Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[cecilita]

This may be the video.  It is 17 minutes long and looks to be a compilation of this last week.  I am at 7 minutes and there is footage on here I have not seen before

Click "Ver Video" beside:
La muerte de Stephany Flores

http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/reporte_semanal.php

Thanks! Watching now.

It is not the video the article was referencing, but it is a very good video.

True!

EURobert just posted the right video.

Just saw that.  Thank you EURobert.  What a nice sink he has in his room , retro malaria maybe.  I hope the rats come to visit him and his blankie at night to help clean those crusty drawers he is still wearing.

LOL But I'm afraid - for him - that's not only his sink; could be his 'jurinal' and poo box too!

I didn't see a sink, but if so, I bet the other prisoners will be pissed to find out he has access to running water when they barely get any.

yes it shows a nasty sink and the hole in the floor right below the sink is his toilette

[EURobert]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

OMG He has to sit on the floor to get rid of his 'brown big ones'. OMG!!!

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

That's his other card...I don't belong in prison, I'm sick I need to be hospitalized.  No idea what the mental institutes are like in Peru, but something tells me they may not be what he's thinking about in the Netherlands.

Remember his hobby...criminal law.

Good thought Texasmom..

[Ono]

Very good picture of Beth as she spoke in Troy, Alabama yesterday to a group of students at the Lion's Club of Alabama High School Leadership Forum-also, gist of what she described happened to Natalee and her advice:


http://www2.dothaneagle.com/dea/news/local/article/holloway_describes_daughters_abduction_urges_teens_to_be_cautious/1595

http://www2.dothaneagle.com/dea/news/local/article/holloway_describes_daughters_abduction_urges_teens_to_be_cautious/159510/

Holloway describes daughter’s abduction, urges teens to be cautious

Max Oden / moden@dothaneagle.com



Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, speaks to a group of students during a leadership forum Saturday afternoon at Troy University.

By GREG PHILLIPS

Published: June 12, 2010
Updated: June 12, 2010

TROY—From even the most painful tragedies, lessons can be learned.

Beth Holloway is a living example.

Speaking to a group of students at the Lions Club of Alabama High School Leadership Forum in Troy Saturday afternoon, Holloway discussed the graphic details of her daughter’s 2005 disappearance.

“My daughter, Natalee, would be 23, and she had big plans out of high school like you all,” Holloway said. “What happened to my family could happen to anyone in this room. Any of you could be my child, and your parents could be me.”

Natalee, a graduate from Mountain Brook High School near Birmingham, disappeared on May 30, 2005, on the last day of her high school graduation trip to Aruba.

Holloway vividly remembers the days leading up to the trip and the final hours she spent with her daughter, including the discussions the two had regarding safety.

“She was of legal age to be in the night clubs there, (so) I reminded her to be careful,” Holloway recalled. “Before Natalee left, we discussed certain issues that I was thinking about. I reminded her to watch out and that most people were there to have a good time and relax, but some were not. On the way to the airport, we went through the checklist. We as parents want to make sure our children have what they need. I watched her silhouette disappear into the doorway, and then it was completely dark.”

Just a few days later, when Natalee was supposed to return home from the trip, Holloway received a phone call that would haunt her the rest of her life.

“I got the call that all mothers and fathers fear,” she said. “Natalee never showed up at the airport when it was time to leave. She was always a dependable person. She’d often show up early, but she was never late.”

What followed was an immediate trip to Aruba and an exhaustive search for Holloway’s daughter.

Holloway said she found Natalee’s passport and bags in her Holiday Inn room, giving her hope she could be found alive somewhere on the island.

Natalee had been seen leaving a local night club with then 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot and his friends, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

According to Holloway, van der Sloot told the kids he was 19, one of many lies he would be caught in before and during the investigation.

Natalee’s friends indicated she had gotten into a gray Honda car with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, and eyewitnesses identified the car on van der Sloot’s property.

Unfortunately, Holloway said, local police were uncooperative and van der Sloot gave a false account of what had happened that night.

“He told us in graphic detail the sexual things he engaged in with (Natalee) in the back seat of that car,” she said. “But he said he didn’t know where she was.

