Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Tater]

I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but I know this.  IF strings get pulled that prevent Joran Van der Sloot from serving his sentence in PERU, where he belongs IMO; it will only FURTHER convince me that strings were being pulled all along for him in the HAGUE...and I'm going to be VERY EXTREMELY DISGUSTED!

I can't help but BELIEVE that he was tipped off in Aruba...AND HE RAN...WHY he chose Lima, Peru I do not know.  But he obviously didn't have money to establish himself there, if that would have even been allowed.  Yes, he should have had money...he'd just been paid $25,000 for another story...but HE KNEW THAT when he did it.  Did he think he was just going to laugh in the family's face again?  I think he had major gambling debts and/or drug debts that he had to pay and that took a good chunk of the money, JMO.  So what was the plan?  How long could he have stayed in Lima before he would have had to move on?  Did he plan to live off those he could drug and steal from to survive?  Surely he didn't think his "friends" could continue to Western Union funds to him to keep him on the lam forever? 

That's just some of the questions I have...that I'll probably never know the answer to. 

As to the first part;I highly doubt Joran is going anywhere except to the general population of whatever prison he ends up in *Peru* when it's all said and done.I'm sure that Stephanys family feel compassion for Natalee and her entire family but the bottom line for them would be justice for Stephany and keeping her killer right where he belongs would take priority over anything else.I truly believe the end is  now in sight for Joran.I don't believe Joran has any information as to the whereabouts of Natalees body because that was taken care of for him.He does know exactly how,when,and where she died but disclosing that information is no bargaining chip or get out of jail free card.It's over for Joran.This is simply my honest opinion.His constant lies have and will always afford the cover-up posse the benefit of doubt.It will be a fine day for sure when God puts to end this crazy evil world we live in and replaces it with a perfect one...

[MisGivings]

Gringo slept on the floor afraid
 
Depressed and scared, and is Joran van der Sloot, confessed murderer of Stephany Flores (21), I will deal with in the prison "Miguel Castro Castro" and spent his first night on a mattress placed on the ground.

"He does not talk much, he surprised and fearful note. It has access to anything, sure I thought I would reach a golden prison," said one prison source.

That is why we want to be extradited to Aruba, as made known to the detectives Dirincri.

Occupying one-man cell, the punishment was previously known as the 'can' and is located in the area of prevention of the presidio.

"There's no stage, so he slept on a mattress on the floor," said our source.

Is confined to the area where the Dutchman is not accessible by the prison director and actors who care Inpe the entrance door.

"It is isolated from the wards of 'roundabout' and Sunday breakfast and lunch Quaker dry chicken," said the source.

"He ate and eat the same as the prison workers as a precaution and so far not have access to the cauldron," the source added.

Van der Sloot is the assassin neighboring Colombia or Hugo Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, 'Clown', the murderer of Miryam Fefer entrepreneur and former mayor of Coronel Portillo, Luis Valdez Villacorta.

The tortured

On the other hand, it was learned that, in its manifestation, Joran told police he attacked Stephany because she hit her head on hearing that he was involved in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, but detectives suspect that the Dutchman would have attacked and even tortured to get the girl reveals the secret key to their bank cards in order to steal their money.

"I realized that Stephany had money, but did not know the cards, nor the exact amount, but she changed the sheets for cash before leaving the casino. After the victim, I put my cards," he said.

He added that after beating her with his elbow in the nose until it bled, he took her by the neck with both hands and strangled. For the police it was at that time abroad forced his victim to reveal the key to their cards.

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-12/ontractualidad1094953.html

So, the little $hit wanted her Pin Number, too.

[MisGivings]

I just might boycott Richard Gere if he ever makes another movie.

ME TOO!

[MisGivings]

I think one reason we all seem to think Stephany is drugged is that the videos are usually shown in slow motion to give a better view of Joran and the victim.

Taking that into consideration, I just don't know if she is or not.

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I believe she was drugged some time when they were sitting in her jeep for 37 minutes before they went into the hotel. Stephany moved a drink in the Casino video, she did not have one.

[ciskebab]

Klaas,

Remember when you did the picture of Oduber with butter on his head? 
That expression does conjure up comical images.  I think it means they are cool and collected, calm, but not sure.  Maybe some of our Dutch posters could elaborate on what it does mean.


.

Could be.

I'm catching up so I dont know if somebody already explained what it means.


Having butter on your head means:

The person can comment about other people(behavior, actions etc.) but isn't so innocent themselves.

[MsVada]

I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but I know this.  IF strings get pulled that prevent Joran Van der Sloot from serving his sentence in PERU, where he belongs IMO; it will only FURTHER convince me that strings were being pulled all along for him in the HAGUE...and I'm going to be VERY EXTREMELY DISGUSTED!

