Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[cecilita]

I was just thinking about how Mr. Flores knew his daughter must have been drugged because of her manner of walking and the way she carried her body was and her head hanging down as if not in control. I remember someone in the Mountainbrook group saying Natalee didn't seem like herself.

I would like to know if J got anywhere near Stephany's drink at the casino (which could be possible seen on a security camera), or did he slip it into a coke after they were in her car?

I wonder about that too Shell....
I don't know if the police said who drove from the casino to urine hostel.....but I would guess Stephany.
And I read here about 37 minutes timeline for drugs to take effect, but didn't pay enough attention.....
The video of her following urine through the lobby and into his room convinces me she was drugged by then......

she walks the same when she leaves the casino(video when she left the table and goes to cash her ships)

[billb's daughter]

Stephany was found wearing panties only from the waist down. That has to mean, IMO, that there was a rape/sex attempt by Joran or he removed her pants to make it look like an attempted rape by someone else.

I think Stephany was probably out of it (drugged) by the time she got in the room, and passed out soon. Didn't urine say during initial interrogations that he was masturbating at some point? (I'm sure to cover up something) He probably removed her pants and that may be when she tried to fight back...he killed her....I don't believe Stephany ever saw anything on his laptop.....That was a made up story by urine to say it was a moment of anger....not pre-meditated.....His motive was always robbery and probably rape....

[carpe noctem]

SOME MORE BACKGROUND:

5:15 am - Joran Stephany walk into room.



5:15 am - 8:00 am - Unaccounted for


8:00 - 8:20  Autopsy estimated time window of murder of Stephany Flores   * peter r. devries



Joran`s Police Statement - translated

Joran says -


When they were in the room Van der Sloot,

which disclosed that psychological expertise is psychotic and a liar,



He received an email on his laptop saying:

"I'll kill mongolito"

...and that it was the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago.


FIGHT - 8:00 - 8:20 am


Joran gave her a blow on the head with his fist and elbowed her in the face, leaving her stunned.

Shattering her nose and face

Her cervical spine was broken.

She has all over her body abrasions and trauma to her head.

Dark red bruises on the left side of face

Multiple green bruises on both feet

Open wound on middle finger of the right hand

Scratches on the chin

Dark red bruises on the interior part of right arm

Dark red on both knees

Opaque corneas

Racoon eyes

Lying on top of white sheet



The Dutchman told the authorities

Joran:

"I took her by the neck and choked for a minute."

"I took off my shirt and covered her face for several minutes, until she was motionless"


8.35






8.36





8.37




8.39





* Presence of mind to con someone else into leaving their fingerprints on the door.


Ooh wee... that is some cold chit.

[cecilita]

I was just thinking about how Mr. Flores knew his daughter must have been drugged because of her manner of walking and the way she carried her body was and her head hanging down as if not in control. I remember someone in the Mountainbrook group saying Natalee didn't seem like herself.

I would like to know if J got anywhere near Stephany's drink at the casino (which could be possible seen on a security camera), or did he slip it into a coke after they were in her car?

I wonder about that too Shell....
I don't know if the police said who drove from the casino to urine hostel.....but I would guess Stephany.
And I read here about 37 minutes timeline for drugs to take effect, but didn't pay enough attention.....
The video of her following urine through the lobby and into his room convinces me she was drugged by then......

she walks the same when she leaves the casino(video when she left the table and goes to cash her ships)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAvcx0RmPc

[darleenofalabama]

Hello, Y'all.  Has there been any further news regarding those two Columbian girls that multiple murderer probably murdered?

Also, is that really a jail blanket he's wearing?  I thought Klaasand photoshopped it.  Maybe it's from the idealogy of that sheriff out in Arizona, I think it is, who makes his prisoners wear pink.

Oh, and, CBB, as soon as I read that he said he had to kill her for looking on his computer, I decided that was a lie based solely on the fact that he gave it as his reason; he always lies.

[billb's daughter]

Quote from: Anna on June 12, 2010, 11:32:32 PM
Well, the whole world knows Joran is a homicidal maniac now so Aruba can give up the cherade that there was no evidence, etc.

What do they gain from withholding remains at this late date? 

The Peruvians have already made them look utterly incompetent and corrupt.  If they truly don't want Joran back, why would they not give back the remains?  Will van der Straaten not tell them where they are or what?

ive always thought, that any give on Natalee, would expose all the past corruption
of arubas officials, all the way down to the parking meter attendant,and the netherlands, would have to do something about aruba, then they would lose $$$$
on taxes ect.
A.kickbacks
B.prostitution
C. drugs
D. ect./for all the above

I agree that paulass had something on everyone in power that he used to suck them in on the coverup initially.....and as time went on, it became harder to back out....aruba and NL was stuck and had to continue the coverup for fear of paulass being prosecuted.
I'm not so sure now that paulass is burnt toast (hehehe) that there isn't an opportunity for aruba to blame everything on urine/paulass and that MIGHT WORK....IF THEY RETURN NATALEE......

