Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[klaasend]

Geraldo is back on the case. Showing a rerun of Mark Furhman's room inspection at the hotel.

Now live. Mark's funny. He says "YourHan". LOL! Geraldo points out that Joran took her money and car and that's robbery with murder and that equals life sentence.

Mark said Joran is attempting to portray the murder as a hotblood murder to mitigate his sentence. (Silly boy. Like it matters. He thinks he's going to live long enough to serve any sentence? Yeah right!)

Ha Ha..A hot blood murder in Peru is when your women is found in bed with another man.Juran it does not include that a woman you met a day or two ago  has her monthly period, is gay and a better poker player then you.

Why would you say she is gay?

According to her family and friends she was openly gay/lesbian

[Gypsy DD]

Geraldo is back on the case. Showing a rerun of Mark Furhman's room inspection at the hotel.

Now live. Mark's funny. He says "YourHan". LOL! Geraldo points out that Joran took her money and car and that's robbery with murder and that equals life sentence.

Mark said Joran is attempting to portray the murder as a hotblood murder to mitigate his sentence. (Silly boy. Like it matters. He thinks he's going to live long enough to serve any sentence? Yeah right!)

Ha Ha..A hot blood murder in Peru is when your women is found in bed with another man.Juran it does not include that a woman you met a day or two ago  has her monthly period, is gay and a better poker player then you.

Why would you say she is gay?

Because that is what has been reported from the start.  Not to make fun of her or anything like that..just that Joran and any sex claims would be wrong in this instance.

[klaasend]

OT earthquake here, wonder the epicenter. Didn't seem too bad here.

We felt it in San Diego East county....1st lasted 2,3 seconds, and another followed 3,4 seconds later and lasted 1, 2 seconds.
4.8 magnitude 10 miles north of Borrego Springs, 62 miles NE of San Diego.....

Now I see it
21 minutes ago        4.8        Southern California       Map

I still didn't feel a thing

[Shell]

Geraldo is back on the case. Showing a rerun of Mark Furhman's room inspection at the hotel.

Now live. Mark's funny. He says "YourHan". LOL! Geraldo points out that Joran took her money and car and that's robbery with murder and that equals life sentence.

Mark said Joran is attempting to portray the murder as a hotblood murder to mitigate his sentence. (Silly boy. Like it matters. He thinks he's going to live long enough to serve any sentence? Yeah right!)

Ha Ha..A hot blood murder in Peru is when your women is found in bed with another man.Juran it does not include that a woman you met a day or two ago  has her monthly period, is gay and a better poker player then you.

Why would you say she is gay?

Hi Shell! There have been numerous reports she was. I beleive there was even a comment from her girlfriend.

ok

[crazybabyborg]

Well, the whole world knows Joran is a homicidal maniac now so Aruba can give up the cherade that there was no evidence, etc.

What do they gain from withholding remains at this late date? 

The Peruvians have already made them look utterly incompetent and corrupt.  If they truly don't want Joran back, why would they not give back the remains?  Will van der Straaten not tell them where they are or what?

.

If Arlene had said "You don't understand our actions," rather than "You don't understand our justice system," I would agree with her. Even if you follow the logic that Aruba wanted to 1. set Joran free, and 2. make the case go away, they've done it all wrong!

They've kept the fire burnings by villifying Beth, and keeping Natalee's body away from her family. They need to rename the island FUBAR!

[Shell]

OT earthquake here, wonder the epicenter. Didn't seem too bad here.

We felt it in San Diego East county....1st lasted 2,3 seconds, and another followed 3,4 seconds later and lasted 1, 2 seconds.
4.8 magnitude 10 miles north of Borrego Springs, 62 miles NE of San Diego.....

Now I see it
21 minutes ago        4.8        Southern California       Map

I still didn't feel a thing

It was one of those rolling ones..you missed out! hehe

[Port Valerie]

Small oddity. Richard Gere, Anita's dreamboat, was originally slated to play the prisoner William Hayes, the 1978 version of Joran, in the movie "Midnight Express." Gere dropped out and another actor, Brad Davis, played the role.

[crazybabyborg]

Oh, LOL! That's going to stick in my mind................

FUBARUBA!  <monkey jumping jacks!>

[Lifesong]

Food for thought:
What if Joran proclaims Natalee was in the crab trap????????? How does Aruba respond?????????

You know, Wreck, that's almost the only place I don't want to let my thoughts go.

IF that was Natalee in that trap, which of course I do not know for sure but think is quite possible, where did they take her?  What did they do with her remains?  I've long feared that since that day - January 7, 2008 - she is no longer recoverable.  I pray that's not the truth.

In a plea deal with Peruvian authorities ... a plea deal that would allow Joran to return to the Netherlands to serve his sentence ... maybe Aruba will plant Natalee's remains ... remains which may have been recovered unchallenged by Aruban divers on January 7, 2008.

Just speculating.

Janet

I'm just speculating too, Janet. 

I want Natalee back and just so long as they've kept her, it can happen.  (Geez...horrible thoughts, I'm sorry.)

I really wish I could say that getting Natalee back and Joran in jail (where ever) would be enough, but I can't.  I want van der Straaten, Richardson, Jenssen, et. al. to pay for what they've done.  I want the corruption exposed and cleaned up.  That, I'm afraid I won't live long enough to see.

