Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Tamikosmom]

Jun. 13, 2010
Van Der Sloot Told Chile Police Thief Killed Woman
Chilean Police: Van Der Sloot Initially Said Unidentified Intruder Killed Woman In Peru Hotel

(AP)  LIMA, Peru (AP) - Joran van der Sloot told police in Chile that it was an unidentified robber who beat a young woman to death in his hotel room, a killing for which the Dutchman has been charged with murder in Peru.

Peruvian police say Van der Sloot, long suspected in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, has confessed to killing 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores on May 30 after they met playing poker.

But according to a Chilean police report obtained by The Associated Press through Peruvian authorities late Saturday, Van der Sloot gave a different account of events while in custody in neighboring Chile, where he was captured after the killing and quickly extradited.

In the version offered to Chilean investigators, Van der Sloot said he and Flores were surprised in the early morning by two robbers in an apparent assault.

"A man came out of the bathroom blocking the access door with a knife in his hand. On the bed was another man with a gun," the Spanish-language report quotes him as saying. "The man with the knife said to be quiet, but Stephany began talking in a loud voice and he hit her in the face, making her nose bleed."

It also says Van der Sloot told Chilean agents that the previous day, he and Flores had been extorted by apparent police officers who demanded $4,000 and a wristwatch he brought from Thailand.

Chilean police told their Peruvian colleagues that the 22-year-old Dutchman responded in English to their questioning but refused to sign a declaration after learning he would be expelled to Peru.

On Friday, a Peruvian judge ordered Van der Sloot jailed on first-degree murder and robbery charges.

Police in Peru say he confessed to beating Flores to death after she learned details of the Holloway case from his laptop. He allegedly broke her nose, strangled her, threw her to the floor, then emptied her wallet and drove away in her SUV, said Gen. Cesar Guardia, chief of the criminal police. He then traveled south to Chile by bus.

If convicted on the murder and robbery charges, Van der Sloot could get 15 to 35 years in prison.

Van der Sloot's newly hired Peruvian attorney, Maximo Altez, has asked the judge to declare his client's confession void on the grounds it was made in the presence of a defense lawyer appointed by police.

Van der Sloot remains the lone suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba.

Peru's criminal police chief said recently that Van der Sloot told interrogators he knows where Holloway's body is, but Aruba's attorney general said Friday he is skeptical Van der Sloot was telling the truth.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/13/ap/latinamerica/main6577895.shtml
 

[klaasend]

Youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-H_18WqdLo

[Northern Rose]

When they asked for his occupation he replied "I have a business", not sure what he thinks he will accomplish by lieing in jail but the correct answer is "I am a psychopathic murderer of young woman".   

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Thanks EURobert!

I uploaded the video of Joran arriving at Castro Castro to photobucket and I'm uploading also to Youtube.  Click on the photo below if you still need to see the video:



Here are a couple of screen caps:

Thanks Klaas for the mugshot!!

[cecilita]

I must admit that I am a little disappointed with Joran's cell.

I was hoping for much worse!  It's not nearly bad enough and they were treating him very civilly, like he is a human being or something.  He need in the beneral population rather quickly.  Note he says he is bad in the head.  Not a headache but just "bad"!

I hope things get a lot worse for him.  Although it does seem he has lost his appetite.

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unfortunately because he is a high profile he will always be separate from the others. They want him alive

[MisGivings]

I just started watching the next part of Stephany's father's TV interview.
He said Joran had his computer plugged into cigarette lighter in the car enroute to chile.
I can't tell if means Joran was tweeting that HE died in Chile or if he was reading that he was found dead in Chile.
(remember the fake suicide rumors that started when the manhunt was on)
So did he want people to think he was dead. I wonder if he stole an ID from someone. I can't think he could use Stephany's being male.
None of her stolen jewelery has been recovered at time of this interview.
He needed several drivers, so they could rotate driving for the many hour ride. There were originally 3 other taxi drivers, but one of theme could not cross border, because something wrong with his ID.

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/4rsl79S6Zog

More on his confession;

took a bus to antofagasta and a plane to santiago
spent the night drinking with a guy. he went to his house and spent the night because he was too drunk to go back to his hotel. he saw his picture on the front page of a paper. then decided to turn himself in.

he says he came in to peru with 25000 which
he did not declare. said he got part of it from uri geller who is doing a show on internet fraud. he won six thousand in aruba and got the money for jqk. confusing.

the taxi guys wanted 1500 us which he agreed to pay even though he had only 500 on him. He promised to get some more via western union but ended up giving them his stuff including some valuable watches. he says he took stephany's money but that she had not won that night.

she had $850 soles in her wallet
and three credit cards. he took it all. no jewelry.

he killed her implusively
because he had hit her and was afraid she would report him to the police and he would be arrested. he was not thinking.

suffocated her with shirt he was wearing at casino

did not use a weapon (tennis racket)

they ask if he wants to add anything.

he says he wants to talk to the arubans about the holloway case. he wants them to close this case so he can be extradited to aruba to deal with that.

He states Stephany fell backwards after he elbowed her face and her head smashed against the wall
also that he doesnt know why but he took off her pants and shoes

#38 states Stephany had amphetamines in her body...Joran was asked if he gave her any in a drink and Joran replied "no"

[cecilita]

When they asked for his occupation he replied "I have a business", not sure what he thinks he will accomplish by lieing in jail but the correct answer is "I am a psychopathic murderer of young woman".   

[wingnut]

Assuming he gets 35 years:

365 x 35 = 12,775 days

2 down, 12,773 to go.


Tick tock.