[darleenofalabama]

And if Anita wants to redeem herself in any way, she ought to start talking now and tell everything she knows.

[cecilita]

Hello, Y'all.  Has there been any further news regarding those two Columbian girls that multiple murderer probably murdered?

Also, is that really a jail blanket he's wearing?  I thought Klaasand photoshopped it.  Maybe it's from the idealogy of that sheriff out in Arizona, I think it is, who makes his prisoners wear pink.

Oh, and, CBB, as soon as I read that he said he had to kill her for looking on his computer, I decided that was a lie based solely on the fact that he gave it as his reason; he always lies.

I think that they should check with how many suitcases the monster arrived in Colombia. He left Peru only with a small bag and his backpack. I hope their safe return

[cecilita]

SOME MORE BACKGROUND:

5:15 am - Joran Stephany walk into room.



5:15 am - 8:00 am - Unaccounted for


8:00 - 8:20  Autopsy estimated time window of murder of Stephany Flores   * peter r. devries



Joran`s Police Statement - translated

Joran says -


When they were in the room Van der Sloot,

which disclosed that psychological expertise is psychotic and a liar,



He received an email on his laptop saying:

"I'll kill mongolito"

...and that it was the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago.


FIGHT - 8:00 - 8:20 am


Joran gave her a blow on the head with his fist and elbowed her in the face, leaving her stunned.

Shattering her nose and face

Her cervical spine was broken.

She has all over her body abrasions and trauma to her head.

Dark red bruises on the left side of face

Multiple green bruises on both feet

Open wound on middle finger of the right hand

Scratches on the chin

Dark red bruises on the interior part of right arm

Dark red on both knees

Opaque corneas

Racoon eyes

Lying on top of white sheet



The Dutchman told the authorities

Joran:

"I took her by the neck and choked for a minute."

"I took off my shirt and covered her face for several minutes, until she was motionless"


8.35






8.36





8.37




8.39





* Presence of mind to con someone else into leaving their fingerprints on the door.


Ooh wee... that is some cold chit.

that video is creepy. The hostel employee kinda sees the room when he is leaving.

[Anna]

Joran needs to stop whining.  His prison doesn't even make the Top Ten in the World on any of the lists I found on Google.  Here's a blog taht shows those most often considered in the top ten worst in the world for anybody who is interested.

http://listsoplenty.com/blog/archives/2691

So Joran really has no basis for his complaints just because he is likely to be killed.  That's just how prisons are in most of the world.


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[Anna]

Did Dave Holloway go to Aruba or is Tim Miller the only one there?

Tim is trying to get permission to search the place shown in Joran's drawing that he gave to Jaap and what is the other search?  The Monserat Pond again?

[billb's daughter]

I was just thinking about how Mr. Flores knew his daughter must have been drugged because of her manner of walking and the way she carried her body was and her head hanging down as if not in control. I remember someone in the Mountainbrook group saying Natalee didn't seem like herself.

I would like to know if J got anywhere near Stephany's drink at the casino (which could be possible seen on a security camera), or did he slip it into a coke after they were in her car?

I wonder about that too Shell....
I don't know if the police said who drove from the casino to urine hostel.....but I would guess Stephany.
And I read here about 37 minutes timeline for drugs to take effect, but didn't pay enough attention.....
The video of her following urine through the lobby and into his room convinces me she was drugged by then......

she walks the same when she leaves the casino(video when she left the table and goes to cash her ships)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAvcx0RmPc

Cecilia.....After viewing the youtube video, I'n not sure I agree that she is walking the same as when she is in the hostel lobby and walking to it's room....
In the casino, she looks a lot more animated, head up walking besides/sometimes ahead of urine....acknowledging others.....
In the hostel....walking behind with head down......

[crazybabyborg]

Hi darleen! I know! Joran looks like he needs a sombrero and a cactus with that blanket!

Carpe? The laptop will show if got that e-mail. Are we sure Mongolito is Guido? Who do you think the e-mail was from, if it's real?

[carpe noctem]

Those bruises on her feet could have been from her trying to kick him or something.

I think sweetie heart fought to the death - just like I have always believed Natalee did.

When you`re up against 6 foot 3 Frankenstein...

A little girl can only take so much.

Especially, when it is a surprise blitz attack.

SUCKER PUNCH. From King Coward himself.

[carpe noctem]

Hi darleen! I know! Joran looks like he needs a sombrero and a cactus with that blanket!