I can't help but BELIEVE that he was tipped off in Aruba...AND HE RAN...WHY he chose Lima, Peru I do not know.  But he obviously didn't have money to establish himself there, if that would have even been allowed.  Yes, he should have had money...he'd just been paid $25,000 for another story...but HE KNEW THAT when he did it.  Did he think he was just going to laugh in the family's face again?  I think he had major gambling debts and/or drug debts that he had to pay and that took a good chunk of the money, JMO.  So what was the plan?  How long could he have stayed in Lima before he would have had to move on?  Did he plan to live off those he could drug and steal from to survive?  Surely he didn't think his "friends" could continue to Western Union funds to him to keep him on the lam forever? 

That's just some of the questions I have...that I'll probably never know the answer to. 

As to the first part;I highly doubt Joran is going anywhere except to the general population of whatever prison he ends up in *Peru* when it's all said and done.I'm sure that Stephanys family feel compassion for Natalee and her entire family but the bottom line for them would be justice for Stephany and keeping her killer right where he belongs would take priority over anything else.I truly believe the end is  now in sight for Joran.I don't believe Joran has any information as to the whereabouts of Natalees body because that was taken care of for him.He does know exactly how,when,and where she died but disclosing that information is no bargaining chip or get out of jail free card.It's over for Joran.This is simply my honest opinion.His constant lies have and will always afford the cover-up posse the benefit of doubt.It will be a fine day for sure when God puts to end this crazy evil world we live in and replaces it with a perfect one...

I think Joran knows there's no bargaining or hope to serve his sentence anywhere but where he is.  They made that clear he wasn't going anywhere..... I just hope he tells and the house of cards fall and Natalee is brought home before he is killed in prison.  IMO, if he dies before we find her, we will never find her. 

[MisGivings]

They keep saying that Joran asked the lobby clerk to not disturb his girlfriend. The video doesn't show that. You can see someone, presumably a hotel worker come in behind Joran in the lobby but it doesn't show any conversation.

There also has been no video, yet, of Joran going to get coffee. If he brought old coffee cups from the room out for his charade, and did not go get breakfast as he told investigators, then IMO, he had formulated a story where he would get a hotel worker to open the door and discover Stephany's body. He would say it must have happened while he was out. He was in the process of carrying that charade out when he spotted what might be a camera outside of the hotel door and chucked it and ran. Later, when he was caught, he stuck with the story hoping that what he saw in the hallway was not, indeed a camera.

That still does not explain why he would tell investigators he ate breakfast over Stephany's body, does it?

I just typed all that out and even though it explains nothing, it took too long to type so I'm posting it!  LOL!

I hunt and peck, guys! Should have taken typing.............

Actually, it does. Look at the video as he walks by the lady in the white shirt, she lifts her head up as if she is being spoken to. (Very beginning where he enters the front desk area)

[MsVada]

misgivings

I saw that but thought it was her looking up because he was walking by.....sort of like looking up to acknowledge he's there and to make sure he's all set. 

I didn't think there was audio on that one so I didn't turn it on,   So, I may be completely wrong on that.

[Tater]

I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but I know this.  IF strings get pulled that prevent Joran Van der Sloot from serving his sentence in PERU, where he belongs IMO; it will only FURTHER convince me that strings were being pulled all along for him in the HAGUE...and I'm going to be VERY EXTREMELY DISGUSTED!

I can't help but BELIEVE that he was tipped off in Aruba...AND HE RAN...WHY he chose Lima, Peru I do not know.  But he obviously didn't have money to establish himself there, if that would have even been allowed.  Yes, he should have had money...he'd just been paid $25,000 for another story...but HE KNEW THAT when he did it.  Did he think he was just going to laugh in the family's face again?  I think he had major gambling debts and/or drug debts that he had to pay and that took a good chunk of the money, JMO.  So what was the plan?  How long could he have stayed in Lima before he would have had to move on?  Did he plan to live off those he could drug and steal from to survive?  Surely he didn't think his "friends" could continue to Western Union funds to him to keep him on the lam forever? 

That's just some of the questions I have...that I'll probably never know the answer to. 

As to the first part;I highly doubt Joran is going anywhere except to the general population of whatever prison he ends up in *Peru* when it's all said and done.I'm sure that Stephanys family feel compassion for Natalee and her entire family but the bottom line for them would be justice for Stephany and keeping her killer right where he belongs would take priority over anything else.I truly believe the end is  now in sight for Joran.I don't believe Joran has any information as to the whereabouts of Natalees body because that was taken care of for him.He does know exactly how,when,and where she died but disclosing that information is no bargaining chip or get out of jail free card.It's over for Joran.This is simply my honest opinion.His constant lies have and will always afford the cover-up posse the benefit of doubt.It will be a fine day for sure when God puts to end this crazy evil world we live in and replaces it with a perfect one...