[EURobert]

This may be the video.  It is 17 minutes long and looks to be a compilation of this last week.  I am at 7 minutes and there is footage on here I have not seen before

Click "Ver Video" beside:
La muerte de Stephany Flores

http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/reporte_semanal.php

Thanks! Watching now.

It is not the video the article was referencing, but it is a very good video.

True!

EURobert just posted the right video.

Just saw that.  Thank you EURobert.  What a nice sink he has in his room , retro malaria maybe.  I hope the rats come to visit him and his blankie at night to help clean those crusty drawers he is still wearing.

LOL But I'm afraid - for him - that's not only his sink; could be his 'jurinal' and poo box too!

[Northern Rose]

He is so worried about the food.  I am assuming foreign objects or poison as opposed to a little deification or urination which would not kill him.    An extra dose of iron is not going to hurt him.  He just needs to think of it as finding the prize in a cracker jack box.

Off to see how warm the pool is . It is already 18c here (65F) and is supposed to get to 71 today which is way too hot for us.  Can not even imagine what Anna is dealing with at over 100 degrees when we start melting at 70 lol.  My air conditioner is already running.

[Red]

Joran Van der Sloot Fears for His Life in Peruvian Prison … Woman of the World Feel Safer

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/13/joran-van-der-sloot-fears-for-his-life-in-peruvian-prison-woman-of-the-world-feel-safer/

I think that the world comes down on the side of the woman of the world feeling safer, not a killer. He had the world by the balls. JVDS got away with murder and still he flaunted it in the face of Natalee's family at every opportunity. What non-sociopath would not just consider themself luck and melt away into society. Not JVDS, he had to be in the public eye and continued to incriminate himself and confess to Natalee's death.

That was until he became a "Sporter too Far ..."

Poetic justice and the life and killings of Joran Van der Sloot.

Joran Van der Sloot supposedly fears for his life in the maximum security Castro Castro Peruvian prison, well it is about time he fears something … let it be a caracter builder for him.  

It has been an amazing and fitting turn of events for Joran Van der Sloot in the past month. Joran Van der Sloot went from continually torturing the family on the 5th anniversary of slain Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005 by trying to extort money from them for information to the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru to being charged with first degree murder and robbery and incarcerated in a Peruvian prison

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Joran Van der Sloot claims he fears for his life in the Peruvian prison; however, woman of the world feel much safer now that this sociopath is behind bars and facing murder charges.Shouldn’t we care more about the world public safety that Joran Van der Sloot? Aruba gave this POS a get out of prison free card and emboldened him to kill again as he saw there were no consequences to his crime. Now thanks to Aruba and all those who helped Joran skate, he has killed again. The worst part about it is that Aruba did not relegate Joran’sacts to their own island, they inflicted this sociopath on the world to do as he pleased.

[canoworms]

Klaas, looks like we will have to speak the same five languages to sort this all out
Anna,..Joran had a little tummy in the vid when he takes off his shirt, so he isn't exactly starving. Rice and beans, know what I mean. He will manage to keep weight on until he gets ill from the water.

If he's going to be here for 4/5 more months he will be sleeping in increasingly cooler weather,and who knows what conditions he will be housed in next.
Selena

[Dragnet]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

[Frijole]

LOL at that video.  So nice to be able to watch it on film from the palace of justice to his very own cozy cell.  Thanks for posting it. 

At the end in his cell when they were asking him questions - they asked about his health again... I loved it when he said his head hurt or being sick in the head.  Suppose he is going to start pretending to be insane?  LOL 

POS punk always thought he was better than everyone else and above the law.  To see where he has to sleep, his hole in the floor for a bathroom and that disgusting sink makes me confident that as he sits there in solitary for 5 mos. or so he will have plenty of time to reflect.  No, he won't ever come to his senses... but surely it will drive him crazy.  And that is fine with me.

[cecilita]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

I think that he said that he had headache

[MisGivings]

This may be the video.  It is 17 minutes long and looks to be a compilation of this last week.  I am at 7 minutes and there is footage on here I have not seen before

Click "Ver Video" beside:
La muerte de Stephany Flores

http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/reporte_semanal.php

Thanks! Watching now.

It is not the video the article was referencing, but it is a very good video.

True!

EURobert just posted the right video.

Just saw that.  Thank you EURobert.  What a nice sink he has in his room , retro malaria maybe.  I hope the rats come to visit him and his blankie at night to help clean those crusty drawers he is still wearing.

LOL But I'm afraid - for him - that's not only his sink; could be his 'jurinal' and poo box too!

I didn't see a sink, but if so, I bet the other prisoners will be pissed to find out he has access to running water when they barely get any.

[carpe noctem]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

Yes, and he always has. If Paul and Anita gave a .... -  If Aruba had done something.

If, If, If ...

IF doesn`t mean crap to the Flores family now. It`s too late.

[texasmom]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

That's his other card...I don't belong in prison, I'm sick I need to be hospitalized.  No idea what the mental institutes are like in Peru, but something tells me they may not be what he's thinking about in the Netherlands.

Remember his hobby...criminal law.

[MisGivings]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

I think that he said that he had headache

Must be a bitch having to go without pot, cigarettes, and cocaine.

[Ono]

This may be the video.  It is 17 minutes long and looks to be a compilation of this last week.  I am at 7 minutes and there is footage on here I have not seen before

Click "Ver Video" beside:
La muerte de Stephany Flores

http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/reporte_semanal.php

Thanks-They did a thorough job-well worth viewing the entire 23 minutes.  Weeping here for the Flores family.  God bless the Peruvians.