Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Shell]

Nite all. cannot express how I feel to be here...I always feel honored to be a Monkey.  God bless Stephany and Natalee, and all of our missing and murdered......I wish there could be resolution for all......

akmom - my sentiments exactly! 

It is an honor just to be able to read here at the SM forum, but to actually be able to post with these fine people is humbling. 

Monkeys are among the finest people on the planet.  Anyone who sticks around here will consistently have their faith in the human spirit strengthened and renewed.

Thank you monkeys!  I heart you all.

Back @ ya.

[texasmom]

Klaas, what were those photos you posted?  Is that Tim and Steph in Aruba?

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Doesn't look like Tim or Steph to me.  Not sure who it is.

This may have already been posted...link to CBS interview with Steph Watts in Aruba

http://cbs3.com/video/?id=104682@kyw.dayport.com

[Shell]

I think one reason we all seem to think Stephany is drugged is that the videos are usually shown in slow motion to give a better view of Joran and the victim.

Taking that into consideration, I just don't know if she is or not.

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I just think a father knows his own daughter, and he feels something was not right with her.

[klaasend]

Nite all. cannot express how I feel to be here...I always feel honored to be a Monkey.  God bless Stephany and Natalee, and all of our missing and murdered......I wish there could be resolution for all......

Night akmom! Sleep Well and God Bless!


KLAAS! I went to RU last night! It was skeeeery, but there was a thread that was funny! It was the "deal" thread! Bizman wasn't getting anywhere with his Aruban deal theory! Even Glenda called it Monkey Poo! LOL!

Yeah, I was watching.  I noticed someone (other than Darleen) laid into Glenda today.  Insults seem to slough off her like dandruff though.

[darleenofalabama]

Klaasand, for your information, I am not going on any trips that don't involve Alabama, Georgia or North Carolina--and don't you send me on any, either.

[klaasend]

Klaas, what were those photos you posted?  Is that Tim and Steph in Aruba?

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Doesn't look like Tim or Steph to me.  Not sure who it is.

This may have already been posted...link to CBS interview with Steph Watts in Aruba

http://cbs3.com/video/?id=104682@kyw.dayport.com

TM who do you think those people are from the awe24 article I posted?

[Northern Rose]

There was no television station, media outlet or taxi driver these days do not comment on the infamous murder of the young Stephany Flores in the hands of Joran Van Der Sloot, another young man of just 23 years appeared to have committed another crime in a few years ago Aruba. Even the President of the Republic dealt with the case by linking it to the irresponsibility of the girl and somehow blaming her for his death. "We can not have someone, a momentary fever, lends itself to go with someone who just know, and these are the consequences," he said, a comment that has coincided with many other looks to be the morally sanctioned girl and even suggesting one way or another she would have looked as if the death was the inevitable fate of someone who does not meet the expected parameters for gender or publicly express a new and rapid development of relations, different and in many cases quite common and characteristic of a time when the vertiginous sets the tone even relationships.

What these days little has been discussed, it has been almost ignored or warm water, except for the mention of any specialist, is that events happen in the midst of a world championship of poker that both young men were attending apparently. They gambled and it seems that not a little, assuming a risk permanently, as often happens when suffering from pathological gambling, is increasing as is lost in greater quantities.

That a young age Stephany, single, bold and well with money, go to casinos to play should not be surprised if we only stop to look deeper into what is happening in our cities and not only in Lima, with the growth game rooms, which are already more than 800 in the country, casinos and slot or slots, the latter reaching the fabulous figure of 60 000 across the country, mostly in Lima.

More and more women engage in this kind of entertainment. At any time they can be seen giving a machine, abstracted, often alone, spending perhaps his salary, food, day or university board. Absorbed by the glitter, lights, colors, melodies or the tinkle of dominoes falling, bring into play all your senses with the ability women have to maximize our sense organs, which are key elements in this type of game, contributing to accentuate the fantasy lives and the dream that one day the chips do not stop out of the gadgets, or win the championship of poker or bingo at least.

"The gambling halls are isolated from reality, offering a world of dreams, in them no one knows whether it is day or night," said Dr. Martin Nizam, director of the Institute of Mental Health "Honorio Delgado Hideyo Noguchi daily Trade (1) some time ago, realizing the unreality that exists when you enter the game world, a world of dreams and possibilities, until you lose everything you had and many times what you do not have.