I think Joran knows there's no bargaining or hope to serve his sentence anywhere but where he is.  They made that clear he wasn't going anywhere..... I just hope he tells and the house of cards fall and Natalee is brought home before he is killed in prison.  IMO, if he dies before we find her, we will never find her. 

But as it's been said so many times,"If his lips are moving,he's lying"..This very fact is a key element in favor of everyone involved in the cover-up.Jmo again

[RoxiBalboa]

I would love to buy a tshirt with Peru on the front, the back with that round/slash sign over the word Aruba (I don't know what that's called, like the no smoking sign). Someone should sell those shirts and donate profits to the Natalee Holloway Resourse Center. I'd pay extra to have the donations go there.

[Tater]

I would love to buy a tshirt with Peru on the front, the back with that round/slash sign over the word Aruba (I don't know what that's called, like the no smoking sign). Someone should sell those shirts and donate profits to the Natalee Holloway Resourse Center. I'd pay extra to have the donations go there.

What a great idea! They could put a small picture of Stephany on the front and one of Natalee on the back.What a message that would send.I'd so buy one too!

[Jo-An]

Joran wants to "exchange" Natalee for extradition to Aruba

Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:36

Joran van der Sloot, the Peruvian police offered to tell where the body of Natalee Holloway is dumped, if he will then be transferred to a jail in Aruba. Van der Sloot is now in prison notorious Peruvian Castro Castro.

This was told by Yolanda Onoc, spokes person of the Peruvian police, Diricri. Transfer is impossible because the Peruvian president, Alan Garcia, has determined that Van der Sloot will have to serve his sentence in Peru.

Aruba, part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, also has no extradition treaty with Peru.

Murder
Van der Sloot has been charged with the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramírez. He has confessed that he killed her. There is in Peru up to 35 years imprisonment for murder.

Van der Sloot is currently in Castro Castro prison. Because authorities feared that inmates will do anything to him, Joran has a cell for himself. He would nevertheless be terrified, Peruvian media reported.

Van der Sloot has often tried to make a profit off his knowledge of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway. Apparently he tried before he went to Peru, Holloway's mother to extort information about where her body was hidden. The FBI would have paid.

Joran van der Sloot is still the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway case from 2005, but he could never be prosecuted. This is because her body was never found.

Several explanations
Previously explained Van der Sloot certain internal statements about Holloway's death and the place where he would have hidden her body. By Peter R. De Vries' undercover officer Patrick van der Eem said Joran that Natalee died on the beach and that he dumped her body into the sea.

Against Golden Cage winner Jaap Amesz 'known' Joran, for a sum that Natalee after drinking and drug use fell from the balcony and her body dumped in a swamp.

Van der Sloot has also been said that Natalee is not dead, but that he had sold as sex slaves.

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Nederland/268088/Joran-wil-Natalee-ruilen-voor-uitlevering-aan-Aruba.htm

I think they should make him a counter-offer. If he tells them where the body is and they find the remains of Natalee, he can get a lower sentence in Peru. If they do not find her remains, he will be dragged out of his own cell and put with the rest of the inmates immediately. Where he will live for another week max!

Or... they can beat him at his own game and promiss him all kinds of things about extradiction or a lower sentence and then when push comes to shove tell him that all those promises were all lies.

[MsVada]

JoAn

I couldn't have said it better myself.  I'm up for anything that brings Natalee home and keeps him in Jail.

[Scatty]

Lower left corner of screen at 0:31 comes a woman I believe may  be Anita

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwNh7v5-MrA&feature=related

I believe it is her. She also appears to the right at about 4:35-4:45, the same time Valentijn (sp) shows up on screen.

[klaasend]

Is this Anita?

If you are referring to blonde hair black dress absolutely NOT.

[blah]

Joran wants to "exchange" Natalee for extradition to Aruba

Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:36

Joran van der Sloot, the Peruvian police offered to tell where the body of Natalee Holloway is dumped, if he will then be transferred to a jail in Aruba. Van der Sloot is now in prison notorious Peruvian Castro Castro.

This was told by Yolanda Onoc, spokes person of the Peruvian police, Diricri. Transfer is impossible because the Peruvian president, Alan Garcia, has determined that Van der Sloot will have to serve his sentence in Peru.

Aruba, part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, also has no extradition treaty with Peru.

Murder
Van der Sloot has been charged with the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramírez. He has confessed that he killed her. There is in Peru up to 35 years imprisonment for murder.

Van der Sloot is currently in Castro Castro prison. Because authorities feared that inmates will do anything to him, Joran has a cell for himself. He would nevertheless be terrified, Peruvian media reported.