He vividly described how he dropped her off at the hotel, she got out, hit her head, stumbled and went inside.”

After a hotel employee showed Holloway and authorities a security tape of the lobby that night, however, it became clear van der Sloot’s story was a fabrication.

Van der Sloot later confessed on tape to an undercover journalist that he had been with Natalee when she suffered a seizure, and he had dumped her body at sea.

For Holloway, it helped make the picture of Natalee’s disappearance a bit more clear.

“She was escorted by Joran and some friends into a car, was given a date rape drug of some kind, suffered the seizure Joran spoke of, then her body was dumped,” she said.

Van der Sloot was recently arrested and charged with the May 30 murder of Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru, a crime he to which he confessed responsibility.

According to the Associated Press, van der Sloot also told Peruvian authorities he knows where Natalee’s body is located.

The murder of Flores came on the fifth anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance.

While she didn’t comment on the recent developments, Holloway told the students at Saturday’s meeting to take their safety into their own hands.

“It’s too late for Natalee, it’s too late for me, but it’s not too late for you,” she said. “The best thing I can do to honor her is bring up safety issues to people like you. Don’t go with someone you don’t know, don’t leave your beverage unattended, and don’t put yourself in the position to five up your free will in a situation where you can’t defend yourself.”

Holloway said Natalee had “a false sense of security” because she was surrounded by friends in a crowded bar.

For the students in attendance, many of whom are near graduation themselves, Holloway said they need to be aware in all social settings of the dangers that are present.

“It’s now your responsibility to look out for yourself,” she said. “Whether traveling to the mall or out of the country, you’re the only one that can protect yourself from dangerous situations.”

She added that her newfound life purpose is to help other teens avoid situations like Natalee’s.

“The hope and memories she gave me fill my life every day,” she said.

Thanks texasmom!

[MsVada]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/1498394/A-party-every-weekend-at-Dutch-prison.html

Well I don't think we want to see him to to the Netherlands to prison either.  IMHO, its just as soft as Aruba

[klaasend]

Joran's sink

[carpe noctem]

If Aruba had only

Van der sloot Acted him.

They need to write it in to law.

[texasmom]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

Yes, and he always has. If Paul and Anita gave a .... -  If Aruba had done something.

If, If, If ...

IF doesn`t mean crap to the Flores family now. It`s too late.

I agree Carpe.  I'm sure they can't even bear to think about the what if's.  It won't bring their daughter back.

[Miss Lacey]

Joran speaks spanish rather well.

For the last 5 years I remember it being said Joran speaks at least 4 languages.

Dutch
English
Spanish
Pap

So sad he couldn't have used his knowledge and intelligence for good.

[MisGivings]

Thanks EURobert!

I uploaded the video of Joran arriving at Castro Castro to photobucket and I'm uploading also to Youtube.  Click on the photo below if you still need to see the video:



Here are a couple of screen caps:

Thanks Klaas for the mugshot!!

Interesting;

The murderer confessed cell measuring three by eight feet, with a laundry, a silo and a mattress, although he preferred to sleep on the floor. It was reviewed by doctors at INPE. Your card number is 326 390. He can speak Spanish and does not need a translator.

"I am suspected of murder," he told reporters when asked about the program. After he refused to answer more questions.

WITH SICARIO
In one image, we see that the Trujillo Alejandro Ospina Colombian hit man, alleged murderer of Jewish businesswoman Myriam Fefer, enters the cell of Joran van der Sloot. Immediately, Trujillo Ospina was whisked away.

Van der Sloot said he was sick in the head and had not tasted food in two days.

[Tamikosmom]

Oh, good grief; is Glenda maligning a dead girl now?  What did she think--that Stephany was leaving drug wrappers in her car so that when they were found, after she was dead, that people wouldn't think she willingly went to a room with a stranger...I'll be back in a few minutes.

The suggestion was that going back to a man's room at that hour of the morning means there was something wrong with her character. That Stefany shared some responsibility for what happened.

We've seen this before, so she's right on cue for beginning to smear the victim.

DEEPAK KALPOE:

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one. Would go in a car with three strange guys and her mother claiming her to be the goody two shoes. Enough of the BS already.”