Carpe? The laptop will show if got that e-mail. Are we sure Mongolito is Guido? Who do you think the e-mail was from, if it's real?

Dunno CBB. I only put up that pic of Guido earlier because I think he`s a puta.

[billb's daughter]

Just a thought...
If there is a ringleader in aruba/NL they should consider that there is a small window of opportunity to them now....before anymore damaging info is exposed through urine's laptop, Tim/Dave searches, k2 or someone else coming forward....
Return Natalee NOW...BLAME paulass and urine for killing/disappearing Natalee....and ensure urine meets his maker sooner than later......
Otherwise.....bigger exposures of their roles will certainly emerge.....

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot wanted to throw the body into the sea Stephany
However, Dutchman citizen discouraged because, he said, had no time to fetch a suitcase or know where to buy

The confession of Joran van der Sloot has provoked in the United States, both in policing and in the information, to the extent that their impacts are Aruba and Peru.

According to the correspondent of Commerce in Washington, Miguel Vivanco, yesterday it emerged that officers from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI, according to its acronym in English) have been assigned to follow the case of the Dutchman, held in Lima for the murder of Stephany Flores occurred on May 30 and prime suspect in the death of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba, in 2005.

It also emerged that the U.S. police has requested the PNP a summary of the Van der Sloot confession, and a police report of Aruba on the resumption of the search for Holloway's body at sea.

The FBI denied yesterday that the $ 25 000 given to Van der Sloot, the product of an extortion Holloway family, has left its funds, as stated in the U.S. media "The funds involved were private," he said.

Media said the Dutchman made contact with Natalee's mother, who provided information on the disappearance of her daughter in exchange for money, and the Holloway family contacted the FBI, which decided to give an amount to set a trap .

The FBI said that the research was not developed enough to file charges before the time that Van der Sloot left Aruba. The complaint in which Young was accused of extortion and wire fraud was only made on 3 June by the U.S. Attorney A day later, Washington requested the Interpol Interpol Lima, with an urgent message, the arrest of Van der Sloot to process his extradition.

Macabre plan
Sources of the Homicide Division of the Dirincri revealed yesterday that Van der Sloot told the police he planned to disappear Stephany's body out to sea in a suitcase. However, it is discouraged because, he said, had no time to fetch a suitcase or know where to buy it.

The Department of Forensic Psychology Dirincri established that Van der Sloot is a psychotic antisocial, cold, calculating that his acts done in a premeditated and reacts with anger when things do not go. The conclusion of this review the strategy brought down the suspect, who said he had acted "for violent emotion" when he met Stephany snooping on your lap top.

Drug tests performed last Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot confirmed that used drugs before killing Stephany Flores.

Broadcast video of the meeting in Atlantic City casino
The meeting between Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores in the early hours of Sunday 30 May at the Atlantic City casino de Miraflores, where both played poker hours before the crime, was released yesterday in a video recorded by the local itself. The tape was shown on Canal N, courtesy of Reuters.

The pictures speak for themselves. They see two young people departing the game of chance and after two hours and head out together Tac hotel, located a few blocks away.

These details are supplemented by the statements that Joran has done in the Homicide Division of the National Police of Peru (PNP) in which it accepts killing Stephany Flores after 8:20 am, after reviewing your computer's find notebook, where he kept information concerning the disappearance of his alleged first victim, American Natalee Holloway.

THE DATA
"God bless"
Beth Holloway, Natalee Holloway's mother, allegedly murdered by Joran van der Sloot, asked on Tuesday to pray for the family of the young Stephany Flores.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/64205/joran-van-der-sloot-queria-arrojar-cuerpo-stephany-al-mar

[Lifesong]

Here's what's creepy: 

In that 8:36 picture Joran sure looks a lot like Misty Croslin-Cumming's cousin Joe.

No?

[Shell]

Joran needs to stop whining.  His prison doesn't even make the Top Ten in the World on any of the lists I found on Google.  Here's a blog taht shows those most often considered in the top ten worst in the world for anybody who is interested.

http://listsoplenty.com/blog/archives/2691

So Joran really has no basis for his complaints just because he is likely to be killed.  That's just how prisons are in most of the world.


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Plus, he gets to hobnob with an incarcerated mayor? and a hit man. He is one classy guy.

[crazybabyborg]

Mark Furhman (I never can remember how to spell that) said the location of the body in the room was such that it wouldn't be visible from someone opening the door. So, was Joran just attempting to establish that he was outside getting coffee at that time or did he see the camera once in the hallway and thought it might have recorded his charade so he didn't get the hotel worker in the room to "discover" Stephany's body?

I'm thinking he wasn't sure about the camera, so he just chucked it all and got the heck out of Dodge!

Was he just lying about eating cake and drinking coffee over Stephany's body? Why would he lie about that to investigators?