Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[jjayinthemorning]

Oh, good grief; is Glenda maligning a dead girl now?  What did she think--that Stephany was leaving drug wrappers in her car so that when they were found, after she was dead, that people wouldn't think she willingly went to a room with a stranger...I'll be back in a few minutes.

The suggestion was that going back to a man's room at that hour of the morning means there was something wrong with her character. That Stefany shared some responsibility for what happened.

We've seen this before, so she's right on cue for beginning to smear the victim.

DEEPAK KALPOE:

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one. Would go in a car with three strange guys and her mother claiming her to be the goody two shoes. Enough of the BS already.”

I can't believe that imbecile could say something so...well, imbecilic. In some countries if a female goes out with her face uncovered, she's considered a slut. So I guess that would make it okay to kill her?

I don't think Natalee's outfit was slutty at all.

The Kalpoes come from a patriarchial culture where women are expected to cover up and only go out escorted by a male member of the family. Every woman who doesn't follow these rules are whores and should be raped according to the culture.
The Kalpoes don't have to show remorse because Natalie didn't follow their culture. According to their beliefs Natalie deserved to be raped and killed.
I could go further into Sharia Law to explain this behavior but it's not necessary. There are alot of apologists from the Netherlands that bow to this culture and participate in human trafficking. Joran took advantage of these types and lived a very dark short life.

jjayinthemorning

You are alluding to the followers of Islam.  The Kalpoes are not Muslim.

Janet

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Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
June 23, 2005

She (Nadira Ramirez ) described her family as a close and traditional Hindu group and said both sons are "good boys." Satish does not drink, she said, and while Deepak drinks occasionally, neither youth takes drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


Paul Van Der Sloot Arrested
June 23, 2005

The Kalpoe brother's mother visited Satish in prison for the first time Tuesday. And she says he admitted lying to her. She describes her sons as two, good Hindu boys. Who share a love of TV wrestling shows, Indian movies and the Internet. She said, Satish and Deepak prayed every morning with the rest of the family, in front of this Hindu shrine in a room at their home and rarely partied.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/asb.01.html

I only said they come from a patriarchial culture.
They know Islam, yes, which is more oppressing to women.
Women need to be aware of cultures as well as predators.

[carpe noctem]

All he needs now is some moe-rockas! lol

[texasmom]

He is so worried about the food.  I am assuming foreign objects or poison as opposed to a little deification or urination which would not kill him.    An extra dose of iron is not going to hurt him.  He just needs to think of it as finding the prize in a cracker jack box.

Off to see how warm the pool is . It is already 18c here (65F) and is supposed to get to 71 today which is way too hot for us.  Can not even imagine what Anna is dealing with at over 100 degrees when we start melting at 70 lol.  My air conditioner is already running.

 I had to go back and find your post !!
Hmmm.. I been wondering why hes worried about the food too.. and now saying hes sick in the head,,


Just wondering if he may start acting like a paranoid schizophrenic..thinking his food is being poisoned so he can go to some mental hospital insetad?

Sorry.. just thinking out loud here and know Schizos have a fear of things being put into their food.

It's been in the press fairly recently in Aruba that Luis Mansur (Domino case) was afraid of being poisoned.

And I think that's what a lot of people in Aruba believe happened to Maiky Farro when he died after being taken to the hospital from KIA.

http://sxmislandtime.com/index.php?view=article&catid=31:general&id=922:aruba-new-arrest-in-embezzlement-case-landlab-&option=com_content&Itemid=58

http://www.diario.aw/2010/02/autopsia-riba-curpa-di-maiky-farro-lo-a-trece-resultadonan-nobo/

[klaasend]

Geraldo on Foxnews coming up: an interesting new piece of evidence!!!!

Thanks for the headsup Monken!  Looks like it's last nights news though.

[Monken]

Geraldo on Foxnews coming up: an interesting new piece of evidence!!!!

That wasn't new!!! I thought they really meant NEW!!!! Whatev

[Monken]

Hey Klaas did you see my post in musings?

[carpe noctem]

There is lots of fear in those eyes.

[Scatty]

Joran's sink

Note there is not running water / plumbing... so I assume they bring him a bucket with retched rusty brown stuff to wash with every now and then.  Nice.

Still too nice for Joran. I want to see some REAL hardship. He don' need no stinkin' sink nor no stinkin' water either. Let him clean himself like cats do.

[cookie]

sorry if this is old news or a repeat..trying to catch up on this thread...what I heard on Geraldo last night that I had not thought of...

when Joran was standing at the door of the room with the coffee...the door was not shut..until he shut it..then he went to get someone to open the door for him..It was suggested that Joran wanted that person to have seen Stephany and then he could have blamed her murder on an intruder while he was out getting the coffee...the guy didn't see Stephany lying there and besides the camera would have shown an intruder...plan foiled...

[akmom]

There is lots of fear in those eyes.

Mommie....I sh&*)t myself......AGAIN  lol 

[Dragnet]

Do we have a picture of him yet sitting in his new "home" with a Snicker's bar in his hand and the caption "Not going anywhere for a while"? 

If not, we need one lol.

[akmom]

Joran's sink

Note there is not running water / plumbing... so I assume they bring him a bucket with retched rusty brown stuff to wash with every now and then.  Nice.

Still too nice for Joran. I want to see some REAL hardship. He don' need no stinkin' sink nor no stinkin' water either. Let him clean himself like cats do.

ACK!!  It is going to take a long time to get that out of my head!!!  LOL

[texasmom]

There is lots of fear in those eyes.

EVIL and CREEPY!

About as bad as that PTO Bingo picture, lol.

[carpe noctem]

That looks good for a sitz bath!

[texasmom]

Frijole!  LMAO

[texasmom]

Frijole!  LMAO

oops...looking back that was Scatty with the clean himself like cats do comment!

Sorry about that!

[Puzzler]

There is lots of fear in those eyes.

Mommie....I sh&*)t myself......AGAIN  lol 

He looks looney to me.

[canoworms]

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WARNING- GRAPHIC- Livor Mortis
I am bringing this up because I referred to it on a blog post, the amphetamines could interfere with the metabolism of her last meal so this too has to be considered. Stephany's body and the green bruises are attributable to LIVOR MORTIS, compression of the body causing blood pooling in areas that are not flush with the floor. The police will try to estimate when she ingested the amphets by establishing her time of death.

To me this also brings up the question of the feet being bruised and where.
She was restrained at the feet, probably by a belt (or perhaps her shoes were on until the end) to prevent her from kicking if she was lucid enough or because VDS thought he was going to fold her up and put her in a suitcase. Rigor Mortis sets in within two hours in the early stage.I think she was in a different position and he repositioned her. If she was face down and her feet were bound they would not be the same color as the largest part of her body in contact with the floor.

If she was on her back for even 20 minutes after death she would have started to turn colors in the places where her body was not constricted.

In any event I think she was beginning to "turn" ( livor mortis starts about 20 minutes after death) while VDS was still in the room and this is why he removed clothing to further confuse the timing of the event. and try to establish a sexual connection or even take pictures of her demise- I am sorry for including this but i feel all bases should be covered.

If he sat around and thought about how he was going to get away within the time frame that took him out of the room prior to 8:30 then he could have been mulling for over 20 minutes. Once he realized that he couldn't remove her body without an extra suitcase, he decided to go with DISCOVERY by hotel worker.

Selena

[klaasend]

Hey Klaas did you see my post in musings?

No, I'll go look now.  I've been tied up in this thread for the last 10 days

[carpe noctem]

From sporting a 7,000 dollar watch...

.... to having to take a dump in a cat pan.

My, have the mighty have fallen.