

Morales pointed out that the Arubans, thus far, haven’t even been able to contact the Peruvians. Abrams said that he was sure to change shortly.

“I would think that in a case this high profile, where the world is watching, they’ll start returning some phone calls. The Peruvians are going to start returning the Arubans phone calls but it’s going to almost be a diplomatic effort. It’s going to be basically to say, ‘We hear you. We’re going to try and get information for you. We’ll pass along anything that we get.’ But the one thing they’re not going to pass along, is Joran van der Sloot.”

If van der Sloot’s plea to go to Aruba is just, as Abrams believes, a clever attempt to stay out of a Peruvian prison as long as possible, it looks like he’s going to need a new strategy.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dan-abrams-on-today-peruvian-authorities-will-not-hand-van-der-sloot-over-to-aruba/

[darleenofalabama]

One of the biggest problems with the Aruban government is that they just don't understand the justice system, or the concept of justice.

[BUCKSHOT]

If Beth REALLY is going to Peru, as others have suggested...

I could see a reason as being to meet/console/share information with the Flores family.

Beth has a kind heart and has endured alot. Might be a nice shoulder to cry on for both families.

She did what any parent would do, if faced with the same situation, back in 2005.
She high-tailed to Aruba and demanded answers on the whereabouts of her missing daughter.
She, and her family, practically solved the case and dropped it in their laps within the first 48 hours.
Then, unknown to her, law enforcement and government went out of their way to unsolve/sabotage the case.
All they ever wanted was the dignity and respect to bury their (deceased) loving daughter.
Quoting Paul Reynolds, who put it best, "The effort was supurb. Unfortunately, the game was fixed."
Aruba made this poor grieving mother go on international TV and apologize to the three suspects.
It makes as much sense today as it did when they (all but) forced her to do so back then. Unbelievable.

[Buckeye]

JE

ORIGINS of DELICIOUS SPORTER

As requested: http://www.bndestem.nl/binnenland/article213298.ece

Rough translation (by Iquitos at FOB) with assistance from babelfish. Still needs work.
' Joran is a delicious boy ' by Floor Ligtvoet
Thursday 30 March 2006 -

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=397.msg56832#msg56832


Attorney Altez Navarro is not afraid of threats.  He's a defense attorney from Miami.  I am sure the retainer never came.

The "friend" with the balcony and green truck was Andre Dos Santos.

I would bet that Aline Hubert? is the diary author.  She was kicked out of BaHa bar with Joran because she wouldn't keep her mouth off his pecker.

As requested: http://www.bndestem.nl/binnenland/article213298.ece

Rough translation (by Iquitos at FOB) with assistance from babelfish. Still needs work.
' Joran is a delicious boy ' by Floor Ligtvoet
Thursday 30 March 2006 -