Van der Sloot has often tried to make a profit off his knowledge of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway. Apparently he tried before he went to Peru, Holloway's mother to extort information about where her body was hidden. The FBI would have paid.

Joran van der Sloot is still the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway case from 2005, but he could never be prosecuted. This is because her body was never found.

Several explanations
Previously explained Van der Sloot certain internal statements about Holloway's death and the place where he would have hidden her body. By Peter R. De Vries' undercover officer Patrick van der Eem said Joran that Natalee died on the beach and that he dumped her body into the sea.

Against Golden Cage winner Jaap Amesz 'known' Joran, for a sum that Natalee after drinking and drug use fell from the balcony and her body dumped in a swamp.

Van der Sloot has also been said that Natalee is not dead, but that he had sold as sex slaves.

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Nederland/268088/Joran-wil-Natalee-ruilen-voor-uitlevering-aan-Aruba.htm

I think they should make him a counter-offer. If he tells them where the body is and they find the remains of Natalee, he can get a lower sentence in Peru. If they do not find her remains, he will be dragged out of his own cell and put with the rest of the inmates immediately. Where he will live for another week max!

Or... they can beat him at his own game and promiss him all kinds of things about extradiction or a lower sentence and then when push comes to shove tell him that all those promises were all lies.

He should not be allowed to "profit" from killing Natalee anymore.  Being afforded any lighter sentence or extradition or anything should not even be considedred.  Let him rot in hell.  I hope they drown him in the shithole in the floor.

[klaasend]

Lower left corner of screen at 0:31 comes a woman I believe may  be Anita

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwNh7v5-MrA&feature=related

I believe it is her. She also appears to the right at about 4:35-4:45, the same time Valentijn (sp) shows up on screen.

There is no 4:35-4:46 on the video link above, it's only 1:19 long?

[MisGivings]

Posted by Darleen at RU:  lol

darleenofalabama  PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:48 am         

Glenda, Glenda, Glenda; you're just being asinine now. Stop it. Really. I mean, don't you see how insane it is to say that this poor brutally murdered victim, Stephany, left drug wrappers in her car so that when her brutalized, dead body was found that people wouldn't think badly of her for going into a hotel room with a strange murderer. Give it up; you are seriously starting to look more and more guilty of hiding something yourself, what with all these attempts to continue the cover-up for that multiple murderer. For the sake of decency, wake up and cut your losses; he can't possibly be worth it to you. I mean, really, if you ever were to have a diet Coke with him, you should watch your glass like a hawk because, believe me, those were his drug wrappers. Now, straighten up.

FYI - I doubt Glenda will listen

I think Darleen needs to visit Julia and open up a can of whoop a$$ on her sorry a$$.

[Scatty]

Lower left corner of screen at 0:31 comes a woman I believe may  be Anita

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwNh7v5-MrA&feature=related

I believe it is her. She also appears to the right at about 4:35-4:45, the same time Valentijn (sp) shows up on screen.

There is no 4:35-4:46 on the video link above, it's only 1:19 long?

Oops, sorry. Wrong clip. Here is the longer one that Northern Rose posted with a better view of what I think is Miss Piggy or Anita Huge as she now aptly calls herself.

http://www.youtube.com/user/gdccreation#p/u/2/X6XobIV7nD4

[Blonde]

Joran Van der Sloot feared being killed in a prisiónPublicado by Shalom Saturday, June 12th 2010

The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloor, confessed murderer of Stephany Flores (21), sought assurances for his life because he fears being killed in prison, said the head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), Ruben Rodriguez.

"He asked for guarantees because it feels threatened. Says it can kill, "said the official.
This was said yesterday, moments after the alien was detained in maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro, located in the district of San Juan de Lurigancho.

In remarks to 90 seconds, the head of INPE explained that Van der Sloot was detained in a one-man cell, isolated from the rest of the prison population. He indicated that the alien is "completely healthy."

The Dutchman anxious and worried because from going to the cries of going to die!, Chanted by an angry crowd on Friday during the transfer of criminal prosecutors to Castro Castro, asked the authorities to enable it to purge sentence in Aruba, reports a local newspaper.

In return, the murderer promised to reveal the exact spot where the body of the American girl Natalee Holloway, missing since May 2005.

A Van der Sloot is accused of murder and crimes against property in the form of simple theft is punishable by up to 35 years imprisonment, as prescribed by the judge Juan Buendia Valenzuela who opened his statement with an arrest warrant.

http://shalomplustm.com/radio/?p=40056

I beth Natalee &  Stephany were scared and  threatened he didn't care.

In return, the murderer promised to reveal the exact spot where the body of the American girl Natalee Holloway, missing since May 2005. 
Again gezzz tell us where the body is and we will think about not putting you in a cell with other inmates ...