Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[canoworms]

Thank you Klaas, this is Selena but I couldn't get in under my old name and I tried to register under this one but never got back an email. I didn't know if you had recieved the request.

After I reregistered under THESelena in an attempt to get my name back I did receive an email for that name and this is why I sent an additional email to you.
So here I am as canoworms. How appropriate in light of all the recent developments and horrific tragedy in Peru, not to be taken lightly.

A big Shout Out to all of my former researchers and friends on SM. Anna, I never forgot you, and the many others.
Let's settle this once and for all and tie up the loose ends!

canowormsAKA: Selena

[nonesuche]

Very good picture of Beth as she spoke in Troy, Alabama yesterday to a group of students at the Lion's Club of Alabama High School Leadership Forum-also, gist of what she described happened to Natalee and her advice:


http://www2.dothaneagle.com/dea/news/local/article/holloway_describes_daughters_abduction_urges_teens_to_be_cautious/1595

Thanks for providing that link Ono.

Beth states - “The hope and memories she gave me fill my life every day,” she said."

Aruba can never defeat Beth or completely steal her daughter from her, but then the likes of the legion involved in the cover-up and the perpetrators, can't understand or even fathom that type of relationship with a child.

[Ono]

Maybe Greta has been silent regarding Aruba's dropping the "arrest Joran"
ball as she plans to travel on to Aruba after Peru and wants to be allowed onto the island?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Please light a candle for Natalee, we're closer now than we've been in 5 years to getting her back home:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s

Thank you, Lifesong. 

[klaasend]

Thank you Klaas, this is Selena but I couldn't get in under my old name and I tried to register under this one but never got back an email. I didn't know if you had recieved the request.

After I reregistered under THESelena in an attempt to get my name back I did receive an email for that name and this is why I sent an additional email to you.
So here I am as canoworms. How appropriate in light of all the recent developments and horrific tragedy in Peru, not to be taken lightly.

A big Shout Out to all of my former researchers and friends on SM. Anna, I never forgot you, and the many others.
Let's settle this once and for all and tie up the loose ends!

canowormsAKA: Selena

Hi Selena!

Your old registration will no longer work, none of ours has.  When we came to this new forum we had to re-register.  I did see your request though and searched for your name/email to approve.

Glad you finally got back in!

[klaasend]

Just realized who it is.....Greta and her cameraman, LOLOL  (j/k)

[texasmom]

Very good picture of Beth as she spoke in Troy, Alabama yesterday to a group of students at the Lion's Club of Alabama High School Leadership Forum-also, gist of what she described happened to Natalee and her advice:


http://www2.dothaneagle.com/dea/news/local/article/holloway_describes_daughters_abduction_urges_teens_to_be_cautious/1595

Thanks for providing that link Ono.

Beth states - “The hope and memories she gave me fill my life every day,” she said."

Aruba can never defeat Beth or completely steal her daughter from her, but then the likes of the legion involved in the cover-up and the perpetrators, can't understand or even fathom that type of relationship with a child.

Exactly Nonesuche!  They don't have a clue.

[texasmom]

Just realized who it is.....Greta and her cameraman, LOLOL  (j/k)

ROFLMAO! 

Coffee out the nose is not a good thing. 

[texasmom]

Thank you Klaas, this is Selena but I couldn't get in under my old name and I tried to register under this one but never got back an email. I didn't know if you had recieved the request.

After I reregistered under THESelena in an attempt to get my name back I did receive an email for that name and this is why I sent an additional email to you.
So here I am as canoworms. How appropriate in light of all the recent developments and horrific tragedy in Peru, not to be taken lightly.

A big Shout Out to all of my former researchers and friends on SM. Anna, I never forgot you, and the many others.
Let's settle this once and for all and tie up the loose ends!

canowormsAKA: Selena

Welcome back! 

[canoworms]

 Klaas *hugs*
I have seen how very very busy you are retrieving videos, etc and noticed Tamikosmom page for documents only.
My suggestion is for someone to post videos in this case in the same format-on a video only page and then they can bring it out into the general discussion and everyone will know that video is on the video page. Of course there are different screen shots, close ups etc, but this would save you the trouble of having to retrieve a main video everytime someone asks for it.
with much respect and admiration for what you do,
Selena

[Red]

I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but I know this.  IF strings get pulled that prevent Joran Van der Sloot from serving his sentence in PERU, where he belongs IMO; it will only FURTHER convince me that strings were being pulled all along for him in the HAGUE...and I'm going to be VERY EXTREMELY DISGUSTED!