The reasons why young women enter this kind of mine field are varied. The younger they are driven by adrenaline, the risk to live, the sensations that are activated, the sense of control, expectations of winning. There are a few reasons, especially in contexts where advertising and lights fill the retinas of young people, who listen well that it is possible that someone got lucky to win thousands upon thousands, reaching even to buy land, as was the case of presidential candidate Keyko Fujimori, who says he bought land with money earned by his sister in a casino, just in a game of poker.
In cases of older women, specialists say that the motivation to play runs through other lines. So noted by Paz de Corral, who says that "women tend to resort to excessive play to deal with personal problems (loneliness, boredom, etc..) And family (poor relationship, husband ill or addicted to gambling or alcohol, etc..) as well as to address a dysphoric mood (depression, anxiety, anger, etc.).. "(2)

"I did not do it," said Van Der Sloot after confessing to the crime. "The girl intruded into my private life," which according to press concerns that she opened her computer and discovered his dark past. Anger possessed him against a woman who suddenly left exposed and that it could not get who knows what her and killed her, he said, but declined as they say many murderers in this type of case, a more femicide this city that intimate femicide statistics and intimate, like the present, do not descend, and where the gambling increases without more efforts or further investigation of how it is affecting women and girls to the proliferation of gambling halls, slots and casinos.

The increase in gambling should be taken very seriously in our society. It is necessary to expand on what are the mechanisms that lead women and men to addiction, for only in so far as differentially analyze the reasons for which one and another drop in gambling is that you can design treatments and respond to the specific needs of men and women. It should therefore be placed on the discussion what is happening, except for situations such as those narrated occur have a bit of focus, while every day more women become addicted. We see them in the amusement arcades in the slot to lose the gamble of life and they have yet to look the other way.

What women are escaping? What atavistic fears or frustrations lead them to expose themselves in this way in a time when the facilities to fall into the game as an escape valve are on every corner? How close are we of the older women who are lonely and in an age when most common is compulsive gambling? What measures will be taken against a disease that usually remains hidden until it is too late and is on track to become a public health problem?.

In the case of adolescents and youth, as in the case of Stephany, risk in the game in different ways, it is necessary to coordinate efforts from different sectors that account for the many dangerous situations that may expose in search of strong emotions in the desire to experience or simply to live up to what society imposes consumption and commodified.

"Pardon me," said the note he left a mother of a friend 70 years when he lost the house in a game, after which they learned that she was addicted. The forgiven, paid the debt, interned in a place to cure their disease. Fortunately could do it and rip the game one of their victims. It is not always possible. It has not been in the case of the girl killed by van der Sloot, made in the game has had a role that should be considered when analyzing risky situations experienced by young people especially, often in intense faith in life which leads them to find a senseless death, meaningless.

http://www.losandes.com.pe/Sociedad/20100613/37121.html

[klaasend]

Klaasand, for your information, I am not going on any trips that don't involve Alabama, Georgia or North Carolina--and don't you send me on any, either.

I thought you would like a trip to Bollywood with SandraK.  I hear she has relatives there!

[crazybabyborg]

What is this stuff about "I hit her with my elbow?
Who hits with their elbow? What is that, some kind of martial arts move? That is a lie. He is covering for something by making a point of including that in his "confession". He always makes sure to get in some self serving lies.

I agree with poster "billb" (prev unknown to me due to some absence, great poster, like a lot here). I get a rob/rape scenario. The elbow stuff is a cover for the way he was restraining her during rape attempt.

The computer info motive is bunk, the promise to reveal Natalee location is also untrue. No way was she buried on land in Aruba, or in a sunken cage, was she? I don't think so, neither of those scenario's allow for deniability.

Hi Hat! He's going to need all those imaginary moves and more where he is! Overpowering young girls is not much in the way of training for what he's up against now.

[akmom]

akmom....know that you are an OKmom....
prayers are what these cases need! being here this long keeps Justice for Natalee just around the corner.....

(billb)  big hugs

[darleenofalabama]

Oh, good grief; is Glenda maligning a dead girl now?  What did she think--that Stephany was leaving drug wrappers in her car so that when they were found, after she was dead, that people wouldn't think she willingly went to a room with a stranger...I'll be back in a few minutes.

[TexasRick007]

4 or 5 in the morning with skinny hair, missing a shoe and seemed exhausted. May 30th. "Jay" is the witness. He saw a vehicle, red jeep with a white cap. Driving was a middle aged white man, looking right and left. He didn't report it because the news article said the man was a lawyer with Van der Stratten as a friend and he was afraid. He went to Tim Miller and took a polygraph. He passed the test.

We can thank Geraldo for doing what the weenie Greta would never do, expose the corruption on the island.

In the early days of the investigation, Tito Lacle (sp?) was posting here along with Julia Renfro. Tito indicated that van der Strateen and Paulus were friends, yet Julia repeatedly said they weren't connected, and definitely weren't 'friends' - it's in the archives somewhere I'm sure.  She's been lying since the start.

[Magnolia]

What is this stuff about "I hit her with my elbow?
Who hits with their elbow? What is that, some kind of martial arts move? That is a lie. He is covering for something by making a point of including that in his "confession". He always makes sure to get in some self serving lies.

I agree with poster "billb" (prev unknown to me due to some absence, great poster, like a lot here). I get a rob/rape scenario. The elbow stuff is a cover for the way he was restraining her during rape attempt.

The computer info motive is bunk, the promise to reveal Natalee location is also untrue. No way was she buried on land in Aruba, or in a sunken cage, was she? I don't think so, neither of those scenario's allow for deniability.