For many Americans Joran Van der Sloot is guilty, no doubt about it. He was the last to see Natalee Holloway in Aruba before she disappeared without a trace and is thus considered to have assassinated her. He is big news for the American television broadcasters, but who is Joran really? From what kind of nest does he come? - Portrait of a rebellious adolescent who plays fast and loose with the truth. "Wanna have a good time?" a small, bloated Aruban with a yellow cap roars into the microphone. Around him on the dance floor, five hundred slightly high young people let it all hang out. Most come from America. It is ten at night and the peak time to be amused in the popular bar Carlos n Charlie's in Oranjestad that is synonymous with drink games. Super fast five little girls in summery skirts and very thin shirts are lifted up on the podium. They get tequila shots and mugs of beer handed to them. .Then they must wiggle their ass twice to get the next beer and tequila shot. Soon the first little girl starts to totter. The public crows with pleasure. Out of this bar the previous year Joran led the Alabama blonde Natalee Holloway. Now the American is already missed almost year. Joran is the last known to see her. For this reason the police force considers him as a chief suspect in her disappearance. Joran did not improve matters for himself by lying to the police force. After some flirting at Carlos n Charlie's and necking in the car, he explained, he brought Natalee back to her to hotel. Instead he left the little girl alone on the beach, he later admitted. The American media jumped on an all out hunt for Joran. Weekly photographs and old video of the Dutchman filled the American news shows. He is called a liar, a rapist, and an assassin. Joran's possible involvement in Natalee's disappearance proves to be a ratings hit. In one go the seventeen-year-old adolescent is world-famous. Who he is and from what kind of a nest he comes, is well known. Still for Anita van der Sloot, Joran’s mother, in the family house in the rural district of Noord where the dog smells the visitor before the gate opens. "Quiet", Anita quiets the loudly barking dog, "It is OK." The small blonde woman enters to a large dining table to sit. She is really not in the mood to talk. The family has already had so much crap poured out about them. But the flow of rumors concerning Joran does not stop. A day earlier a high-level police source whispered anonymously, that joran had been treated for lying. Nonsense, asserts Anita firmly. Her son has undergone only counseling to improve his study habits. Jorans father, former judge in training Paul van der sloot arrives after a long workday. Tired, he gives a deep sigh: "Joran lies no more than every other adolescent." Paul wants rest at home. The family has the last year stood under enormous pressure, he complains. Their oldest, Joran, is surely not an angel. Every detail from his personal life is entirely taken out of context. "We must refer to the disappearance not the murder." He talks gently and in a controlled way concerning his child, but Anita excites herself concerning the bad tales that circulate on the island. Joran gambling - and sex-addicted? He is simply a delicious youth! A delicious adolescent, who lives for friends, sport, and family. Oké, he has adolescent traits. Not always sticks to his appointments. If he is supposed to be home at one at night her turns off his cell so his parents can't call him. If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses. They don't have to worry, he is home now. Anita is enraged that her son is accused of rape. "He was in fact very loving with his girlfriends" Joran had always many little girls around him but the contact was frequently only friendly, she says. "They went with each other for as a brother and sisters" Paul wants to show Joran's room. However., friends, both little girls and boys, could always spend the night he says as he crosses the garden to the outbuilding. Since he was 15 Joran had here, beside the swimming pool and at a reasonable distance of the parental house, his own bedroom and bathroom. Paul opens the door carefully. "Look, here slept four or five during the sleepovers. It was always completely normal. On Aruba it is normal to sleep over at someone else's place. Minors are on the island entirely dependent on parents or friends with a driver’s license pick up and bring them. During a conversation in Arnhem Joran says he was always super-glad have his own room. “The privacy was very fine, especially if there were friends." Of course he had also ordinary friendships with girls, says he as he hears his parents reaction. "One girlfriend slept ten times in my bed without ever something happening between us." Attraction must come, as it happens, however, from two sides, finds he. If that is the case, however, he does not see, honestly said, the problem. Joran was already from age 14 having sex with girls. Also American. "On the island there lives a little the feeling that they are easy. There are guys who go to the beach to hook up with them. He has done that himself "but” he emphasizes, "I have always treated them with respect." So if the girl does not want sex, then OK, its back to the hotel." It should have been that way with Natalee but she wanted to stay on the beach, he says. Thus he left her behind. Joran has always affirmed he did not have sex that fatal night with natalee because he that evening had no condoms on him. Typical Joran, says Aruban Melody Granadillo (19). The little girl with long dark brown rolling curls is his ex-girlfriend. In their eight month long relationship they always used condoms. "He is completely clear on this." The Dutchman was her first love. For months on end they spent every day with each other. Taking a mouthful of ice, she gestures to the green Wilhelminapark bordering the sea. There they could sit interminably and talk. I know him better than he knows himself. Joran is playful, in his heart a child. A possible assassin? No, that never. Joran is often misunderstood she observes. Take his openness: "people take it as flirting." His friends also found him arrogant. That is not him according to her. He is only self-assured. Walks straight up, head high. Eventually Melody broke the relation because Joran was unfaithful. Magda, administrator of the Aruba Racquet club, shrugs her shoulders. That is the mentality here. If it clicks with someone, it happens simply, even if you already have a girlfriend. Aruba seems like a village where, via-via, everyone knows everyone. Every week a new cargo of anonymous tourists arrives at Reina Beatrix field that want celebrate only. For numerous young, sexy American girls Aruba is the party island is where they forget their sores. As long as the holiday lasts, the world of drink games and flirts is the reality. Local boys, such as Joran, have this party culture available seven days per week. Seduction always lies in wait. On the gravel fields of the Raquet club boys beat their tennis balls rock-hard over the net. For Joran the tennis association, where mainly Dutch come, was a second home. After school he spent much of his time playing soccer, tennis and swimming. He was a spontaneous, nice kid, says Magda. "Although he could be quite obstinate and tenacious." She is reminded what Jordan’s friend thought. The restrained themselves with Joran when they were tired of arguments. Joran is a good talker, dominates nearly nearly everyone, ' but also slicks', laugh Melody. That is my strength, Joran knows. Talking "I frequently get what I want done." Convincing debate is what I learned at the International School, according to his mother. Joran applied that art also at home, and with impact. He wanted once to go to the casino, but his father was then opposed. There rose spicy arguments, after which Paulus accompanied his son to the casino and eventually brought he him weekly to free poker tournaments (a game which is not played with money) in many casinos At all hours of the day Arubans in the casino run money through the many fruit machines (slots). Tourists play especially blackjack - or poker tables. Joran’s father thinks initially that his son does not participate in the poker tournaments for the gambling but for the pizza they served during the breaks. You can then eat for free all you want. Joran started staying and coming home with a friend. Then he could stay away at llonger, and really gamble. His father later realizes this and is bewildered. "I had no idea that Joran gambled also in the real casino." His parents try constantly to find a balance in raising their children, they say. "I am perhaps something stricter than Paul", says Anita, "but as Paul and I both say ' no' and the children come with good arguments, then they know that we are open for a solution." Joran is proud of that. “My parents try to see everything also from our side. I have always found that good of them.“

[BUCKSHOT]

Anita is still trying to call Joran.  Authorities in Aurba have been unsuccessful as well.

I loved your pic, cece.

Someone, at the very least, needs to write "Anita" somewhere within that picture.

The other two pictures that I love are: (a) Anita doing karate kick, (b) Peruvian policeman with smile on face.
They are both priceless photos.