I can't help but BELIEVE that he was tipped off in Aruba...AND HE RAN...WHY he chose Lima, Peru I do not know.  But he obviously didn't have money to establish himself there, if that would have even been allowed.  Yes, he should have had money...he'd just been paid $25,000 for another story...but HE KNEW THAT when he did it.  Did he think he was just going to laugh in the family's face again?  I think he had major gambling debts and/or drug debts that he had to pay and that took a good chunk of the money, JMO.  So what was the plan?  How long could he have stayed in Lima before he would have had to move on?  Did he plan to live off those he could drug and steal from to survive?  Surely he didn't think his "friends" could continue to Western Union funds to him to keep him on the lam forever?  

That's just some of the questions I have...that I'll probably never know the answer to.  

Texasmom this is exactly what I think is happening.  Stephany's father is sympathetic man and he wants Beth to find Natalee's remains and have closure.  He might be the one to say let him serve his time in Aruba.

If this happens it's a hugh mistake.

It is not Joran who knows where the remains are it is Aruba.  This is the exact reason they kept Natalee's remains.  It was to use as leverage against Paulus and Joran.  Paulus had his leverage but Aruba also had theirs.

Personally, I do not think he ever intends to say where NH is. This is his way of maintaining control over people and playing his sick game. JVDS can easily say that we dumped her here in the Ocean. That does not mean that she would still be at that local. Everyone must keep in mind that this is not a 22 yo punk, it is a 22 yo sociopath.

[Miss Lacey]

Is this Anita?

Anita: "Richard.  Yoo hoo!  I don't even care that my son's a murderer in a Peruvian prison.  I just had to be here to see you.  Do you want to go back to my place after the party?"

Richard:  "No way, lady."

[texasmom]

Very good picture of Beth as she spoke in Troy, Alabama yesterday to a group of students at the Lion's Club of Alabama High School Leadership Forum-also, gist of what she described happened to Natalee and her advice:


http://www2.dothaneagle.com/dea/news/local/article/holloway_describes_daughters_abduction_urges_teens_to_be_cautious/1595

http://www2.dothaneagle.com/dea/news/local/article/holloway_describes_daughters_abduction_urges_teens_to_be_cautious/159510/

Holloway describes daughter’s abduction, urges teens to be cautious

Max Oden / moden@dothaneagle.com



Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, speaks to a group of students during a leadership forum Saturday afternoon at Troy University.

By GREG PHILLIPS

Published: June 12, 2010
Updated: June 12, 2010

TROY—From even the most painful tragedies, lessons can be learned.

Beth Holloway is a living example.

Speaking to a group of students at the Lions Club of Alabama High School Leadership Forum in Troy Saturday afternoon, Holloway discussed the graphic details of her daughter’s 2005 disappearance.

“My daughter, Natalee, would be 23, and she had big plans out of high school like you all,” Holloway said. “What happened to my family could happen to anyone in this room. Any of you could be my child, and your parents could be me.”

Natalee, a graduate from Mountain Brook High School near Birmingham, disappeared on May 30, 2005, on the last day of her high school graduation trip to Aruba.

Holloway vividly remembers the days leading up to the trip and the final hours she spent with her daughter, including the discussions the two had regarding safety.

“She was of legal age to be in the night clubs there, (so) I reminded her to be careful,” Holloway recalled. “Before Natalee left, we discussed certain issues that I was thinking about. I reminded her to watch out and that most people were there to have a good time and relax, but some were not. On the way to the airport, we went through the checklist. We as parents want to make sure our children have what they need. I watched her silhouette disappear into the doorway, and then it was completely dark.”

Just a few days later, when Natalee was supposed to return home from the trip, Holloway received a phone call that would haunt her the rest of her life.

“I got the call that all mothers and fathers fear,” she said. “Natalee never showed up at the airport when it was time to leave. She was always a dependable person. She’d often show up early, but she was never late.”

What followed was an immediate trip to Aruba and an exhaustive search for Holloway’s daughter.

Holloway said she found Natalee’s passport and bags in her Holiday Inn room, giving her hope she could be found alive somewhere on the island.

Natalee had been seen leaving a local night club with then 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot and his friends, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

According to Holloway, van der Sloot told the kids he was 19, one of many lies he would be caught in before and during the investigation.