I do hope that urine had something on his laptop that may expose aruba authorities....maybe he had something he was planning on using to extort someone later?
Just hope there is something on the laptop.....

Me too billb, me too! 

[Shell]

I was just thinking about how Mr. Flores knew his daughter must have been drugged because of her manner of walking and the way she carried her body was and her head hanging down as if not in control. I remember someone in the Mountainbrook group saying Natalee didn't seem like herself.

I would like to know if J got anywhere near Stephany's drink at the casino (which could be possible seen on a security camera), or did he slip it into a coke after they were in her car?

[Shell]

Oh, LOL! That's going to stick in my mind................

FUBARUBA!  <monkey jumping jacks!>

I kinda like FUARUBA better *grin

[Shell]

Geraldo is back on the case. Showing a rerun of Mark Furhman's room inspection at the hotel.

Now live. Mark's funny. He says "YourHan". LOL! Geraldo points out that Joran took her money and car and that's robbery with murder and that equals life sentence.

Mark said Joran is attempting to portray the murder as a hotblood murder to mitigate his sentence. (Silly boy. Like it matters. He thinks he's going to live long enough to serve any sentence? Yeah right!)

Ha Ha..A hot blood murder in Peru is when your women is found in bed with another man.Juran it does not include that a woman you met a day or two ago  has her monthly period, is gay and a better poker player then you.

Why would you say she is gay?

Because that is what has been reported from the start.  Not to make fun of her or anything like that..just that Joran and any sex claims would be wrong in this instance.

Unless she came out and told him, how was he to know? I still suspect there is a sexual aspect to his behavior/crime.

[cw618]

Quote from: Anna on June 12, 2010, 11:32:32 PM
Well, the whole world knows Joran is a homicidal maniac now so Aruba can give up the cherade that there was no evidence, etc.

What do they gain from withholding remains at this late date? 

The Peruvians have already made them look utterly incompetent and corrupt.  If they truly don't want Joran back, why would they not give back the remains?  Will van der Straaten not tell them where they are or what?

ive always thought, that any give on Natalee, would expose all the past corruption
of arubas officials, all the way down to the parking meter attendant,and the netherlands, would have to do something about aruba, then they would lose $$$$
on taxes ect.
A.kickbacks
B.prostitution
C. drugs
D. ect./for all the above

[billb's daughter]

I was just thinking about how Mr. Flores knew his daughter must have been drugged because of her manner of walking and the way she carried her body was and her head hanging down as if not in control. I remember someone in the Mountainbrook group saying Natalee didn't seem like herself.

I would like to know if J got anywhere near Stephany's drink at the casino (which could be possible seen on a security camera), or did he slip it into a coke after they were in her car?

I wonder about that too Shell....
I don't know if the police said who drove from the casino to urine hostel.....but I would guess Stephany.
And I read here about 37 minutes timeline for drugs to take effect, but didn't pay enough attention.....
The video of her following urine through the lobby and into his room convinces me she was drugged by then......

[crazybabyborg]

Oh, LOL! That's going to stick in my mind................

FUBARUBA!  <monkey jumping jacks!>

I kinda like FUARUBA better *grin

Yep, that works, Shell! LOL!

We were having some billing problems at the office and our LCSW had to submit her claims multiple times. She's very opinionated and was getting frustrated. Her last batch came in with "FUBAR" written on the cover sheet. I had to look it up! LOL!

[Anna]

I was just thinking about how Mr. Flores knew his daughter must have been drugged because of her manner of walking and the way she carried her body was and her head hanging down as if not in control. I remember someone in the Mountainbrook group saying Natalee didn't seem like herself.

I would like to know if J got anywhere near Stephany's drink at the casino (which could be possible seen on a security camera), or did he slip it into a coke after they were in her car?

Shell, I have thought the same thing seeing the tape of Stephany.  I believe it was Alana Jordan who said Natalee seemed very tired.  OK, but not talking much.  Walking but not as animated as usual.  Just like Stephany is seem doing going into the hotel.

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[crazybabyborg]

Stephany was found wearing panties only from the waist down. That has to mean, IMO, that there was a rape/sex attempt by Joran or he removed her pants to make it look like an attempted rape by someone else.

[Shell]

Oh, LOL! That's going to stick in my mind................

FUBARUBA!  <monkey jumping jacks!>

I kinda like FUARUBA better *grin

Yep, that works, Shell! LOL!

We were having some billing problems at the office and our LCSW had to submit her claims multiple times. She's very opinionated and was getting frustrated. Her last batch came in with "FUBAR" written on the cover sheet. I had to look it up! LOL!

I looked it up just now lol Well slap my knee, ya learn something new every day!

[cw618]

Why would you say she is gay?
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Because that is what has been reported from the start.  Not to make fun of her or anything like that..just that Joran and any sex claims would be wrong in this instance.
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Unless she came out and told him, how was he to know? I still suspect there is a sexual aspect to his behavior/crime.

maybe J saw her, with her GF, when he first met her, and  thought she would be an easier target for robbery,and it went bad, you never know with J
only thing for sure with J is he is a liar

[Shell]

I imagine there are a lot of people on that island sweating and losing sleep that Joran, for once, might tell the truth.

They might send someone over to hear his story but they will toss the report in the nearest trash. Too many reputations at stake, even worse for their tourism if the truth comes out. (In my opinion)