[cece]

JE

ORIGINS of DELICIOUS SPORTER

As requested: http://www.bndestem.nl/binnenland/article213298.ece

Rough translation (by Iquitos at FOB) with assistance from babelfish. Still needs work.
' Joran is a delicious boy ' by Floor Ligtvoet
Thursday 30 March 2006 -

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=397.msg56832#msg56832


Attorney Altez Navarro is not afraid of threats.  He's a defense attorney from Miami.  I am sure the retainer never came.

The "friend" with the balcony and green truck was Andre Dos Santos.

I would bet that Aline Hubert? is the diary author.  She was kicked out of BaHa bar with Joran because she wouldn't keep her mouth off his pecker.

Thank you Buckeye!

[Buckeye]

Authorities Will Not Hand Van Der Sloot Over To Aruba

As the investigation into the murder of 21 year-old Stephany Flores’ develops, many are wondering how the arrest and confession of Joran van der Sloot will affect the five year old case of Natalee Holloway. Holloway, of course, was the American student who went missing in Aruba while van der Sloot was the main suspect. Van der Sloot is now claiming (as he had before but never actually done) that he will lead Aruban investigators to Holloway’s body if the Peruvian authorities let him. This morning, Mediaite founder and NBC’s chief legal analyst Dan Abrams appeared on the Today Show to explain why the Peruvians will never agree to that.
At the top of the segment, Abrams and Natalie Morales discussed how open and shut the Flores case seemed to be. Abrams pointed out, as he did during his last appearance on the subject, that the video evidence showing van der Sloot and Flores entering the hotel room together and later showing him leaving alone shortly before her body was discovered inside is the most important evidence that the prosecution has. This evidence, Abrams says, is more damning than DNA or the confession and, because of it, van der Sloot’s attorneys will probably be looking to reduce his inevitable sentence more than win the coming trial.

Morales then brought up the possibility that the Peruvian police would let van der Sloot, as he’s requested, travel to Aruba to locate Holloway’s body. Abrams stated that that’s just not going to happen.

“They have one of their citizens who’s been murdered. They are not going to just let him go to Aruba to possibly help solve some other crime in Aruba. They’re going to try him first in Peru.”

Morales pointed out that the Arubans, thus far, haven’t even been able to contact the Peruvians. Abrams said that he was sure to change shortly.

“I would think that in a case this high profile, where the world is watching, they’ll start returning some phone calls. The Peruvians are going to start returning the Arubans phone calls but it’s going to almost be a diplomatic effort. It’s going to be basically to say, ‘We hear you. We’re going to try and get information for you. We’ll pass along anything that we get.’ But the one thing they’re not going to pass along, is Joran van der Sloot.”

If van der Sloot’s plea to go to Aruba is just, as Abrams believes, a clever attempt to stay out of a Peruvian prison as long as possible, it looks like he’s going to need a new strategy.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dan-abrams-on-today-peruvian-authorities-will-not-hand-van-der-sloot-over-to-aruba/

Well, Aruba wanted Joran to be called a Dutchman and to leave Aruba out of it.  My guess is that Peru is communicating with the Dutch Embassy.

[Gypsy DD]

Fourth Court to assume Prison Inmates in Dutchman process

Judge Cordova Carlos Morales, head of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, assumed the leadership of this criminal investigation.

The criminal proceedings the citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands, for the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez on 30 May, will be presided by Judge Carlos Morales Cordova, RPP reported.

The owner of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, took over the leadership of the judicial inquiry that is home to the citizen for the alleged crimes of aggravated homicide and simple theft.

In the coming days, the judge Morales Cordova will be programming a series of steps in this process, including the date on which Van der Sloot must make a preliminary statement in the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro, where he remains in detention.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-14-cuarto-juzgado-para-reos-en-carcel-asumira-proceso-de-holandes-noticia_272313.html

Wonderful.  Sounds like he is the one to make Nextell speed up the phone records release and to okay a warrant to search JVDS  computer.

[Magnolia]

He wasn`t making boop-bee-turkey selling samiches in Thailand!!!

George Anthony did better in the car business than this guy... and he went flat
azz bankrupt. lol

I was born at night - but not last night. C`mon man.

He sold his Samich Shop in Thailand in February for $12,000 .  He ain't got no Samich Shop.  He lies!!!!

[texasmom]

TM - If you are reading, what do you make of this? I don't know what hogamento is?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=3710&offId=0

POSIBEL CASO DI HOGAMENTO NA COLONY, NOS LO SIGUI INFORMA

It was a 43 year old tourist that drowned today in Aruba, she was there with her husband and two children.  They were staying at the Marriott.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/18672-posibel-caso-di-hogamento-na-baby-beach.html

tourist is hoga at baby beach

monday, 14 june 2010 15:21

at the momentonan here we owing to come to anend by ricibi informe cu evictìma iche liu huang nasi at taiwan 20 december 1966 kedando at marriot hotel owing to fayece. dr woy loy sing come across.a constata dead 4or y 12 owing to cause by hogamento. slachtofferhulp is yudando the famianan. the was companja before her husband y two yiunan. paz at her restonan.