Natalee’s friends indicated she had gotten into a gray Honda car with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, and eyewitnesses identified the car on van der Sloot’s property.

Unfortunately, Holloway said, local police were uncooperative and van der Sloot gave a false account of what had happened that night.

“He told us in graphic detail the sexual things he engaged in with (Natalee) in the back seat of that car,” she said. “But he said he didn’t know where she was.

He vividly described how he dropped her off at the hotel, she got out, hit her head, stumbled and went inside.”

After a hotel employee showed Holloway and authorities a security tape of the lobby that night, however, it became clear van der Sloot’s story was a fabrication.

Van der Sloot later confessed on tape to an undercover journalist that he had been with Natalee when she suffered a seizure, and he had dumped her body at sea.

For Holloway, it helped make the picture of Natalee’s disappearance a bit more clear.

“She was escorted by Joran and some friends into a car, was given a date rape drug of some kind, suffered the seizure Joran spoke of, then her body was dumped,” she said.

Van der Sloot was recently arrested and charged with the May 30 murder of Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru, a crime he to which he confessed responsibility.

According to the Associated Press, van der Sloot also told Peruvian authorities he knows where Natalee’s body is located.

The murder of Flores came on the fifth anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance.

While she didn’t comment on the recent developments, Holloway told the students at Saturday’s meeting to take their safety into their own hands.

“It’s too late for Natalee, it’s too late for me, but it’s not too late for you,” she said. “The best thing I can do to honor her is bring up safety issues to people like you. Don’t go with someone you don’t know, don’t leave your beverage unattended, and don’t put yourself in the position to five up your free will in a situation where you can’t defend yourself.”

Holloway said Natalee had “a false sense of security” because she was surrounded by friends in a crowded bar.

For the students in attendance, many of whom are near graduation themselves, Holloway said they need to be aware in all social settings of the dangers that are present.

“It’s now your responsibility to look out for yourself,” she said. “Whether traveling to the mall or out of the country, you’re the only one that can protect yourself from dangerous situations.”

She added that her newfound life purpose is to help other teens avoid situations like Natalee’s.

“The hope and memories she gave me fill my life every day,” she said.

[klaasend]

Likely a repost:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_73827.php

OM Aruba wants to speak with Peruvian authorities
11 Jun, 2010, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — The Public Prosecutor (OM) on Aruba would like to speak with the Peruvian authorities about statements made by Joran van de Sloot (22) with regard to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005.

The OM has learned through the media that Joran is prepared to provide information on Natalee. However, prior to sending ‘one or two persons to Peru’, the OM would appreciate official confirmation on such, Solicitor General Taco Stein said before this newspaper this morning. “We are making frantic efforts to get in touch with them – however, until now without avail.”

Joran, who is suspected of the murder of the 21-year old Stephany Flores, is in custody in Lima, Peru. International media report he told his interrogators he had information on the location of Holloway’s body. However, he supposedly only wants to pass this information on to the Aruban authorities.

The confession, which Joran made earlier this week on his involvement with the murder of Flores, possibly could not be used in the lawsuit. His Peruvian lawyer Maximo Altez, who made an appeal with the judge to have the confession declared inadmissible, stated this. The fact is there supposedly was not lawyer present during the interrogation. The term on which the police investigation should be finalized, and Joran to be officially charged, expires tomorrow. Based on the charge, a judge is to decide whether there will be a trial.

Press
The renewed attention for the Holloway-case gives the American press reason to travel to Aruba again. For instance, a correspondent from CNN has arrived and producers of the NBC-program Dateline are present as well. The Dutch media has not been spotted as yet. The American media are mainly interested in an interview with Joran’s mother, Anita van der Sloot. She is currently on the island and not in Peru – as previously suggested. Last night she attended the party organized by the Aruba International Film Festival in the Marriot Hotel. In the meantime, a former girlfriend of Joran is supposedly seeking publicity as well. She has kept a diary on her relationship with Joran, just before he met Natalee. American media are supposedly interested in the diary and are willing to pay for this.

The media-attention for the case also remains unabatedly high in Peru. Security images of Joran in the hotel where Flores was murdered are being circulated again. These images show that – after Joran had met the female – he leaves the hotel room holding two coffee cups. He closes the door, walks away and then goes back. He creates the impression he’s forgotten his key and half-heartedly knocks on the door. In the meantime, he looks around and casts a glance at the security camera. Joran then walks away and returns several minutes later with a hotel co-worker who opens the door of the hotel room for him. The presumption is that Flores was already dead at that moment.