I can't believe that imbecile could say something so...well, imbecilic. In some countries if a female goes out with her face uncovered, she's considered a slut. So I guess that would make it okay to kill her?

I don't think Natalee's outfit was slutty at all.

The Kalpoes come from a patriarchial culture where women are expected to cover up and only go out escorted by a male member of the family. Every woman who doesn't follow these rules are whores and should be raped according to the culture.
The Kalpoes don't have to show remorse because Natalie didn't follow their culture. According to their beliefs Natalie deserved to be raped and killed.
I could go further into Sharia Law to explain this behavior but it's not necessary. There are alot of apologists from the Netherlands that bow to this culture and participate in human trafficking. Joran took advantage of these types and lived a very dark short life.

jjayinthemorning

You are alluding to the followers of Islam.  The Kalpoes are not Muslim.

Janet

+++++

Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
June 23, 2005

She (Nadira Ramirez ) described her family as a close and traditional Hindu group and said both sons are "good boys." Satish does not drink, she said, and while Deepak drinks occasionally, neither youth takes drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


Paul Van Der Sloot Arrested
June 23, 2005

The Kalpoe brother's mother visited Satish in prison for the first time Tuesday. And she says he admitted lying to her. She describes her sons as two, good Hindu boys. Who share a love of TV wrestling shows, Indian movies and the Internet. She said, Satish and Deepak prayed every morning with the rest of the family, in front of this Hindu shrine in a room at their home and rarely partied.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/asb.01.html

[Angiex911dsptchr]

He is so worried about the food.  I am assuming foreign objects or poison as opposed to a little deification or urination which would not kill him.    An extra dose of iron is not going to hurt him.  He just needs to think of it as finding the prize in a cracker jack box.

Off to see how warm the pool is . It is already 18c here (65F) and is supposed to get to 71 today which is way too hot for us.  Can not even imagine what Anna is dealing with at over 100 degrees when we start melting at 70 lol.  My air conditioner is already running.

 I had to go back and find your post !!
Hmmm.. I been wondering why hes worried about the food too.. and now saying hes sick in the head,,


Just wondering if he may start acting like a paranoid schizophrenic..thinking his food is being poisoned so he can go to some mental hospital insetad?

Sorry.. just thinking out loud here and know Schizos have a fear of things being put into their food.

[Frijole]

Joran's sink

Note there is not running water / plumbing... so I assume they bring him a bucket with retched rusty brown stuff to wash with every now and then.  Nice.

[texasmom]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/1498394/A-party-every-weekend-at-Dutch-prison.html

Well I don't think we want to see him to to the Netherlands to prison either.  IMHO, its just as soft as Aruba

I agree, and I've been told the prisons in the Netherlands are like five star hotels compared with Peru.

He's right where he belongs.

[MisGivings]

Joran's sink

Note there is not running water / plumbing... so I assume they bring him a bucket with retched rusty brown stuff to wash with every now and then.  Nice.

Well, he could always pee in it and wash his clothes in that. Then Joran can smell like urine instead.
(get it?)

[sharon]

Around here (South Florida), headache = dolor de la cabeza.

Pain in the head.

I've not heard it referred to as 'mal'.

But maybe it's different here.

[515angel]

Assuming he gets 35 years:

365 x 35 = 12,775 days

2 down, 12,773 to go.


Tick tock.

All reports I've seen on shows like NG, and JVM say you get double time for time served in Peru..2 days toward  the sentence for every one. So his sentence is virtually cut in half. Let's hope he gets the highest number of years possible and  he actually lives through it so the US can extradited him when he's done and he can serve time here.

[Ono]

Yes... It's Jurine! And it's Castro Castro!

<a href="http://elcomercio.pe/player/494308" target="_blank">http://elcomercio.pe/player/494308</a>

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494308/vea-primeros-minutos-joran-van-der-sloot-carcel

Bad boys bad boys
Watcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
when they come for you
Bad boys, bad boys
Watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do
when they come for you

WOW ...

[Scatty]

Tisk, Tisk, poor Joran complains of a headache.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcA4I77Eq5I

The youtube poster's channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/PerucomPeru

[Monken]

Geraldo on Foxnews coming up: an interesting new piece of evidence!!!!