I agree about the elbow.  I was thinking about that and there is no way he could have upper cut her
with his elbow.  He was two feet taller than Stephany.  Can't get good leverage with an elbow anyway.
I think he beat her with his fists and stomped her.  I think the knees came from being drug across the room.

[Anna]

Klaas, what were those photos you posted?  Is that Tim and Steph in Aruba?

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Doesn't look like Tim or Steph to me.  Not sure who it is.

Not sure what Steph looks like other that that little bitty photo on his website. 
Could be Tim Miller under that cap if Steph is real tall.

Don't know who it is either, just trying to keep up and make some sense of all the conflicting information we are hearing. 

I guess it is up to Aruba to allow a search or conduct one themselves and we know how that goes.

So weary of this game of pretending to give back Natalee's remains.

And it seems Julia actually thinks Joran would be paid a reward!  Geeze but these people are insane.

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[crazybabyborg]

Nite all. cannot express how I feel to be here...I always feel honored to be a Monkey.  God bless Stephany and Natalee, and all of our missing and murdered......I wish there could be resolution for all......

Night akmom! Sleep Well and God Bless!


KLAAS! I went to RU last night! It was skeeeery, but there was a thread that was funny! It was the "deal" thread! Bizman wasn't getting anywhere with his Aruban deal theory! Even Glenda called it Monkey Poo! LOL!

Yeah, I was watching.  I noticed someone (other than Darleen) laid into Glenda today.  Insults seem to slough off her like dandruff though.

I don't think Renho knows where to go where she has a sympathetic ear. You can't have a blog with one member.

[TexasRick007]

Oh, good grief; is Glenda maligning a dead girl now?  What did she think--that Stephany was leaving drug wrappers in her car so that when they were found, after she was dead, that people wouldn't think she willingly went to a room with a stranger...I'll be back in a few minutes.

The suggestion was that going back to a man's room at that hour of the morning means there was something wrong with her character. That Stefany shared some responsibility for what happened.

We've seen this before, so she's right on cue for beginning to smear the victim.

[crazybabyborg]

4 or 5 in the morning with skinny hair, missing a shoe and seemed exhausted. May 30th. "Jay" is the witness. He saw a vehicle, red jeep with a white cap. Driving was a middle aged white man, looking right and left. He didn't report it because the news article said the man was a lawyer with Van der Stratten as a friend and he was afraid. He went to Tim Miller and took a polygraph. He passed the test.

We can thank Geraldo for doing what the weenie Greta would never do, expose the corruption on the island.

In the early days of the investigation, Tito Lacle (sp?) was posting here along with Julia Renfro. Tito indicated that van der Strateen and Paulus were friends, yet Julia repeatedly said they weren't connected, and definitely weren't 'friends' - it's in the archives somewhere I'm sure.  She's been lying since the start.

IIRC, it was said that Van der Stratten was Joran's Godfather!

[texasmom]

Klaas, what were those photos you posted?  Is that Tim and Steph in Aruba?

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Doesn't look like Tim or Steph to me.  Not sure who it is.

This may have already been posted...link to CBS interview with Steph Watts in Aruba

http://cbs3.com/video/?id=104682@kyw.dayport.com

TM who do you think those people are from the awe24 article I posted?

I'm thinking maybe Tim Miller being interviewed by someone.  The tall guy with dark hair doesn't look familiar to me, and I'm not sure but I think other one could be Tim.

[TexasRick007]

4 or 5 in the morning with skinny hair, missing a shoe and seemed exhausted. May 30th. "Jay" is the witness. He saw a vehicle, red jeep with a white cap. Driving was a middle aged white man, looking right and left. He didn't report it because the news article said the man was a lawyer with Van der Stratten as a friend and he was afraid. He went to Tim Miller and took a polygraph. He passed the test.

We can thank Geraldo for doing what the weenie Greta would never do, expose the corruption on the island.

In the early days of the investigation, Tito Lacle (sp?) was posting here along with Julia Renfro. Tito indicated that van der Strateen and Paulus were friends, yet Julia repeatedly said they weren't connected, and definitely weren't 'friends' - it's in the archives somewhere I'm sure.  She's been lying since the start.

IIRC, it was said that Van der Stratten was Joran's Godfather!

Yes, I remember that, but was never able to corroborate it...  Their friendship certainly explained a lot in the case.

[crazybabyborg]

Oh, good grief; is Glenda maligning a dead girl now?  What did she think--that Stephany was leaving drug wrappers in her car so that when they were found, after she was dead, that people wouldn't think she willingly went to a room with a stranger...I'll be back in a few minutes.

The suggestion was that going back to a man's room at that hour of the morning means there was something wrong with her character. That Stefany shared some responsibility for what happened.

We've seen this before, so she's right on cue for beginning to smear the victim.

Right, and what kind of girl was Natalee for getting a car with JK2?

A drugged one, on both counts probably.

That strategy of villifying victims hasn't worked out so well for Aruba thus far, so of course, Renho just keeps plowing down that path.