[seemeatthebeach]

I just started watching the next part of Stephany's father's TV interview.
He said Joran had his computer plugged into cigarette lighter in the car enroute to chile.
I can't tell if means Joran was tweeting that HE died in Chile or if he was reading that he was found dead in Chile.
(remember the fake suicide rumors that started when the manhunt was on)
So did he want people to think he was dead. I wonder if he stole an ID from someone. I can't think he could use Stephany's being male.
None of her stolen jewelery has been recovered at time of this interview.
He needed several drivers, so they could rotate driving for the many hour ride. There were originally 3 other taxi drivers, but one of theme could not cross border, because something wrong with his ID.

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/4rsl79S6Zog

[Miss Lacey]

Oh, good grief; is Glenda maligning a dead girl now?  What did she think--that Stephany was leaving drug wrappers in her car so that when they were found, after she was dead, that people wouldn't think she willingly went to a room with a stranger...I'll be back in a few minutes.

The suggestion was that going back to a man's room at that hour of the morning means there was something wrong with her character. That Stefany shared some responsibility for what happened.

We've seen this before, so she's right on cue for beginning to smear the victim.

DEEPAK KALPOE:

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one. Would go in a car with three strange guys and her mother claiming her to be the goody two shoes. Enough of the BS already.”

I can't believe that imbecile could say something so...well, imbecilic. In some countries if a female goes out with her face uncovered, she's considered a slut. So I guess that would make it okay to kill her?

I don't think Natalee's outfit was slutty at all.

[Red]

Just a heads up for The Dana Pretzer Show tonight at 9 pm et

Tonights Guests:

Dr Clint Van Zandt - On The FBI and Joran Vandersloot Extortion Case
Author Diane Fanning on the Steve Nodine Case Murder and The Politician l
WKRG TV Reporter Jessica Taloney on the Steve Nodine Case
Robin Sax on The Joran Vandersloot Confession


Also trying to lock down Paul Reynolds, Natalee Holloway's uncle

You also never know, RED might be voicing a rant or two as well.

Red,
You won't even be tempted to gloat just a little bit, will you?  LOL!  I just find myself smiling every time I think of Joran in Castro Castro.
.

Me gloat, NEVAH!
I always knew that we would get vindication one day becaue I knew that JVDS was more than just a one time killer.
There was something just seriously off with him. No normal kid acts like he did and continuously wanted back in the media after he had been provided a get out of prison free card by Papa Sloot and the Aruban powers that be.

I knew he would kill again ... just did not think it would be so quick.
What is just amazing from this sick SOB is that focus that he fixated on the death of NH and the comments he made to FBI sting regarding the 5 year annivwersary.

This POS is exactly were he belongs and I cannot wait until he is put in general population. There should be no special treatment for this killer.

[canoworms]

Hi Texasmom

Red,
Personally ( and it will take some time for me to get used to all the new features...groan, I'm a dinosaur) I would think letting JVDS rot in prison is exactly what the Hague and Aruba wants. they know the liar he is and it served them well...they just let him dig his own grave. The Sloot connection ( isn't there a "higher up" at the UN who is somehow related? Na done who was infucted into the Order of the Garter or somesuch along with the ARUBAN Slugger (literal)?
anyway, too many favors are owwed on the island and Paulus' bets were called in. Joran was the payment.

[canoworms]

infucted should read INDUCTED but in this case it means the same thing...LOLOLOLOLOL

[nonesuche]

Very good picture of Beth as she spoke in Troy, Alabama yesterday to a group of students at the Lion's Club of Alabama High School Leadership Forum-also, gist of what she described happened to Natalee and her advice:


http://www2.dothaneagle.com/dea/news/local/article/holloway_describes_daughters_abduction_urges_teens_to_be_cautious/1595

Thanks for providing that link Ono.

Beth states - “The hope and memories she gave me fill my life every day,” she said."

Aruba can never defeat Beth or completely steal her daughter from her, but then the likes of the legion involved in the cover-up and the perpetrators, can't understand or even fathom that type of relationship with a child.

Exactly Nonesuche!  They don't have a clue.

texasmom, thank you for all you've contributed. You and several others along with the SM mods and Red have been the backbone of this thread for years.